Round 5 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting

[fenix2011]

Notes!
- 4 x bonewall
Expensive to run and we don't have other death cards (except for our designated-for-rainbow cards).
We can either put it down to convert... OR we take mummies/pillars from FENIX salvage and make a light/death
Alternatively, from this salvage we can take arsenics for more rainbow-stock...
- 4 x Deja
Our Luce's and hope are up for being discarded... most likely this makes these cards useless now.. Guess we convert
- 8 x Icebolt
Probably can convert 2..
- 4 x flying weapon
No need for this - we can convert - I dont think we have the MS's available to make use of it..


We did some maths.. I'll try to make this clear.
- We need 270 cards to field 9 decks. of that 135 must be light.
- If we FULL DISCARD the 4 losing decks we have
215 cards - 103 light (thus we need 32 light)
- We CAN convert 12 useless cards to light (so still need MIN 20)
103 + 12 = 115 (need 20 more)
- Counting up our losing decks.. we will keep in hand 38 cards in total
30 deck = 6 cards kept
37 deck = 13 cards kept
34 deck = 10 cards kept
33 deck = 9 cards kept
/\ total = 38 cards
- This means to field 9 LEGAL decks we need to:
a) convert 12 AND keep 20 light cards from our discards
b) convert 2 and keep 30 light cards from our discards
c) We CAN salvage 5 light cards from Kael's deck..

Remembering - this is all for 9x30 card decks... if we increased it above that we'll need more light
At BEST we keep only 15 light from our discards(with Kael's salvage)..
Good(ish) news is we certainly will need to convert because we will have too many useless cards in the vault otherwise - so we can keep some (i.e water?) cards from our losses
This is going to REALLY dictate our decks.. We should probably make these decisions early so we can tweak decks..

[fenix2011]

With this in mind....
Discards
(:Air) Pervepic  2 - 1 Salamence747 (:Light)

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5i4 5i4 5i8 5i8 5i8 5i8 5i8 5i8 5i9 5i9 5jm 5jm 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5lg 5lh 5lh 5li 5li 5li 5li 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq(:Earth) Terroking 2 - 0 xdude (:Light)

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5i4 5i4 5i8 5i8 5i8 5i8 5i8 5i8 5i9 5i9 5jm 5jm 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5lg 5lh 5lh 5li 5li 5li 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 7gk 7gk 7i6 7i6 7jo 7la(:Aether) Toimu13 2 - 1 suxerz (:Light)

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4vg 4vg 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vl 5l8 5l8 5l8 5la 5la 5la 5la 5la 5la 5li 5li 5li 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq(:Earth) Legit 2 - 0 asymmetry (:Light)

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5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5la 5li 5li 5lj 5lj 5lj 5lj 5lj 5lk 5lk 5lk 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 61o 61o 61q 61q 61q 61q 622 622 622 622KEEP (discard the rest)
Almost certain..
4 x MS
7 x Golden Dragons
3 x Light Pillar
3 x Light Pend
6 x Miracle
2 x IceShield
2 x Water Pend
6 x Icebolt
4 x Water Pillar
1 x Reflective Shield

(see water deck in decks section)
(Kept 24 light cards.. salvage 3 miracles from Kael.. 27)
(Means we convert MIN 7 cards.. or convert 12 and have decks that aren't 30 flat)

(:Air) Pervepic  2 - 1 Salamence747 (:Light) (9 keep)
2 x Morning Star
2 x IceShield
2 x Water Pend
3 x Miracle

2 x Water Pillar ??
6 x IceBolt ??
2 x Ice Shield??
2 x Water Pend??
5 x Light Pillar??
1 x Reflective Shield??
4 x Miracle??
9 x Light Pend ??

(:Earth) Terroking 2 - 0 xdude (:Light) (13 keep)
2 x Morning Star
6 x Icebolt
4 x Water Pillar
1 x Reflective Shield

4 x Water Pillar??
2 x Water Pend??
6 x IceBolt??
2 x Ice Shield??
2 x Water Pend??
1 x Reflective Shield??
3 x Miracle??
10 x Light Pend??
5 x Light Pillar??

(:Aether) Toimu13 2 - 1 suxerz (:Light) (6 keep)
6 x Golden Dragons (we need damage)

(:Earth) Legit 2 - 0 asymmetry (:Light) (10 keep)
1 x Golden Dragon
3 x Miracle
3 x Light Pillar
3 x Light Pend


AND We  take 1 Vampire Still and 2 sundials (for immo/rainbow) from Kaels
And take 3 miracles as the other... gives us a few extra discard choices.. I don't see why we need any of kaels other dark cards..

[Wizardcat]

Can we intentionally take too few light cards so that we only have to field eight decks? /idle thought

[fenix2011]

Can we intentionally take too few light cards so that we only have to field eight decks? /idle thought

Thought about that too. Instant lose + a penalty...
Better to make a (legal) suicide deck

Anyway, my take on salvages (leaning heavy towards rainbows, since we will most likely field 3 with immo/nova)
NB: The kael miracles are fairly essential..

Salvages
(:Light) Ryan666 2 - 0 Kael Hate (:Darkness)

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5li 5li 5up 5up 5up 5up 5us 5us 5us 5us 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 7k0 7k2 7k2 7q9 7q9 7tb(:Light) Fenix2011 2 - 1 Mastermind79 (:Death)

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52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52j 52j 52p 52p 52q 52q 52t 52t 52t 542 542 542 542 542 542 542 542 542 61o 61o 61q 61q 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 622 622 622(:Light) implosion 2 - 0 Gl1tch (:Life)

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4vg 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vl 4vl 4vm 4vm 4vn 5c1 5c1 5c1 5c1 5c1 5c1 5c2 5c2 5c4 5c4 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 6u6 6u6 6u6(:Light) Wizardcat 2 - 0 Nadrin (:Life)

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5c2 5c2 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c7 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5up 5up 5up 5uq 5uq 5ur 5ur 5us 5us 5us 5us(:Light) Rastafla 2 - 1 Cebra (:Gravity)

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55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55l 55l 55n 55n 55p 55q 55q 55q 55q 55q 576 576 576 576 576 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rt 5rt 5rt 5rt 5rt(:Light) Ryan666 2 - 0 Kael Hate (:Darkness) (DEFINITE at least for the 3 miracles.. we need light)
3 x Miracle
1 x Vampire Stiletto
2 x Sundial

(:Light) Fenix2011 2 - 1 Mastermind79 (:Death)
(if we go bonewall/mummy deck)
3 x Mummy
3 x Bone Pillar

(:Light) implosion 2 - 0 Gl1tch (:Life)
(so we have 2 nova decks)
6 x Nova

(:Light) Wizardcat 2 - 0 Nadrin (:Life)
(for nova/immo decks)
2 x Vamp Still
2 x Heal
2 x Steal?

(:Light) Rastafla 2 - 1 Cebra (:Gravity)
(For nova/immo decks)
3 x Momentum
3 x Reverse Time

[suxerz]

Fenix, in your discard suggestion, we don't have light pillars in asy's deck and I rather have those photons too. So changing that bit to keep:

4 Light Pendulum
5 Photon
1 Golden Dragon

And I agree on most part of the salvages except I would rather have that flesh spiders - maybe for our rainbow - death based? So, changing that bit to:

3 Mummy
2 Flesh Spiders
1 Arsenic

With the above but not counting any conversion, we'll have this in our vault:
Not sure if it's still enough though... -.-'
38   Light Pendulum
18   Light Pillar
18   Miracle
12   Nova
12   Fire Bolt
12   Morning Star
11   Photon
10   Golden Dragon
8   Burning Pillar
8   Immolation
7   Pegasus
6   Graboid
6   Earthquake
6   Fire Shield
6   Deflagration
6   Rage Potion
6   Phoenix
6   Reflective Shield
6   Water Pillar
6   Ice Bolt
5   Deja Vu
4   Flying Weapon
4   Bone Wall
4   Stone Skin
4   Rain of Fire
4   Heal
4   Holy Light
4   Blessing
4   Reverse Time
4   Sundial
4   Ice Shield
3   Vampire Stiletto
3   Poison
3   Mummy
3   Momentum
2   Fog Shield
2   Steal
2   Flesh Spider
2   Arsenic
2   Chaos Seed
2   Fahrenheit
2   Solar Shield
2   Freeze
1   Lycanthrope
1   Discord

[fenix2011]

126 Light cards..
+ 12 from conversion

138.. JUST legal for 9 decks of 30..
Problem is that each deck must have ONLY 15 light cards..
You took the bone pillars away, without them the mummy/bonewall deck is doomed.. we'd only have 7 death cards.. thats 23 light cards :| or useless cards..

Still, we can work off this - try to make 9 decks..
I can assure you looking at the vault we'll end up wishing we could convert more than 12 we have too many high price cards..
Well - time to get deck building. Not much more can be done until we use your list to make 9 decks..

[Wizardcat]

I feel bad about this situation... All due to the bad Vault I made. :<

Are we/should we be making a suicide deck this round, to increase the quality of the other eight decks?

Also, in terms of Discards, we can afford to dump some Miracles, I think. We'll mostly be using 30-card decks from here on, and at least three of our decks (two nova/light-bows and one immo deck) can't use Miracles effectively.

[suxerz]

Can we intentionally take too few light cards so that we only have to field eight decks? /idle thought

With the new rules (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,13006.msg219544#msg219544), we should consider doing this.

[fenix2011]

I kept the miracles from the water decks simply to replicate the water deck..
I took MS, Dragons and the rest where we could but other than pillar/pend there is not much we CAN take.

But agreed. We can take more pends/pillars and drop some Miracles..

IF we make a suicide deck we lose 30 cards.. we REALLY should be sure we need it before we do..
To get back 30 cards all 8 (other) team members need to win..


@SUX
You switched around my discard from water too??
I wanted to keep some 4 pillars and 2 pends?
And 4 Iceshields seems like overkill.. they're too expensive for nova/immo

Your changes should leave this: (I don't understand your list with 4 ice shields and 6 pillars?)
(:Air) Pervepic  2 - 1 Salamence747 (:Light) (9 keep)
2 x Morning Star
2 x IceShield
2 x Water Pend
3 x Miracle

2 x Water Pillar ??
6 x IceBolt ??
2 x Ice Shield??
2 x Water Pend??
5 x Light Pillar??
1 x Reflective Shield??
4 x Miracle??
9 x Light Pend ??

(:Earth) Terroking 2 - 0 xdude (:Light) (13 keep)
2 x Morning Star
6 x Icebolt
4 x Water Pillar
1 x Reflective Shield

4 x Water Pillar??
2 x Water Pend??
6 x IceBolt??
2 x Ice Shield??
2 x Water Pend??
1 x Reflective Shield??
3 x Miracle??
10 x Light Pend??
5 x Light Pillar??

(:Aether) Toimu13 2 - 1 suxerz (:Light) (6 keep)
6 x Golden Dragons (we need damage)

(:Earth) Legit 2 - 0 asymmetry (:Light) (10 keep)
1 x Golden Dragon
5 x Photon

[fenix2011]

BEST NEWS EVER

SG:
 wavedash is not fighting, so  Fenix2011 (his opponent) gets a bye. I edited the first post to include this information.
 
So we only need to field 8 decks. We should be sweet for that. No suicide for team light!
So 30 cards are safe this round. Epic.

EDIT:

SG:
willng3 from team  gets a bye during this round.
 girlsgeneration will fight  Fenix2011

Woo! Master batlle..

[asymmetry]

Epic indeed, sorry you get a boring round but we'll make it worth.

[Wizardcat]

Actually, Fenix now fights the Master of Gravity.

...

It can be suicide deck time nao?