Round 5 Discussion

[Zyardran]

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/war/war-10-round-5/msg1247115/#msg1247115

For anyone who's even still around, dragons, silver, ARTHA, pls don't leave me here

Will post thoughts later

Discord	Vineroz
ARTHANSIOS	Spielkind
Silver Emerald	Gen. killsdazombies
dragonsdemesne	Gen. worldwideweb3
serprex	UzumakiNaruto

 I don't think WMs care much that gravy duel is same as last round, btw, so no use complaining.

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[dragonsdemesne]

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I think I want to cry :p  So much bad RNG this war for us   Can't get any worse, I guess.

[Zyardran]

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[dragonsdemesne]

salvage: (vs life)
2x guardian angel
2x miracle
1x sanctuary (don't think it really matters; we'll probably end up discarding some from vault here on discards anyway)

discards:
vs gravity:
(deck) dump everything except 4 dims from deck (18 nonquanta cards, that's 14 dumped)
(vault) 6 novas (have we even used them yet?)

vs darkness:
(deck) (keep 3 discords, dump the rest)
(vault) 2x lycan 1x arsenic 1x chyrsaora 1x gravity pull 1x reverse time (all useless without novas)

vs entropy:
(deck)dumping pegasus x3 / morning star x1 is a given, dump 4 sod/6 sofr
(this keeps the SoIs that are still runnable with sovs/sods/the last 2 sofrs if we don't dump those on vault discards)
(vault)(discard 4 solar shield, 1x photon, 1x fog)

vs time:
(deck)only 11 nonquanta cards, so they all go.  morningstar, 3x fractal, silence, 4x charger, 2x miracle
(vault) 9 discards, because +3 due to not enough from vault)
(4 hope, 5 photon)

[dragonsdemesne]

deck ideas:

vs time: firestall
vs death: siphonary (last round they used 5 stalls and lost with 4 of them, so they probably have to send something creature-based, and siphonary should win there, esp. with holy light)
vs fire: soi (not sure why; I think just because it resists PC well, and they haven't really shown the kind of cards other than dims/wings that can stop it i think)
vs water: air duo (wings beats sopa pretty hard)
vs gravity: entropy duo (other than catatitans, a lot of gravity decks need a lot of quanta, and saders are one of the few light creatures that bypass gravity shield, plus we can endow titan if they play one, so they might get scared to do that)

[dragonsdemesne]

vs time general role (using MINE here)

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vs fire upgrade role (i would need to know if silver can build this with his collection)

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vs death salvager role (1 relic being used)

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vs water sideboard role

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vs gravity lieutenant role

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[dragonsdemesne]

I filled in the discard/salvage into our google docs as I suggested above, with the one exception that on our salvage, instead of 2 angel/2miracle/1sanc, I switched it to 2 angel/3miracle.  We have 12 sanctuary, so a 13th one is kinda redundant, since that's exactly enough for 6x in 2 decks, and no deck is going to run a one-of sanc.  We needed at least 2 miracles to make the 9 miracles in the decks I suggested, and so I figured why not grab one more miracle over a sanc.  I doubt it will matter much either way, but we're more likely to try to cram a 10th miracle into our decks somewhere than a 13th sanctuary.

[ARTHANASIOS]

I suggest grabbing 3 Mitosis. Mitoangels can be powerfull against .
An alternative could be grabbing 6 SoGs for a stall.

What about 3 Mitosis & 3 SoGs?

[serprex]

Life only ran 2 angel + 2 mito

..in 47 cards

I've input decks into vault; illegal. Running 6 sod when we only have 5, running 18 sanct when we only have 12

[ARTHANASIOS]

Life only ran 2 angel + 2 mito

..in 47 cards

I've input decks into vault; illegal. Running 6 sod when we only have 5, running 18 sanct when we only have 12

You are right serprex, how about two mitosis and four sogs then?
Btw, are you really going to leave us? Is this because of me?

[dragonsdemesne]

We could take 3 sog/2 mitosis (only 5 card salvage, not 6; I know, we haven't won enough to remember that) but I think we need the extra angels, and probably the miracles as well.  I'll take a look at some of the decks and see what's going on.  We'll also have to dump 20 cards I guess, because of the gayass ruling against us; I'll drop a bunch of pegasi, the purple nymphs, and I have no idea what else.

[ARTHANASIOS]

But... but the War Rounds as well as War rules say 6 Salvage...