Round 4 Discussion

[Zyardran]

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/war/war-10-round-4/msg1245608/#msg1245608

Will post thoughts later.

Discord	Solaris
ARTHANSIOS	dark ripper
Silver Emerald	andretimpa
dragonsdemesne	Gen. worldwideweb3
serprex	vagman13

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[serprex]

take pugons unless you expect chargetal, in which case take entropyduo because we can't beat chargetal any other way (besides a fast sofr rush..). Not sure how well pugons does vs Swallow, but they're against Water/Life/Entropy too this round so other good targets (& pugons probably is the best vs swallow still)
Pugons vs gravity shield is pretty fun

Novabow or SoI. Seriously if someone can't field a Nova deck I'm discarding them all next round. I have no clue what to send here, but it'll probably be something like a dragon mono or the scraps of their sopadeck

entropyduo, ragel, sofrrush, maybe pugons if we're not sending vs Gravity, alright stall, don't think Silver has the cards for SoI. Or hey if we're not nova'ing Entropy might as well Nova darkness

[Zyardran]

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[dragonsdemesne]

Thanks for putting that all in one place.  I'll try to take a look at it tonight or maybe tomorrow and post some thoughts/decks/whatever.  We'll need to work on discard/salvage too but we can do that in the other thread.

[serprex]

From discochat, alternative vs Life

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[ARTHANASIOS]

Seriously if someone can't field a Nova deck I'm discarding them all next round.

Why don't you transmute them this round instead?

EDIT: Nvm, I forgot you can transmute only when you salvage.

[Silver Emerald]

I have many cards and little idea what I'd doing.

What I do know for sure: has PC and CC that would be very mean to Shards of Freedom and winged beasts. I still have 'everything gets destroyed' emotional trauma from the game against . I also know that I could potentially have powerful CC held over my opponent's head this particular round due to the element.

Beyond that, not much I can do to help or have ideas at the moment.

[serprex]

My prediction in descending order of probability: sopa, fractagon, mono, firebolts

[serprex]

Posted deck ideas for everything besides so far. Leaves Mercenary/Tinkerer/Sideboard to play around with

I think these decks look like jokes so please dig in & rip them apart

[dragonsdemesne]

Well, I notice that neither dims nor the air cards have been used yet, if we have somewhere we think those will be good.  I'd imagine that dims would go well in pugons, which I think is what I was going to be taking vs gravity, from our discussions earlier.

(ugh, made this message and forgot to post like 3 hours ago, lol)

Anyway, I saw the suggestion in chat that I take some sort of novabow thing.  I'm not sure how good a novabow can be made with our vault.  I think I might be able to make a passable SNbow or PSNbow but it will be hard.

Looking at the deck, the SoI deck up right now is ILLEGAL, because it's using 0 light upgrades.  We're also using 12 SoDs in our decks and we only have 9 in the vault.  I'm also not sure that I like the fact that SoVicle only has 3 dials (I know the other 6 are in discord's firestall) but at least it does have 3 miracles.  Given that we MUST drop 3 SoDs from somewhere, maybe we should drop them from SoVicle and add a miracle or two?  Also, I would like to mention that in the case of SilverEmerald's matchup vs darkness, we still have holy lights for anti-darkness CC if we wanted.  I'm not sure if that's a good strategy or not, but I also am not sure if it was overlooked or not.

Anyway, I am going to try and build a few other deck possibilities and see what people think.

[dragonsdemesne]

sideboard pugon dims thing (I don't understand sideboard upgrade rules yet and can't be bothered to look them up atm, so here it is unupped :p)

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novabow vampsader

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pegasusbow

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Sovicle (upgrades role)

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(-3 SoD +2 upped dial +1 light pend) 
The reasoning I had here was as follows:
1) Only 9 SoDs in vault, and 6 are in SoI deck, and I think that takes priority for SoDs; 3 have to be dropped from somewhere, and it can't be from SoI
2) Salvage role is risky anyway, and I don't think that the SoI deck needs to use ups
3) I think dials are better here than in firestall; we'll have to edit that accordingly