Round 3 Discussion

[Zyardran]

I think PUGons would do vs water, dragon's idea of siphonary against fire seems like an idea. Ragel might do against death, though I don't expect the same deck from them, as they would be expecting something different from us, entropy duo against aether, and klepto angels is for air, as serp suggested. Just my two

I suggest we start in on publicly confirming decks we plan on using, and I'll add them to the OP for easier access. What do you think?

A pritty table:

Discord	Gen. Afdarenty
ARTHANSIOS	Espithel
Silver Emerald	Gen. JonathanCrazyJ
dragonsdemesne	godisnowonline
serprex	mrpaper

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[dragonsdemesne]

Hmm... that could be one way to work on this.  Everyone pick the deck they think will work best in their own match.  That way, we can each focus on one particular match, rather than trying to put everything together.  If there are conflicts (i.e. 2 people want to use the same deck, or certain cards) then we can work that out as a team.

And remember, team...
round 1 = 0-5
round 2 = 2-3

Round 3... 4-1 is the next in the pattern! :p

[serprex]

vs Air I suggest scrapping together klepto angels with whatever siphonary hasn't taken

I'm guessing Death will send the same deck because that's the kind of person Espithel is. So ragel with some rof/deflag

vs Aether I'm taking entropy duo

No clue what to do about water. They might send some random sopa deck, some monowater, their catatitans is doing well, but they probably predict us to predict that, they could bring some random abysstal. They've got tough matches. They'll probably send sopa/warden vs life or darkness. ughhhh just pugons them or snbow finally

[Zyardran]

Updated with my thoughts

I think PUGons would do vs water, dragon's idea of siphonary against fire seems like an idea. Ragel might do against death, though I don't expect the same deck from them, as they would be expecting something different from us, entropy duo against aether, and klepto angels is for air, as serp suggested. Just my two

[serprex]

I've posted vault prep. Haven't tested much myself. So room to tune (maybe ragel should be tuned into a firestall?). Also, decks available to switch to: rolhope or pugons or soi or nova or mono

[dragonsdemesne]

my babbling/thoughts from late last night

i support all salvage/discards chosen, with the possible exception that perhaps we should transmute PUs since we have a lot already
only one that wasn't really a no-brainer was the catatitan one, whether to dump all the gravity (what we have so far) or dump saders/a couple other things
however i'm not sure what we would transmute them into, and pugon/puangel is still decent
in the (unlikely, in my opinion) event that Air uses wings/OE against us, remember that endowing crusader with their OE will make it ranged to bypass wings
(for discord's match, assuming we stick with that)
dragonsdemesne - Today at 11:00 PM
ahh so you gave me +2 dial/lieutenant and dropped my steals, i can work with that, though there's still 1 steal in vault
that deck vs aether... not sure if genius or idiocy
what role is the entropy duo deck vs aether using? we could potentially do +2 upgrades
which would actually be fairly good (sader, discord)
or actually more likely, i'd do 2x light pend upped i think, it might need a touch more speed?
(oh, vs aether is discards role, ok)
aether's undefeated so far :p
hmm that water match... i really don't know what they'll try to bring, but wings just wrecks SoPa
and the deck can hopefully handle squids
with that cc
something about that raging angels deck bothers me, but i can't put my finger on it.  i'll suggest playtesting it
QI is alright, that's what i thought it was at first

[ARTHANASIOS]

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[dragonsdemesne]

I haven't come up with a solid reason for it, but I was thinking of taking a siphonary/light nymph deck against fire.  Dusk + healing galore nullifies almost any damage that can be put out, except in the very early game or against multiple fractals, and light nymphs provide a solid threat that Fire will either have to leave alive (10hp/turn heal behind dusk + 6 damage attack) or else use up firebolts on, which will make OTKs virtually impossible, and thus hopefully make the siphonary win. 

[ARTHANASIOS]

I haven't come up with a solid reason for it, but I was thinking of taking a siphonary/light nymph deck against fire.  Dusk + healing galore nullifies almost any damage that can be put out, except in the very early game or against multiple fractals, and light nymphs provide a solid threat that Fire will either have to leave alive (10hp/turn heal behind dusk + 6 damage attack) or else use up firebolts on, which will make OTKs virtually impossible, and thus hopefully make the siphonary win.

My opinion is YOLO, do whatever you want.