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Round Three - Preferred Decks and Thoughts on Matchups https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56345.msg1162828#msg1162828
« on: October 28, 2014, 02:03:14 pm »
Round three is going to start soon, so lets get to business.

Please post your thoughts/ideas.


 :darkness
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I think darkness has devtal and it might use it vs us, we haven't used a single sanctuary vs them yet.

 :air
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I doubt air will use UG this round, therefore i recommend Pdials, which is successful vs their mono air, the way to counter our counter to their UG is rush, and mono air is very very good in that aspect, tests with rem shown as 3-0 score even when the pdials user has a bad draw

 :fire
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« Last Edit: October 30, 2014, 05:12:24 am by xn0ize »
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Re: Round Three - Preferred Decks and Thoughts on Matchups https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56345.msg1162877#msg1162877
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2014, 07:17:45 pm »
 General thoughts:
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We have a couple of surprises up our sleeve still - especially our grabbow and discake.  The trick is going to be where to put these for maximum success.  Other teams are unlikely to bring hard CC against us and quite likely to bring PC against us, so that's important to keep in mind.


:darkness
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Predicted decks from them: RT deck, Monodarkness (no devs), PUgons, blue nymph deck, grabbow.

That deck last round was really unexpected, but I doubt they're going to run it back against us.  Tempted to play Immorush here - has no stealable permanents, doesn't lose to devs, and I doubt they'll use CC against us.  Grabbow, Immortal, Discake also reasonable choices.

 :air
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Predicted decks from them:  FFQ/Nymph, SN-Nymph, Darkness Domin, Catatitans, Monoair rush.
We might get the weird SN-Blue Nymph deck.  I really want to rush this matchup - also really important to check if their player has a bunch of air nymphs or no.

 :fire
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Predicted decks from them:  Monofire Rush, Grabbow, Fractix, PUgons, Darkness Domin, Poison/BW/Bolt, Immorewind, Immodisco.

Still a fan of 1-2 upped Mirror Shield in this matchup.  I don't think they'll immorush again.  I want to send Discake here if it does well in testing.

 :earth
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Expected decks: It's a Trap!, AM duo, Pulvybow, Deflag/RPot, Discake, Antliontal, Immortal.

Earth looked really unexciting last round, and their deck against us was trying to do too much.  Fast monolight here?

 :life
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Expected decks: Grabbow, Frogtal, Monolife, Spectre duo, Adrenaquintpsion.

Send something boring and resilient here.  Raging Angels would be my vote.  If we don't try to get cute and do too much I think we'll be fine.

 :water
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Expected decks: Grabbow, Darkness Domin, Steamie Duo, Speed Poison, PUgons, Monowater rush.

grabbow/PDials.  I don't think they'll bring Purify against us.  I do worry about PUgons and trident.

these are really initial thoughts - haven't looked at last round decks for them or anything.  spoonful of salt recommended with each.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2014, 08:02:17 pm by Cheesy111 »

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Re: Round Three - Preferred Decks and Thoughts on Matchups https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56345.msg1162934#msg1162934
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2014, 01:18:03 am »
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:fire : Dim-Dial dragon-tal stall: http://dek.im/d/z15lazF5mqz561tz1622z27k2z57q98pu
 :darkness : Uhhh, I honestly don't know. Immo-rush seems like it would be good here.
 :life : Angel Fire
 :air : Siphonry
 :earth : Grabbow/disquake
 :water: PDials
« Last Edit: October 29, 2014, 01:20:21 am by Shinki12345 »
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Re: Round Three - Preferred Decks and Thoughts on Matchups https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56345.msg1162971#msg1162971
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2014, 05:31:55 am »
:darkness
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Here are the decks they've used
Round #1RT Splash
Shockwave Splash
BB Splash
Lightning Splash
Grabbow
Vamptal
Round #2Panda AM Stall
Nymph Break Deck
Mono Dark
Siphonry

You'll notice in the first round the huge flood of splash CC decks, you'll notice too that there's not a single devourer used in any of them. This is likely a ploy to make us vulnerable to them future rounds as opposed to a lack of them in the vault.

Despite all those CC decks - rushing remains an option to us. AdrenAngels or Staves has potential, the fact that its resistant to so much of that CC certainly helps. Immortal is also a possibility, salvaging Holy Light from Time's deck has potential there. Though I'm not sure about running a stall against them again. Its hard to know if that's  being foolishly predictable or cleverly unpredictable.

:air
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They have not yet used a single Dim Shield, though there's been plenty of CC, fog and Blue Nymphs. I'm thinking Mono Light isn't a bad idea here, its highly resistant to their CC and we can bring two mirror shields to deal with the nymphs or UG.
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:fire
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Is it possible to counter both Fractrix and their rushes?
Mono Light is a possibility again, as is Dark Domin (though a more solid build than last time)
We could always revenge match them and come with a Immo Disco Deck
or could if I could manage to build one :(

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:earth
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RT/EQ deck seems likely to me - though Immortal remains a possibility as does Pulvy Smash.
Do we double down and Immo Rush again?

Beating Immortal requires either ramp damage or Eternity.
Beating EQ/RT requires resistance to EQ and not using Immo or Grabbow
Beating Pulvy Smash means not using a Perm reliant deck
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There is yet no evidence they have this deck or anything similar in their vault - but it should be a reasonably obvious and rather strong potential deck, so it would surprise me if they don't.

I wonder how the raging Angel deck we sent to time would do here? Try to squeeze in a few upped quanta for additional EQ protection?

:life
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RT Splash - just because

:water
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If you look at their decks played so far you'll see 4 Break Decks & 3 Stall Decks

Having used wings so effectively against them last round they'll need to consider them this time. I'd expect them to bring PUagons. Though Raging Steamies, their Death Stall and a Trident-bow are all possibilities.

Of note - their PUagons hasn't included Silence and is therefore vulnerable to our PUagons if we run Silence. I'm however unsure if your PUagons can beat any of their alternate decks (Steamies, Death Stall and Trident-bow)

I'm wondering if running a Grabbow here would be a solid move?
« Last Edit: October 30, 2014, 03:12:50 am by Jen-i »
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