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Discards & Salvage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62891.msg1243591#msg1243591
« on: September 03, 2016, 03:43:40 pm »
discards

chrysaora deck
-drop 5 chrysaoras.  I don't think there's any point trying to keep this deck, especially when the alternative is discarding that other stuff.  arsenic more useful so keep that

firestall
-drop 2 deflags, fireshield, mirror shield, rain of fire.  seems the best choice by far to me.  Possibly drop 2 rains and 0 fireshield

sovicle
-drop 1 mirror (we have 7, will have 5 after this), drop 1 drain life, drop 2 SoD, drop 1 dagger.

airstall
-harder choice what to discard here.  something from OE/fog/thunderstorm/SoD is probably best, like 1 OE/1fog/1thunderstorm/2sod or something

edit: pegasus SoFr lost too, so...
-we have 24 pegasus, so probably just drop 5 of those.

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Re: discards (and hopefully salvage... cmon silver) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62891.msg1243595#msg1243595
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2016, 03:52:44 pm »
My opinion:

chrysaora deck:
 yep, -5 chrysaoras, we have shown the world our original deck idea, we can have it rest in peace now

firestall:
 KEEP the deflags, we are :light and we are going to need all the PC we can get. Drop Mirror, Firewall and 3 RoFs.

sovicle:
 -1 mirror, -1 SoV (or SoD), -1 Dial, -1 Miracle, -1 Dagger

airstall:
 honestly I don't know
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Re: discards (and hopefully salvage... cmon silver) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62891.msg1243597#msg1243597
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2016, 04:03:51 pm »
I'm strongly against dropped SoV, unless we drop all of them, but otherwise I can get behind those ideas.  I kinda like the idea of keeping RoFs, but we have to drop something :p

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Re: discards (and hopefully salvage... cmon silver) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62891.msg1243620#msg1243620
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2016, 05:06:02 pm »
I drafted extra fire shields for discarding purposes

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Re: discards (and hopefully salvage... cmon silver) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62891.msg1244483#msg1244483
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2016, 03:53:40 am »
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DISCARDS 10
Need to discard 5 more from each deck, 2 can come from vault, thinking -holylights
-3hope -6photon, we ain't winning a 2nd one of these
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SALVAGE 6
lolwtf do we salvage? Sose duo pls
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silence 5PU unless we're going to do RT domin with 2RT+2Precog
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Re: discards (and hopefully salvage... cmon silver) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62891.msg1244484#msg1244484
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2016, 03:57:52 am »
lolwtf do we salvage? Sose duo pls
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Re: discards (and hopefully salvage... cmon silver) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62891.msg1244485#msg1244485
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2016, 04:00:22 am »
We could steal deuce's deck of 4 soi + 6 sod + 6 pu + 8 light pend + 5 w/e + miracle, merc
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Re: discards (and hopefully salvage... cmon silver) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62891.msg1244487#msg1244487
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2016, 04:28:07 am »
discards

rol/hope (-2 angel -1 morningstar -2 hope -3 photon)
We also have 24 angels; we should probably discard the two of those from the fractal rol/hope deck, and we have 11 morningstars.  I was thinking to start with those three cards from that deck.  I could see getting rid of two hopes; that still leaves us 4 for a rol/hope deck, and we won't want more than that.  That's five discards, and then we could get rid of 3 photons.  I could see shuffling it around a little bit, but the angels look like the cards we can spare the most, simply because we have a full 24 in vault atm.  I know they're good, though... hard to say.

titansader (-5 sader -1 gpull -1 mirror -1 catapult ?)
Ugh... not sure what to do on this one.  If we discard the 5 crusaders, which makes sense initially, what other 3 cards do we discard?  We either discard flying weapons, which are too valuable in too many decks, so no, or we discard mirror and 2 gravity cards, or 3 gravity cards.  Now, discarding even a few of the gravity cards kinda neuters the entire deck, so maybe we should discard ALL the gravity cards, and then a crusader.  Alternately, we could drop 5 saders, gravity pull, mirror, and catapult, which would allow for salvaging the deck idea.
(so basically -7 gravity -1 sader or -5 sader -1 gpull -1 mirror -1 catapult seem the only viable discards; not sure which I prefer.  I think the latter)


salvage (at last!)
shard golem deck
I see serprex had the same wtf do we salvage moment that I did about five minutes after winning that match :p  Well, we don't have any real novabow thing going, and not even any graboids, and we already have 6 novas, so I think that novas are out of the question.  In my mind, that leaves three possibilities.

1) 6 shards of wisdom.  Flying wise glories.  (also possibly hilarious mirror shield things if opponents run phase dragons or immortal golems, but that's an outside case)
2) 6 shards of integrity.  Shard golem deck.  We've also got 6 SoV too, so this is actually viable if we go that route.  They'd be vulnerable to AM/RT, though.
3) transmute into something

time pugon
1 silence/5 PU or 6 PU seem the only reasonable options here, or else transmuting.  This could help negate vault discards, since we've got some of these already, we could mitigate a few of those.

Vault discards: (4 so far, 2 losses)
1) The chrysaora, obviously.  It has literally zero value on its own.  This should unequivocally be the first card discarded.
2) silence/PUs.  We're salvaging from time pugons, so we could kinda cancel this out.  (leaning towards this; better than transmuting)
3) Maybe some of the entropy stuff we haven't used yet?  I dunno.

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Re: discards (and hopefully salvage... cmon silver) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62891.msg1244509#msg1244509
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2016, 11:14:53 am »
We can discard a titan, then we'll have 4 titans & 3 FW
The lone chrys has value through nova

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Re: discards (and hopefully salvage... cmon silver) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62891.msg1244510#msg1244510
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2016, 11:32:52 am »
The lone chrys has value through nova

Moreover, salvaging some SoSes can lead to interesting nova-based :entropy :light rainbows. Just my 2 :electrum
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Re: discards (and hopefully salvage... cmon silver) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62891.msg1244514#msg1244514
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2016, 12:00:22 pm »
pande you my fav, but 10ttw so slow
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Re: discards (and hopefully salvage... cmon silver) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62891.msg1244522#msg1244522
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2016, 02:17:50 pm »
SoW Glory
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