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Re: Sanctuary | Sanctuary https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21502.msg277348#msg277348
« Reply #180 on: February 23, 2011, 11:40:54 pm »
I personally think it should be immaterial with less healing
since the point of the card is protect quanta from :darkness and :entropy, healing should be decreased, but it should also gain protection from steal and BE
Hecks no. Devourer is one of the most basic Darkness deck card. This card makes them absolutely worthless. Even if it wasn't Immaterial, the fact that you can have 6 means that Steal won't do anything, and with such massive amounts of healing, any damage from an Eclipse bonus is all but negated.

I'm still waiting to see how Darkness can even conceivably counter this. Dragon rush is the only possibility I can see, atm.
pests will still generate quanta for you, and I did mention reducing healing
and will you stop worrying about mono-darkness being powerless to mono light?
what about mono earth vs mono life?
with earth's 3 damage block shield and granite skin's massive healing, life is essentially powerless, dragon rush is the only way for life to win
what's the difference?
Devourers still generate quanta? Not from what I've seen. If they can't take quanta, they can't make quanta. Not to mention, that also reduces the power of dragon rushes in Darkness, since Devourers don't get the quanta you need for early dragon power. Now it's even more onesided!
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Re: Sanctuary | Sanctuary https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21502.msg277352#msg277352
« Reply #181 on: February 23, 2011, 11:55:05 pm »
^ In trainer, i think devourers do. But that might be a bug.

Re: Sanctuary | Sanctuary https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21502.msg277355#msg277355
« Reply #182 on: February 23, 2011, 11:59:09 pm »
mono-light and mono-darkness is not imbalanced...
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Re: Sanctuary | Sanctuary https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21502.msg277363#msg277363
« Reply #183 on: February 24, 2011, 12:13:00 am »
I personally think it should be immaterial with less healing
since the point of the card is protect quanta from :darkness and :entropy, healing should be decreased, but it should also gain protection from steal and BE
Hecks no. Devourer is one of the most basic Darkness deck card. This card makes them absolutely worthless. Even if it wasn't Immaterial, the fact that you can have 6 means that Steal won't do anything, and with such massive amounts of healing, any damage from an Eclipse bonus is all but negated.

I'm still waiting to see how Darkness can even conceivably counter this. Dragon rush is the only possibility I can see, atm.
pests will still generate quanta for you, and I did mention reducing healing
and will you stop worrying about mono-darkness being powerless to mono light?
what about mono earth vs mono life?
with earth's 3 damage block shield and granite skin's massive healing, life is essentially powerless, dragon rush is the only way for life to win
what's the difference?
Devourers still generate quanta? Not from what I've seen. If they can't take quanta, they can't make quanta. Not to mention, that also reduces the power of dragon rushes in Darkness, since Devourers don't get the quanta you need for early dragon power. Now it's even more onesided!
Ill say it again. Make a mono light deck that is somehow magically better with Sancturary. I will then see if I can beat it with mono dark. Then I will believe you. Until then though, you have no evidence to back up ANY claim you are making.
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Re: Sanctuary | Sanctuary https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21502.msg277552#msg277552
« Reply #184 on: February 24, 2011, 08:18:17 am »
I personally think it should be immaterial with less healing
since the point of the card is protect quanta from :darkness and :entropy, healing should be decreased, but it should also gain protection from steal and BE
Hecks no. Devourer is one of the most basic Darkness deck card. This card makes them absolutely worthless. Even if it wasn't Immaterial, the fact that you can have 6 means that Steal won't do anything, and with such massive amounts of healing, any damage from an Eclipse bonus is all but negated.

I'm still waiting to see how Darkness can even conceivably counter this. Dragon rush is the only possibility I can see, atm.
pests will still generate quanta for you, and I did mention reducing healing
and will you stop worrying about mono-darkness being powerless to mono light?
what about mono earth vs mono life?
with earth's 3 damage block shield and granite skin's massive healing, life is essentially powerless, dragon rush is the only way for life to win
what's the difference?
Devourers still generate quanta? Not from what I've seen. If they can't take quanta, they can't make quanta. Not to mention, that also reduces the power of dragon rushes in Darkness, since Devourers don't get the quanta you need for early dragon power. Now it's even more onesided!
Devourers don't fit rushes, they just eat precious quanta while pillars could've let you set up a Dragon a turn earlier, just saying :P After all, a "pillar" costing 2 :darkness is slower than one costing 0 :darkness.

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Re: Sanctuary | Sanctuary https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21502.msg278246#msg278246
« Reply #185 on: February 25, 2011, 07:50:59 am »
i kinda dislike this, i mean its pretty much a less effective SoG which completely screws a couple of decks, i mean theres only three cards that this card effects isnt there?

oh yeah and doesnt this technically mean that dissipation shields dont make you lose quanta?
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Re: Sanctuary | Sanctuary https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21502.msg278258#msg278258
« Reply #186 on: February 25, 2011, 08:31:17 am »
I mean theres only three cards that this card effects isnt there?
Five : :entropy Discord, :gravity Black Hole, :darkness Devourer, :aether Silence and The extremelly powerfull and soon to be nerfed :darkness Nightmare

oh yeah and doesnt this technically mean that dissipation shields dont make you lose quanta?
Not only no quanta is lost but also no damage is absorbed! Is this normal?


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Re: Sanctuary | Sanctuary https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21502.msg278263#msg278263
« Reply #187 on: February 25, 2011, 08:53:41 am »
Dissipation shield effects your quanta during your opponents turn, thus none are taken. Since no quanta is taken, no attacking power is blocked.
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Re: Sanctuary | Sanctuary https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21502.msg278266#msg278266
« Reply #188 on: February 25, 2011, 09:04:29 am »
So, you believe that the fact that solar shield and dissipation shield are disrupted by sanctuary is a logical (and probably wanted by zantarino) but yet annoying side effect of sanctuary?

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Re: Sanctuary | Sanctuary https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21502.msg278267#msg278267
« Reply #189 on: February 25, 2011, 09:08:04 am »
in other words, sanctuary is also an effective counter to dissipation shield/field
awesome?

also, if by no quanta taken also means no damage is being prevented when both diss.shield and sanctuary are in the play, i believe that is working as intended and not a bug/glitch
the same with vampirism working against gravity pulled  creature (you still gain life if you vampire attack into an armagio for example)

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Re: Sanctuary | Sanctuary https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21502.msg278275#msg278275
« Reply #190 on: February 25, 2011, 09:44:21 am »
in other words, sanctuary is also an effective counter to dissipation shield/field
awesome?
No.  If YOU have both Sanctuary and Dissipation F/SHield in play, your Dissipator doesn't work.  You can't use your sanctuary to counter your opponent's dissipator.

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Re: Sanctuary | Sanctuary https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21502.msg278278#msg278278
« Reply #191 on: February 25, 2011, 10:03:46 am »
Well the shield was working before without absorbing quanta (neverending phase shield) so it makes sense it was fixed to not work at all in that case to still be able to prevent quanta distortion.

 

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