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Re: Sanctuary | Sanctuary https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21502.msg276992#msg276992
« Reply #168 on: February 23, 2011, 01:08:07 pm »
Oh yeah, about the card... I don't see why all the fuss? It's perfectly balanced to me. If you want less cost, less Healing (and timer), go play Rock-Paper-Scissors. Here, deckbuilding and play thought should actually be important, maximizing draw chances and ability to play the card asap, that kind of things.
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Re: Sanctuary | Sanctuary https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21502.msg277026#msg277026
« Reply #169 on: February 23, 2011, 02:20:32 pm »
Yeah.. uh.. Nova and a lower cost of Discord mathematically makes Discord come out sooner than Sanctuary. That's how it's gonna be for a majority of games played in such a matchup. You can build your deck however you want, it's not going to affect that. x)

However, once you do get Sanc out, it at least stops the scrambling for the rest of those turns, -and- provides good healing. It's not weak, it's just that it's less of a direct counter, which is good in its own way.
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Re: Sanctuary | Sanctuary https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21502.msg277069#msg277069
« Reply #170 on: February 23, 2011, 03:49:33 pm »
As is, sanctuary is much better in a :light miracle stall than randomly tucked in just any deck aas a discord counter.  This is OK though.  In the :light versus :entropy matchup, :light now has the general upper hand which is a net improvement for overall game balance IMO.

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Re: Sanctuary | Sanctuary https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21502.msg277129#msg277129
« Reply #171 on: February 23, 2011, 05:13:45 pm »
Oh yeah, about the card... I don't see why all the fuss? It's perfectly balanced to me. If you want less cost, less Healing (and timer), go play Rock-Paper-Scissors. Here, deckbuilding and play thought should actually be important, maximizing draw chances and ability to play the card asap, that kind of things.
Care to expand upon this? :)
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Re: Sanctuary | Sanctuary https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21502.msg277222#msg277222
« Reply #172 on: February 23, 2011, 08:03:58 pm »
Oh yeah, about the card... I don't see why all the fuss? It's perfectly balanced to me. If you want less cost, less Healing (and timer), go play Rock-Paper-Scissors. Here, deckbuilding and play thought should actually be important, maximizing draw chances and ability to play the card asap, that kind of things.
Care to expand upon this? :)
Cards being perfect counters and nothing else is bad. This card is a good example of a soft counter, useful in most kind of decks.
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Re: Sanctuary | Sanctuary https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21502.msg277321#msg277321
« Reply #173 on: February 23, 2011, 11:03:53 pm »
Can someone adjust vote?... I need more than one vote...

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Re: Sanctuary | Sanctuary https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21502.msg277323#msg277323
« Reply #174 on: February 23, 2011, 11:07:33 pm »
Aye, so do I, since I think it needs less cost and less healing. I'll give everyone 2. You can now also change your vote if you like.
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Re: Sanctuary | Sanctuary https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21502.msg277326#msg277326
« Reply #175 on: February 23, 2011, 11:17:27 pm »
I'm pretty alarmed by the fact of Sanctuary having timer. It will definetly kill the card. I mean, it'd be like a slow heal and underused due to be an uneffective counter to discord. I personally prefer upping the cost in this case.

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Re: Sanctuary | Sanctuary https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21502.msg277331#msg277331
« Reply #176 on: February 23, 2011, 11:28:02 pm »
I changed my voting option from reduce cost to nothing.  The card is fine.

Re: Sanctuary | Sanctuary https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21502.msg277334#msg277334
« Reply #177 on: February 23, 2011, 11:30:48 pm »
I personally think it should be immaterial with less healing
since the point of the card is protect quanta from :darkness and :entropy, healing should be decreased, but it should also gain protection from steal and BE

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Re: Sanctuary | Sanctuary https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21502.msg277336#msg277336
« Reply #178 on: February 23, 2011, 11:32:33 pm »
I personally think it should be immaterial with less healing
since the point of the card is protect quanta from :darkness and :entropy, healing should be decreased, but it should also gain protection from steal and BE
Hecks no. Devourer is one of the most basic Darkness deck card. This card makes them absolutely worthless. Even if it wasn't Immaterial, the fact that you can have 6 means that Steal won't do anything, and with such massive amounts of healing, any damage from an Eclipse bonus is all but negated.

I'm still waiting to see how Darkness can even conceivably counter this. Dragon rush is the only possibility I can see, atm.
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Re: Sanctuary | Sanctuary https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21502.msg277342#msg277342
« Reply #179 on: February 23, 2011, 11:36:23 pm »
I personally think it should be immaterial with less healing
since the point of the card is protect quanta from :darkness and :entropy, healing should be decreased, but it should also gain protection from steal and BE
Hecks no. Devourer is one of the most basic Darkness deck card. This card makes them absolutely worthless. Even if it wasn't Immaterial, the fact that you can have 6 means that Steal won't do anything, and with such massive amounts of healing, any damage from an Eclipse bonus is all but negated.

I'm still waiting to see how Darkness can even conceivably counter this. Dragon rush is the only possibility I can see, atm.
pests will still generate quanta for you, and I did mention reducing healing
and will you stop worrying about mono-darkness being powerless to mono light?
what about mono earth vs mono life?
with earth's 3 damage block shield and granite skin's massive healing, life is essentially powerless, dragon rush is the only way for life to win
what's the difference?

 

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