Round 4 Discussion

[willng3]

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Deckbuilding:
Duel phase has started

Duels:
Fighting ends!

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-21 from math's deck:

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-21 from nen's deck

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5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 622 622 622 622 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ae 8pu

-21 from n00b's deck

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-21 from Will's deck

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+6 from UTL's duel versus Death:

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Notes:You may not sacrifice berserker's extra upgrades.You must post how many upgrades were sacrified from Berserker. Other Notes: Don't forget the effects of last round's event card!

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hainkarga

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Gen.willng3

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Strategist mathman101

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Gen. mrpaper

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Lt.nensuru

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Chapuz

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QMBelligerence

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Spielkind

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skotadi phobos

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Standard Bearern00b

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BerserkerUnderneathTheLens

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Absol

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[nensuru]

Sorry again for my bad calls last round, especially vs

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~ ~ means enemy general battle

	Vs
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		( )
		~ ~ ( )
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Support battle:

Cards we cannot use:

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Cards cannot use:

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4vh 4vj 55t 590 595 5if 5li 5lm 5og 5rk 5ru 61q 622 8pt

[mathman101]

Chatroom:  http://piratepad.net/theonlyrealteamlife

Deckbuilding:
Duel phase has started

Duels:
Fighting ends!

Spoiler for Standing Vault:

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-21 from math's deck:

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-21 from nen's deck

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5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 622 622 622 622 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ae 8pu

-21 from n00b's deck

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5c2 5c2 5c2 5c2 5c5 5c5 5c5 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5oc 5oc 5oi 5oi 5ol 5ol 5ol 5ol 5on 5on 5on 5on 5on 5on 5oo 5oo 5oo 7n8 7n8 7n8 8pr

-21 from Will's deck

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+6 from Bell's duel versus Fire:

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+6 from UTL's duel versus Death:

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4vp 4vp 4vp 4vp 4vp 4vp 52g 52g 52g 52g 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52p 52r 52r 52r 52r 542 542 542 542 710 710 71a 71a 71a 72i 8pj

Spoiler for Event Card:

Notes:You may not sacrifice berserker's extra upgrades.You must post how many upgrades were sacrified from Berserker. Other Notes: Don't forget the effects of last round's event card!

Spoiler for Match-ups:

9

hainkarga

vs

Gen.willng3

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mathman101

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Gen. mrpaper

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19

nensuru

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Chapuz

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21

Belligerence

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Spielkind

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24

skotadi phobos

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n00b

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3

UnderneathTheLens

vs

Absol

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Agian I thought i could try and help out by starting the OP.

[nensuru]

Support battle (check what cards us and them cannot use on my last post):

some things to consider:

We have acess to grabbow - this and the fact that we only have 1 big flying hitter might lure wings
They dont have acess to sanctuary and they have acess to dim shield - this will make devtosis a good choice for us

however, shockwave counters devtosis and it is also on same elements as wings, to summarize this is one of their best choices
in case they are just lazy, we can expect a mono darkness wich is still a force to be reckoned

my sugestion is to use something like this:

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it does well against cc and quanta denial

[nensuru]

Support battle:

The deck does better with - 1 gpull, + 1 momentum

S/D/C

Salvage:

Novas, i tried to build something around them and came to this:

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it require us to salvage 6 novas and 2 poisons, nothing really strong, but it makes a better use of discord then the abominatiom mitosis deck

i think we can make the best use of the QM effect for darkness adding nightmares for a darkness domination deck, in this example of deck i gave, we can use QM ability to trade 4 salvage of the pandebonium for 2 nightmares

Discard:

We gotta decide what decks we want to keep in vault, as we have 183 cards, thats enough to feed 6 decks

these are the decks i think we can still manage to build after discards (and they respective pillars/pends):

-Best decks imo
Tu gons(13 - 6 pillars, 7 pends)
Frogtal (16~15 pends)
Adrenatitan (12 pends)

-Remaining AW's deck (one of the two)
Fahren/adrenastaves (10~11 pends)
adrenastaves (11 pillars)

-And 2 of these 3
Darkness domination (13 - 10 pillars, 3 pends)
Nova discord scorps (8 - 4 pillars, 4 pends)
Wings/OE/SW splash duo (13 - 10 pillars, 3 pends) <- just an extimative, we might want more pends if we keep OE's, this version of 3 pends will likely mbe a deck with SW and some wings

"best decks" needs 41~40 quanta generators, where 6 of them are pillars, 35~34 are pends

"AW decks" needs 10~11 pillars/pends

"2 of 3 decks":
Combination 1 and 2: 21 quanta generators, where 14 are pillars and 7 are pends
Combination 1 and 3: 26 quanta generators, where 26 are pillars and 6 are pends (depends of what we keep for deck 3)
Combination 2 and 3: same as 1 and 2

I will stop for now, next time i will post what decks are the better choice for us based on the decks of our enemies and what cards should we discard/convert to keep these decks alive

[Belligerence]

Stuff coming... eventually. Tonight, or at the latest, sometime tomorrow. Sorry.

[nensuru]

Salvage:  Beligerance was the SB so, we can salvage 2 more cards from the grabbow, lycan and lighting are good targets for this salvage or we can get an extra darkness card

My opinion on discards:

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Tu gons: 3 dim; 5 pu; 13 pillar/pend
Frogtal: 1 dim; 3 fractal; 2 frog; 15 pend
Air stall: 4 heal; 3 druidic staff; 2 wind pillars; 2 wings
  -if SW splash: 4 oe; 2 SW; 4 pend
  -if OE duo: 1 oe; 6 SW; 3 pend
Gravity duo: 3 momentum; 3 charger; 1 adrenaline; 1 scorp; 13 pillar/pend

After these discards we gonna lose:

- 45~44 pillar/pends of 78 in vault, that leave us with 34~33 pillar pends

According to my estimative from the previous post, we going to need 87~56 pillar to feed 5 decks

This makes 43~23 cards to convert

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I will keep this here in case we dont have any other better idea for what remaining decks/discards we are using

[Belligerence]

Alright.

Discards:

PUgons: 4 Dragons, 5 PU, 3 Lightning, 3 DimShield, 2 Pillar, 3 Pends. This removes this from our Vault, but leaves us with a Sideboard for both Frogtal and the second PUgons.

Frogtal: 4 Frogs, 3 Fractal, 14 Pends. This leaves us able to field PUgons, with 1 extra Fractal in case we get a random/forced discard. *Just in case*

Entropy Stall: Hmm. 4 Owl's Eye, 6 Wings, 4 Heals, 6 Shockwave, 1 Wind Pillar. Convert the remaining Wind Pillar.

Gravity Duo: 3 Momentum, 2 Charger (keep 1 or 2 for AdrenaTitans), 6 Forest Scorpion, 3 pillars, 7 pends. This removes this from the Vault.

That leaves predictions. I'm going to go against my previous post and avoid posting my suggestions right now, as I was just called in to work... I was supposed to be off today. I'll try again tonight.

[Belligerence]

Thought I posted this last night. Clearly I was mistaken.

Aether: AdrenaTitans maybe?

Earth: MitoDragons.

Time: Frogtal.

Water: PUgons. I'm somewhat afraid of Nightmare here, PUgons tends to keep a fairly/half full hand most of the time.

Darkness: If we can convert for a couple Nightmares, maybe nen's Darkness domination. Possibly switch MitoDragons with the Darkness duo, since I don't like the idea of using Darkness against Darkness.

[nensuru]

To simplify my post these are the decks i suggested:

PUgons 1

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PUgons 2

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Frogtal

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Adrenatitan

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Adrenastaves

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Fahren duo

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Optional: -4 deflags +3 bolts +1 pendulum

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Nova discord scorpions

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[willng3]

First off, I'd like to apologize for not giving any input during this round.  Between college work, preparing for a part time job (which hopefully gives me experience in my field), and other miscellaneous factors I just haven't felt motivated to put this at the top of my priority list.

Everything is input into the vault (except UTL's support deck, but there's an error there that the WMs are aware of) with no errors.  I'm by no means sure about the decks that we're using right now, but I tried to assign everyone's decks based on what I thought would give us the best chances.  But there are still some matchups that I really just don't see us winning no matter what deck we use.  It's unfortunate, but that's just the way it goes.

Anyways, here are the decks, salvages, etc. that were taken directly out of the Vault:

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"General

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Lieutenant

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Strategist

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Quartermaster

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Standard Bearer

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Spoiler for General's Salvage/Discard:

Cards Available	#	Salvaged /Discarded
Momentum	3	3
Adrenaline	5	1
Forest Scorpion	6	6
Sapphire Charger	3	3
Emerald Pillar	6	6
Life Pendulum	7	2

Spoiler for Lieutenant's Salvage/Discard:

Cards Available	#	Salvaged /Discarded
Life Pendulum	15	15
Dimensional Shield	5	5
Fractal	4	0
Horned Frog	6	1

Spoiler for Strategist's Salvage/Discard:

Cards Available	#	Salvaged /Discarded
Emerald Pillar	6	5
Emerald Dragon	5	3
Life Pendulum	7	3
Parallel Universe	5	5
Dimensional Shield	4	1
Silence	3
Lightning	4	4

Spoiler for Assassin's Salvage/Discard:

Cards Available	#	Salvaged /Discarded
Heal	4
Druidic Staff	3	2
Life Pendulum	13	1
Wind Pillar	2	2
Flying Weapon	2
Owl's Eye	4	4
Shockwave	6	6
Wings	6	6

Spoiler for Salvager's Salvage/Discard:

Cards Available	#	Salvaged /Discarded
Pandemonium	6
Poison	6	6
Plague	1
Bone Wall	4
Bone Pillar	6
Arsenic	3
Death Pendulum	5

Spoiler for Scout's Salvage/Discard:

Cards Available	#	Salvaged /Discarded
Lycanthrope	1
Nova	6	6
Gravity Pull	1
Graboid	4
Fire Bolt	1	1
Lava Golem	4
Phoenix	1
Fire Pendulum	9
Arsenic	1
Fog Shield	1
Lightning	1	1

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Spoiler for Conversions:

Steal   0      4
Vampire Stiletto   0   2   
Entropy Pendulum   0      3
Abomination   2      2
Lobotomizer   0      2
Poison   4      2
Cockatrice   0   1   3
Deflagration   3   1   

This basically allows us to keep Frogtal alive even if it loses while allowing us to escape having to take a suicide deck.  There would have been no other way to do this otherwise.

Piratepad's derping again so the Member Roles won't be updated for a while.  Read the first post of this thread for your assigned decks.