Post by: CuCN on October 03, 2014, 12:12:48 am
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvcW8cFYEJt0dGVaNV9maFppVDlwSlVBZC13UzdVbmc
Do not share this link with anyone not on your team!
The Vault sheet shows what cards are in your vault, as well as what cards are in use in your decks. This includes any changes made as a result of salvage, discard, or conversions on the Preparation sheet.
During the Vault building phase, you may edit the highlighted cells (in the columns labeled "Total") to indicate which cards will be in your initial vault. After this phase, you must not directly edit the Vault sheet.
The Preparation sheet is where you list your Salvage, Discards, Conversions, and decks for each round. Do not edit any cells which do not have a white background.
In the "Losses" and "Wins" cells, you should fill in the number of games you lost and won in the previous round.
In the "Discard From" and "Salvage From" columns, give the deck code of whichever deck from the previous round you are discarding or salvaging from. In the "Discard (code)" and "Salvage (code)" columns, fill in codes for the cards you are discarding or salvaging. If you choose to transmute cards, use the codes for the cards you are transmuting them into.
The (Penalties) row is for any penalties you may receive or extra discards that may happen as the result of an Event Card. The (Bonuses) row is similarly for any extra cards which may be added to your vault as the result of an Event Card.
For Conversions, provide the deck code for the cards you are converting, and the number (not a code!) of pillars and pendulums of your element you are converting them to.
In the Positions section, list which player corresponds to which position number. If you have fewer than 6 battles for a round, the players you listed in the highest numbered positions the previous round will not play. Players may change positions from round to round, except for the General.
In the Decks section, you should provide a deck code for each active player in the "Deck Code" column. Specify which player is intended to play each deck by using the dropdown menus in the "Position" column. There are intentionally several extra rows, so that you can try different combinations of decks before finalizing which ones you will use. Only the decks assigned to a player will be counted. Do not list the same player more than once.
If one (or more) of your decks is a suicide, you should indicate that in the "Suicide Deck?" column. You will receive an automatic loss for that match, but you will not receive a penalty for an illegal deck.
The "Deck Name" column is for your own use, and whether or not it is filled in will have no effect.
You may edit the Preparation sheet only during the Deckbuilding phase of each round. Once the Duel phase begins, a copy of the sheet will be saved, and editing the sheet will result in a penalty. When a Warmaster approves it, the sheet will be cleared. Once this happens, you are allowed to start using it for the next round.
The Deck Code Generator sheet is to assist you in making deck codes for the Preparation sheet. You may edit this sheet at any time, but only the cells with white backgrounds.
To use this sheet, use the drop-down menus in the "Card" column to select cards, and fill in the number of these cards in the "Quantity" column. If you want the deck code to include a mark (not mark card), select it in cell B1.
The code will appear in cell E1 and a link to a deck image will appear in cell G1.
Do not modify anything that is not in one of these three sheets.
During the Vault building phase, you may edit the highlighted cells (in the columns labeled "Total") to indicate which cards will be in your initial vault. After this phase, you must not directly edit the Vault sheet.
The Preparation sheet is where you list your Salvage, Discards, Conversions, and decks for each round. Do not edit any cells which do not have a white background.
In the "Losses" and "Wins" cells, you should fill in the number of games you lost and won in the previous round.
In the "Discard From" and "Salvage From" columns, give the deck code of whichever deck from the previous round you are discarding or salvaging from. In the "Discard (code)" and "Salvage (code)" columns, fill in codes for the cards you are discarding or salvaging. If you choose to transmute cards, use the codes for the cards you are transmuting them into.
The (Penalties) row is for any penalties you may receive or extra discards that may happen as the result of an Event Card. The (Bonuses) row is similarly for any extra cards which may be added to your vault as the result of an Event Card.
For Conversions, provide the deck code for the cards you are converting, and the number (not a code!) of pillars and pendulums of your element you are converting them to.
In the Positions section, list which player corresponds to which position number. If you have fewer than 6 battles for a round, the players you listed in the highest numbered positions the previous round will not play. Players may change positions from round to round, except for the General.
In the Decks section, you should provide a deck code for each active player in the "Deck Code" column. Specify which player is intended to play each deck by using the dropdown menus in the "Position" column. There are intentionally several extra rows, so that you can try different combinations of decks before finalizing which ones you will use. Only the decks assigned to a player will be counted. Do not list the same player more than once.
If one (or more) of your decks is a suicide, you should indicate that in the "Suicide Deck?" column. You will receive an automatic loss for that match, but you will not receive a penalty for an illegal deck.
The "Deck Name" column is for your own use, and whether or not it is filled in will have no effect.
You may edit the Preparation sheet only during the Deckbuilding phase of each round. Once the Duel phase begins, a copy of the sheet will be saved, and editing the sheet will result in a penalty. When a Warmaster approves it, the sheet will be cleared. Once this happens, you are allowed to start using it for the next round.
The Deck Code Generator sheet is to assist you in making deck codes for the Preparation sheet. You may edit this sheet at any time, but only the cells with white backgrounds.
To use this sheet, use the drop-down menus in the "Card" column to select cards, and fill in the number of these cards in the "Quantity" column. If you want the deck code to include a mark (not mark card), select it in cell B1.
The code will appear in cell E1 and a link to a deck image will appear in cell G1.
Do not modify anything that is not in one of these three sheets.
Post by: dawn to dusk on October 03, 2014, 02:24:28 am
assuming an average vault of 385 after draft.
-6 players, if we average 13-15 pillars/pends to each player, that means 78-90 which seems too much. maybe 75? (25 pillars, 50 pends or 13 pillars 62 pends?)
-EQ would be good to get with maybe 4 graboids so we can make a decent grabbow i guess though that isnt top priority
-frogs <3 18 maybe? or 15? 24 seems overkill
ill edit with more info soon-ish
Post by: mathman101 on October 04, 2014, 06:43:06 am
- PC will be needed. whether we use steal, deflags, Pulvys, or BE, we may need something to help with shields or pesky weapons.
- graboids of some sort, either plain graboid for earth/life duos or something with novas in a rainbow.
- make some stalls, I think with the larger vault sizes we will have a bit more room for stalls if needed.
not sure what else right now, I'm sure I have other ideas but too tired to think of them right now. I'll be back tomorrow to do more work here :)
Post by: mathman101 on October 06, 2014, 12:41:22 am
I think these are 10 decks that are key war staples in a life arsenal.
:aether :
- Frogtal!
- PUgons
- AdrenaPsions
:darkness :
- Devtosis
:air :
- AdrenaStaves
- WingsStall
:fire :
- firebolt Stall
- Phoenixs (maybe with adren or immos+heals)
:water :
- NT (either for use with spirits or frogs)
:rainbow :
- grabow
:aether :
- Frogtal!
- PUgons
- AdrenaPsions
:darkness :
- Devtosis
:air :
- AdrenaStaves
- WingsStall
:fire :
- firebolt Stall
- Phoenixs (maybe with adren or immos+heals)
:water :
- NT (either for use with spirits or frogs)
:rainbow :
- grabow
These are some more possible ideas, but were not key ones when I first thought of Life War Decks.
:entropy :
- Antimatter stall, probably with Ebonds
:light :
- Creatureless stall (utilizing thorns and sancs/miracles)
- Lucifren hope/ ebonds
- Rustler + mito dragons
:gravity :
- something with upped otys
- adrena chargers
:earth :
- SS Ebond Stall
- mito golems
:time :
- Ebond Pharaoh Stall
:death :
- Poison + Scorps
- Thorns + Death Catcher
In theory these all sound good, but I'm not 100% sure how practical they would all be. So for now I'm just spitballing and brainstorming ideas. ;D
:entropy :
- Antimatter stall, probably with Ebonds
:light :
- Creatureless stall (utilizing thorns and sancs/miracles)
- Lucifren hope/ ebonds
- Rustler + mito dragons
:gravity :
- something with upped otys
- adrena chargers
:earth :
- SS Ebond Stall
- mito golems
:time :
- Ebond Pharaoh Stall
:death :
- Poison + Scorps
- Thorns + Death Catcher
In theory these all sound good, but I'm not 100% sure how practical they would all be. So for now I'm just spitballing and brainstorming ideas. ;D
Post by: Zso_Zso on October 06, 2014, 02:12:06 am
Just one quick deck-idea for now that I did not see used by :life in the previous wars:
It can be tweaked in various ways, e.g. throwing in some feral bonds for healing.
I think everybody expects fast rushes from :life, so they are likely to pack lots of CC. We could counter that with creature-less decks, such as stalls and poison and bolts, but we could also try adding some archangels to a rush deck.
Post by: dawn to dusk on October 06, 2014, 07:13:36 am
War is coming and we (Team :life) must be ready. Here are some playtested decks of mine. Hope they are proven helpful, even as just food for thought, since I have no War experience. I may prepare a more in-depth PM regarding how each of the following deck wors and talk about War in general if I find free time.
Hope I am helpful. See ya! :D
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**Lieutenant:
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**Lieutenant:
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*Soldier:
**Lieutenant:
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Post by: ARTHANASIOS on October 09, 2014, 06:50:22 am
Post by: Zso_Zso on October 09, 2014, 01:46:26 pm
General, please give us marching orders ;)
Post by: mathman101 on October 09, 2014, 03:02:55 pm
I'll wait for more orders from the general before doing too much though ;D
Also I second the team chat idea for a meeting, a titanpad or something similar should probably work.
Post by: ARTHANASIOS on October 09, 2014, 04:05:53 pm
Moreover, I think we need at least 6 copies of each life card because :life is one of the few elements without useless cards and we need them to make our decks. Also, the following cards should be taken at least 12 times each; Emerald Dragon, Horned Frog, Heal, Druidic Staff.
In general, I think the most versatile Life's duo is the :life :darkness duo. That's because Life and Darkness together have an answer to everything and awesome combinations of damage & healing:
* Single target CC (Parasite, Drain Life, sometimes even Mitosis)
* Mass CC (Thorn Carapace)
* % DR shield (Dusk Mantle)
* PC (Steal)
* Reflection (Emerald Shield)
* PC & CC protection (Cloak)
* Grower (Forest Spirit)
* CC-resistant creatures (Burrowed Devourer, Stoneskined Gargoyle, Grown Forest Spirit, Emerald Dragon's health of 6)
* Creature spamming (Mitosis)
* Powerful buffs which work wonders either together or seperated (Adrenaline, Liquid Shadow, Nightfall)
* Agressive healing (Vampires, Stilletos, Black Nymphs, LQs).
* Defensive healing (Heals, Bonds, Staves).
The only thing that totally breaks the :life :darkness comboes are Mass CC spells which are not used very often.
Because of this, I think we should have a small :darkness vault to use it as a surprise factor for later rounds.
Other awesome elements to combo with :life are :air (Animate Weapon, FFQ, EE etc.), :light (Adrenarchangels, Crusaders & Staves, stalls of all sorts etc.), :fire (Firestalls, Explosions, Nature's Wrath etc.), :gravity (Adrenaline & Momentum, MitoGuards etc.), :earth (Stoneskin & Heal stalls, MitoSteel etc.), :water (NT), :aether (PUgons, Frogtal etc.), :entropy (Antimatter & Adrenaline, Fallen Druid, BE), :death (Adrenarsenics, Malignant Bonds etc.) and :time (AdrenaVus, Pharaohs & Bonds etc.). Yeah, every element comboes well with life! :P But :life :darkness has an answer to everything.
Finally, I would like to mention that I am quite dissapointed by the fact Spine Carapace and Jade Shield are greatly underused at War. Both of our shields are awesome and can counter a ton of different things. Two of the greatest menaces in the game, Graboids and Psions, are greatly countered via Spine and Jade respectively.
* A Graboid can remain burrowed to avoid CC, however it can't avoid Fire Shield or Thorn Carapace. However, while it can take some damage from Fire Shield and then emerge completely healed, the poison from Spine Carapace is going to follow a Graboid even after its evolution to Shrieker. So, here it goes...
Turn 1: Graboid is played, it attacks and gets poisoned by Thorns. At the end of 1st turn it has 3 health and 1 poison counter.
Turn 2: Graboid evolves to Shrieker, it takes one damage from poisoning, attacks and gets poisoned again. At the end of the 2nd turn the Shrieker has 2 health and 2 poison counters.
Turn 3: Shrieker attacks one last time before dying from poisoning. Graboid's total life span with Thorns on the field = 3 turns.
Of course, RNG can screw you by letting a creature falling again and again on your Thorns without being poisoned even once! >:(
* Otyughs work very well with Thorns; see, while Fire Shield instakills any creature with a health of 1, Carapaces let such creatures live for another turn, allowing your Otys to feast upon them if they want! Moreover, even fat creatures are reduced to 1 or 2 hps before dying from Thorns, making them a tasty Oty meal.
* Wardens can be extremely annoying when combined with poisoning, because they can delay the poisoned creature till it dies. That's why Iridium Thorns are nasty to mess with. ;)
As for Jade Shield, well, you have a DR of 2 combined with reflection and immaterialism; all in one. What else do you need? By far the most jack-of-all-trades shield in the game, excellent if you can't guess what your opponent is going to bring. ;)
Post by: mathman101 on October 10, 2014, 10:34:19 pm
In response to the card amounts and suggestions ARTH made, I'm cool with going for those suggestions. I'll put some quick calculations in spoiler to give us a rough estimation:
15 pillar/pends x 6 players = 90 cards
13 non-pillar/pend life cards x 6 cards each = 78 cards
4 cards (heal/dragon/dr.Staff/Frog) x 6 cards (added to total 12 each) = 24 cards
90 + 78 + 24 = 198 total life cards in vault
383 - 198 = 185 remaining spots for off element cards
185 off element card spots / 11 off elements = ~16 cards per off element
13 non-pillar/pend life cards x 6 cards each = 78 cards
4 cards (heal/dragon/dr.Staff/Frog) x 6 cards (added to total 12 each) = 24 cards
90 + 78 + 24 = 198 total life cards in vault
383 - 198 = 185 remaining spots for off element cards
185 off element card spots / 11 off elements = ~16 cards per off element
So if we choose to use all 11 off elements we only have enough for 16 cards of each of the off elements( if we are to balance them evenly). I would suggest that we either only use 8 or 9 of the off elements to allow more cards in each (~20 - 23 in each), or that we reduce cards from some to allow for more in others (I'm thinking maybe less in :entropy or :death for more in :darkness or :aether).
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Vault building rules:
- At least 50% of cards must be in your element.
- maximum of 24 per card from your element (restriction doesn't apply to Pillars or Pendulums)
- maximum of 9 per card from other elements
- You may not have Shards or Relics in your vault.
EDIT: Also as a reminder we only have about vault organizing should be done left to finish organizing our vault.
Post by: ARTHANASIOS on October 13, 2014, 05:34:35 pm
Conversion: Teams have the option to convert some of their cards. This means that they can replace any card in their Vault with a Pillar or a Pendulum of their element. Converting helps teams to avoid a situation where they would be otherwise forced to build "suicide" decks. Teams have unlimited conversions each round, including before round 1.
EDIT: I also consulted CUCN. We can even include ZERO life pillars/pends in our vault and create them by converting cards of our vault during our deckbuilding phase (we are going to know our opponents BEFORE the conversion phase of round 1)! So, maybe, just maybe, should we avoid including any life pillar/pend in our vault and buy time till our Round 1 deckbuilding phase? ;)
EDIT#2: Since we have less than a day left, I made a vault within the spoiler below. If no vault is made before the deadline, please use this as our official vault...
MY SUGGESTED VAULT {383 cards}:
Life {193 cards}:
1x Mark of Life
6x Rustler
6x Forest Spirit
6x Life Nymph
6x Thorn Carapace
6x Emerald Shield
12x Empathic Bond
18x Cockatrice
18x Mitosis
18x Horned Frog
18x Heal
18x Druidic Staff
18x Adrenaline
18x Forest Scorpion
24x Emerald Dragon
Entropy {12 cards}:
6x Nova
3x Antimatter
1x Butterfly Effect
2x Purple Nymph
Fire {26 cards}:
6x Fire Pendulum
6x Firebolt
3x Fahrenheit
3x Deflagration
4x Phoenix
2x Rage Potion
2x Rain of Fire
Darkness {33 cards}:
6x Dark Pendulum
6x Steal
6x Cloak
6x Devourer
2x Gargoyle
2x Nightfall
5x Vampire
Time {11 cards}:
5x Deja Vu
2x Eternity
4x Sundial
Aether {32 cards}:
6x Aether Pendulum
4x Fractal
4x Paraller Universe
4x Silence
4x Quintessence
3x Dimensional Shield
1x Lobotomizer
6x Psion
Earth {18 cards}:
3x Earth Pendulum
6x Graboid
4x Shrieker
2x Antlion
1x Enchant Artiface
2x Plate Armor
Water {16 cards}:
2x Water Pillar
2x Water Pendulum
3x Nymph Tears
3x Toadfish
4x Ice Bolt
2x Purify
Gravity {12 cards}:
6x Momentum
6x Sapphire Charger
Air {12 cards}:
6x Flying Weapon
3x Owl Eyes
3x Wings
Light {18 cards}:
6x Crusader
3x Hope
3x Luciferin
3x Sanctuary
3x Light Nymph
Death {0 cards}:
none
Other {0 cards}:
none
Post by: mathman101 on October 14, 2014, 05:18:03 am
EDIT#2: Since we have less than a day left, I made a vault within the spoiler below. If no vault is made before the deadline, please use this as our official vault...
MY SUGGESTED VAULT {383 cards}:
Life {193 cards}:
1x Mark of Life
6x Rustler
6x Forest Spirit
6x Life Nymph
6x Thorn Carapace
6x Emerald Shield
12x Empathic Bond
18x Cockatrice
18x Mitosis
18x Horned Frog
18x Heal
18x Druidic Staff
18x Adrenaline
18x Forest Scorpion
24x Emerald Dragon
Entropy {12 cards}:
6x Nova
3x Antimatter
1x Butterfly Effect
2x Purple Nymph
Fire {26 cards}:
6x Fire Pendulum
6x Firebolt
3x Fahrenheit
3x Deflagration
4x Phoenix
2x Rage Potion
2x Rain of Fire
Darkness {33 cards}:
6x Dark Pendulum
6x Steal
6x Cloak
6x Devourer
2x Gargoyle
2x Nightfall
5x Vampire
Time {11 cards}:
5x Deja Vu
2x Eternity
4x Sundial
Aether {32 cards}:
6x Aether Pendulum
4x Fractal
4x Paraller Universe
4x Silence
4x Quintessence
3x Dimensional Shield
1x Lobotomizer
6x Psion
Earth {18 cards}:
3x Earth Pendulum
6x Graboid
4x Shrieker
2x Antlion
1x Enchant Artiface
2x Plate Armor
Water {16 cards}:
2x Water Pillar
2x Water Pendulum
3x Nymph Tears
3x Toadfish
4x Ice Bolt
2x Purify
Gravity {12 cards}:
6x Momentum
6x Sapphire Charger
Air {12 cards}:
6x Flying Weapon
3x Owl Eyes
3x Wings
Light {18 cards}:
6x Crusader
3x Hope
3x Luciferin
3x Sanctuary
3x Light Nymph
Death {0 cards}:
none
Other {0 cards}:
none
That looks like a good arrangement for our vault, the only things I would like to question is the life pillars/pends? as I see none, are we planning on converting them all during the round 1 deckbuilding phase?
Also I will be back on in about 6-7 hours (after a quick sleep) and can input this into the g-docs if it still needs to be done. I'll try my best to stay on from then until the deadline for finalizing vault, either on laptop or mobile.
Post by: dawn to dusk on October 14, 2014, 05:33:16 am
Post by: ARTHANASIOS on October 14, 2014, 07:14:12 am
It looks great arthan! Though I'm unsure of the off element pends since smart salvaging can render an element useless
We can still convert the off-element pends into Life Pillars or Pends at the deckbuilding phase of each round. ;)
That looks like a good arrangement for our vault, the only things I would like to question is the life pillars/pends? as I see none, are we planning on converting them all during the round 1 deckbuilding phase?
Yes, that's exactly our plan. That way, we are going to convert any cards we don't need to pillars/pends according to the decks we are planning to use at round 1. In other words, we ensure we are not going to have any dead Life Pillars/Pends at round 1. 8)