Vault Planning

[willng3]

Okay so there's a lot of different ways that we could go about doing this.  We could either decide to randomly throw in cards that we think we'll need in the future or we can actually plan decks that work against our opponents and then build the Vault using the cards that go into those decks.

Something tells me option 2 makes much more sense.

If there are cards remaining in the Vault after all of the decks suggested have been added then we can add a few cards that we think we'll need more of in the future.  But first, a few notes:

1)  Nymphs.
I'd like to avoid those completely.  I don't think that everyone has a copy of one particular type of Nymph so there are situations where even if we have the perfect deck to go around that type of Nymph, that a person won't be able to use it.
2)  Off-element Pends/Pillars.
Unless we find a deck that absolutely kills every single thing within its path that uses Pillars/Pends from outside Elements, we shouldn't take these.  In later rounds they become useless, or if we're forced to discard them then that basically means the rest of the deck that relied on them probably won't work half as well as before.
3)  Upcoming update.
1.29 is expected to arrive at some point during the War.  Consequently, this means that certain cards will be nerfed.  While this really won't affect Life much in particular, this might have an effect on what cards we want to take as extras when the Vault nears completion.  Stay up to date on these new changes to the next patch; zanz is still far from sure as to how he's going to balance everything.
4)  Shards.
Not allowed, just thought I'd throw that out there.
5)  Mark cards.
Won't be taking these.  Do any of us even have one of these?
6)  Rares.  One of the factors in picking you guys was in your rare collections.  These are pretty complete, but just pay attention to rares that someone might not have a full set of; we may or may not be able to take them.

[ak65ala]

I feel we should categorize what decks we will anticipate to see and build soft-counter decks.  There was a good post from, someone, somewhere... in which characterized decks in 4 ways. (i'll see if I can dig it up.)  But here is where I see life's weaknesses and where we might be exploited:

Dependent on creatures, leading to CC almost always good against us. Creature dependence leads to shields being very useful at slowing us down.  No CC, PC, we need to keep this in mind when building vault and our 50% life requirements.

Beyond these basics, we can build almost any deck arch-type.  I don't want to see too many one-sided decks either (life rush is great, lets not have half our vault be just that =P)

I agree with willng3 about nymphs, marks.  I don't have any life nymphs (grrrr) and that would be my only choice on a nymph.  As for pillars/pendulums, I have a much different opinion.  I build almost all my dual decks with a split of life pillar, life pendulum, xxx pillar, as needed for quanta balance.  I find pendulums to be way to much of a swing to power half a deck from.  Using their pillars as well stabilizes the flow, splits it into 3 parts away from EQ and allows 70% of a pillar draw to get you the element type you need instead of 100% for life, 30-60% for the other half.  My thought is to add pillars equating to 2-3 QI of our off-color elements in our vault.  I understand that this will fill our vault with 'useless' cards, but if we discard properly it should never be an issue.

Decks/cards I really like and would like to see:

Discord is too strong not to be in a deck or two of ours. Rainbow is needed to counter discord. Love Love the water/life that willng3 and I used in trials. Flying adrenaline staves (numerous types out there). Want a few black holes for when UW comes into the game, held in our pocket till that time Need a good stall or two, creature-less decks are a big help for our meta. We need a good scorpion deck.  My favorite critter.  Our vault wouldn't be complete without them!

Will put on my thinking cap (has been on for a few days) and keep this discussion rolling!

[willng3]

I feel we should categorize what decks we will anticipate to see and build soft-counter decks.

I also considered starting an individual thread for each element and then posting what the scariest decks used by each team were.  Then after that was done, creating decks built to counter those monsters.  However, with the new Vault restrictions this might lead us to wanting to take a lot of decks that we don't have the space for.  I think that categorization system is the right way to go.

Dependent on creatures, leading to CC almost always good against us. Creature dependence leads to shields being very useful at slowing us down.  No CC, PC, we need to keep this in mind when building vault and our 50% life requirements.

Best thing about these weaknesses is that in the appropriate situation, using decks that go against the norm become very disastrous.

As for pillars/pendulums, I have a much different opinion.  I build almost all my dual decks with a split of life pillar, life pendulum, xxx pillar, as needed for quanta balance.  I find pendulums to be way to much of a swing to power half a deck from.  Using their pillars as well stabilizes the flow, splits it into 3 parts away from EQ and allows 70% of a pillar draw to get you the element type you need instead of 100% for life, 30-60% for the other half.  My thought is to add pillars equating to 2-3 QI of our off-color elements in our vault.  I understand that this will fill our vault with 'useless' cards, but if we discard properly it should never be an issue.

I had also neglected to account for the 24 starting discard which means that off-pillar consequences likely aren't going to be as detrimental this time around.

Decks/cards I really like and would like to see:

Discord is too strong not to be in a deck or two of ours. Rainbow is needed to counter discord. Love Love the water/life that willng3 and I used in trials. Flying adrenaline staves (numerous types out there). Want a few black holes for when UW comes into the game, held in our pocket till that time Need a good stall or two, creature-less decks are a big help for our meta. We need a good scorpion deck.  My favorite critter.  Our vault wouldn't be complete without them!

I agree with all of these points.  pika showed me a Discord/BH deck yesterday that may or may not be something worth looking into (or if nothing else it can be a deck of scraps built from remains of other decks :D)

Here are the decks I've marked as DO WANT on my list so far:
Life Grabbybow:

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Savior of Team Life during War #2.  Cool thing is that if we play our cards right then 1 more Graboid and 1 more Adrenaline guarantees a +100HP hit.  This could be useful against all of the Sancstalls running around.
Life Waterbow

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So much diversity in this deck and it's very effective in normal PvP as well.  You can customize it in multiple ways, but keep in mind that if Deflag gets nerfed that they'll likely need to be replaced with Momentums or something.
Cryothorn

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Modification of ak's deck used against me in Trials 'cause it's so win.  Purifies disable Poison pretty well.  May or may not be a good deck to counter with.  LOTS of Squids though, those can be exchanged for Ice Shields probably if needed.
Mutant rush

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Elves double as both CC and Adrenaline targets.  Discord stalls quite nicely.  Posting this mainly because I have a reputation for hating Mutation so it's pretty unexpected.
And here are two other deck ideas that are just weird and may or may not work:
Immo-light

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Kind of a diversion tactic.  Opponent thinks it's a normally Rustler + ZOMG LIFE QUANTA SPAM deck until the Immo appears.  Unfortunately if Immo gets nerfed then this deck is pretty much useless.
Immo Duo

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Not much we can do with Immo, but I think this is about the best.  Again, if Immo gets nerfed then this deck will cry itself to sleep.
There's a lot of other decks I haven't posted because they're classic duos.  I'll probably post these later after more feedback.

[LifeLockable]

I agree with all your points guys, I for one only have two nymphs, fire and air lol while that would be good for team air not very good here at all

now I also have a few decks that I quite like for my week od life training, most of them are monos or duo however

Frogs of hope

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Fractal scorpions

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Life Firestall

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Spirit of the Forest

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Between the Void of Life and Death

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[pikachufan2164]

Some stuff I've been working on:

Disc/BH Trio

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Still prone to borked draws, but about as stable as I can get it to be. Modded from Death's version.
Aflastall

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Has problems with sturdier rushes and mid-range decks (Fractal Chargers, Tsunami, etc.) and might not fare too well against brittler but faster rushes.

[ak65ala]

Some stuff I've been working on:

Aflastall

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Has problems with sturdier rushes and mid-range decks (Fractal Chargers, Tsunami, etc.) and might not fare too well against brittler but faster rushes.

I LOVE aflatoxin & life.  However, I still have not found the right combination of healing, stall, CC & speed to suit the competitive PvP environment.  Maybe we can pull it out as a total shocker deck and win the hearts and minds of our enemies? hahaa, we'll see.

[Isei]

I'm not much for building my own decks, but I do still like working with them, so I'll help with whatever I can...

Will, do you think the mutant deck would be better off with some novas?  Being able to use the mutants' abilities is a pretty nice boon. 

[willng3]

Will, do you think the mutant deck would be better off with some novas?  Being able to use the mutants' abilities is a pretty nice boon.

I think if we decided to go with Fallen Druids then this would be a good plan, but with the Elves I wouldn't risk killing the Frogs from Mutation.  I'll mess around with a separate version with Druids and Nova.

[LifeLockable]

what if you mitosed the frogs? wouldnt that lead to a good deathproof swarm?

[The_Mormegil]

2)  Off-element Pends/Pillars.
Unless we find a deck that absolutely kills every single thing within its path that uses Pillars/Pends from outside Elements, we shouldn't take these.  In later rounds they become useless, or if we're forced to discard them then that basically means the rest of the deck that relied on them probably won't work half as well as before.

You know, I've been thinking about this since last War. The 24 cards discard also factored in. I think there are some good points in having some of these in our Vault.

Take a duo deck that relies a lot on another element. I'll produce a random deck as an example.

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Absolutely random deck which we will probably never use but whatever. The idea is: we have a deck like this, with very little need for Life quanta (only 2-cost cards) and much more need for earth quanta. A deck like this:

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Seems like it has a better quanta balance all around. [Note: the example might even be wrong, but it doesn't really matter; the point works as long as we have some decks that rely on off-element cards more than on in-element cards - and this is likely since Life has a lot of low-cost cards. Dragons might be randomly added to any deck to round out the quanta balance, true, but I don't really like adding random dragons to decks that would be better off without them].

We had a few of similar decks with Air last War. Some of them (CataTitans) were even pretty good. So, what is the problem of taking some off-element pendulums (pends > pillars, but we could split) in our Vault?

1) Vault space. The most important drawback. However, having some off-element pends INSTEAD of in-element ones partially solves this, as long as their number is limited. Remember we can convert them right away when we don't need them anymore.

2) Later rounds. Since we're going to discard off-element cards far sooner than in-element ones, we are also going to lose the need for these cards. However, if we actually play them, we either win (keeping the whole deck and potentially converting these into Life pillars or pendulums) or lose (discarding these, since we must discard 24 cards).

All considered, if we are planning to use some off-element heavy decks, we probably won't regret taking some of these. We can dispose them very easily whenever we don't want them anymore.

Want a few black holes for when UW comes into the game, held in our pocket till that time

Word. One of the best ideas we had last War (thanks to jippy, who was on UW on War 2).

I also considered starting an individual thread for each element and then posting what the scariest decks used by each team were.  Then after that was done, creating decks built to counter those monsters.  However, with the new Vault restrictions this might lead us to wanting to take a lot of decks that we don't have the space for.  I think that categorization system is the right way to go.

I think that this War is going to be VERY different from last ones. The 24 cards discard not only destroys whole decks when they lose, but allows to save exactly 6 cards from a typical deck.
This is very important, as it practically makes teams save key cards (most likely in-element ones to avoid sacrifices) whenever they lose. This goes for both us and our opponents. I think having a broad discussion/list of key cards in each element and our counters to it is going to be important. Also, I think we'll need some good deck archetypes to splash salvage into, as in later rounds we'll probably lose most of our starting Vault and will need to fall back on what we have. Preparing some backup plans seems like a good idea.




As for decks. I prepared a few (pretty bad) decks. Funny enough, I had about the same idea as Pika about the DBH deck. It worked well for Death last War, and I can BET pretty much every team that can pull it off this time WILL pull it off. I think we'll see it from Darkness, Death, Earth, Entropy, Gravity, Time, Water (Nymphcord), maybe even Fire and Aether. They can do something quite similar to what Death did last time.

Bad DBH is Bad:

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Notes: quanta balance screwed - low on Gravity, high on Entropy...

Creatureless Decker:

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Notes: pretty bad deck, but has surprise effect. Can splash some dragons.

Poison Punch:

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Notes: the idea is not to focus too much on Poison while still using it.

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Adrenascorpion Rush:

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Notes: banal.

AdrenaQuakes:

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EarthStall:

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Notes: bad deck.

Your Rush is Slower:

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Notes: I don’t know if this can work. Like, at all.

My Take on Firestall:

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Why Not?

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Crazy Stupid MitoCrusaders:

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Phat Ztall:

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Wings Works:

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Adrenastaves:

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AdrenaMitoDevs:

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Another Bolt Stall:

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General Fractal:

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Anti-CC Duo Dragon:

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Classic Grabbow:

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Less Classic Grabbow:

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Notes: can be a real shocker, but with best of 5 surprise effect doesn’t really count.

SNova Bow:

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ImmoRustler:

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Pepoker:

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Stallbreaker:

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Bad FFQ:

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Anti-Air?:

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Bad UG deck:

by The Mormegil

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MitoRoL:

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Yet Another Firestall

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[willng3]

Lots of good deck ideas coming in.  I'm still in the process of finding good duo combos to exploit, but eventually I'll sit down and take a look at what decks look like real winners for the War atmosphere.  Ignore what I said about not including off-element Pends/Pillars at the moment; they could be quite useful to us this War.

However this deck fascinates me at the moment.  I haven't tested it yet, but it intrigues me for some reason.

by willng3

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Dumping off a few more decks:
Wings OTK

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Wings counters Grabbows pretty hard.  Actually it counters most of Earth's decks pretty hard in general.  In the event that the deck runs into a stall of some type, Sky Blitz is there for OTK possibilities.  Mitosis added just for the threat of Stone Skin or CC that actually manages to kill the Dragons.

AdrenaVamps

by willng3

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Darkness used their own AdrenaVamp variant that caused absolute hell for Aether last War mainly because we were so concerned with running into a Sancstall of some type and didn't prepare very well for this (plus RNG, but that's a different story).  If we can pull the same kind of mind game here then it would probably work to our advantage.  It's weak against Immaterial Shields and Mass CC...not much else, although the combo can take a while to set up if draws suck.

Devosis

by willng3

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Posting this just for the heck of it.  Personally I'm not sure if we should take one of these types of decks this time due to all the ImmoRushes, Grabbows, and Sancstalls running around.  It would probably smash Gravity, but not much else.

Druid rush

by willng3

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Modified version of the Mutation rush I posted earlier.  I added Novas as requested and also threw in Mitosis just for Mutation factory ability.  I was surprised that I traded out Adrenaline, but the deck actually fares pretty well without it.  It's fun getting things like Black Dragons with Deja Vu, but it sucks getting Immaterial 0/1 Vultures.  Pounds AI3 nicely.

Scorp Half-stall

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Bone Wall's pretty expensive so it's hard getting a deck to function right with it while still not considering upgrades.  This is weak to PC, but the Bone Walls help make up for normal weakness to CC a bit.

Mito-Armagio

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Now this one is intriguing.  Added Accelerations because of the possibility of facing decks with high amounts of PC, but they could just as easily be replaced by Chargers, Otys, etc.  Having the ability to reproduce 25HP damage absorbing shields is not something to be taken lightly.

Frogtal

by willng3

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May as well post this.  The problem with this deck is that even partially unupped it's a risk to play.  With a full set of Giant Frogs you don't have to worry about much, but in this case the lack of 2 attack is really, really inhibiting the deck's speed.  I'd consider using this or any variants as a General/Lt. deck and not much else.
I'm currently working on an unupped Scorpion Fractal deck.  Will continue watching this topic for additional feedback.

[TheCrazyMango]

i messed around with a deck thats a cross between uusem and mitoscorps. it was fast, consistant, and won me some electrum when i posted it in gold league. i cant post the deck image now cause my laptop be borkin, but it was basically 12ish light pillars, 6 rustlers, 5 scorps(3 of which can be upgraded)4 mitosis, and then bonds to round out the 35 cards.