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Strategy List: Gravity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14182.msg179089#msg179089
« on: October 18, 2010, 03:46:50 pm »
Gravity certainly has unusual tactics at it's disposal.  They may be quite surprising.

Strengths:
-Momentum!:  Gravity has the dangerous ability to bypass shields, which means Healing will be more important than ever for us.  Momentum, Titan, Chimera, Charger

-HIGH HP Creatures:  Gravity has some of the bulkiest creatures in the game.  Combining these guys with Gravity Pull is annoying.  Several types of CC are next to useless though.  Armagio, Colossal Dragon, Chimera, Otyugh.

-Shields:  Gravity Shield, while underestimated, is still powerful.  Not much of a concern against us, however, as only Emerald Dragon would be stopped by it.

-Growing Creatures:  Impedes our ability to stall, which is not nice.  Graviton Fire Eater, Otugh.

-Creature Control:  Gravity Pull is pretty lame for CC, but it should not be neglected.  Otyugh, however, is a much greater concern.

-Quanta Denial:  Black Hole is inefficient against monos / duos, but with the right strategy it could be a menace.

-Rushers:  :gravity definitely can't rush like we can, but it still has this ability.  Graviton Mercenary, Graviton Fire Eater.

-Healing:  Black Hole also has the unfortunate healing side effect, not efficient, but still existent.


Weaknesses:
-No Permanent Control:  Even though Momentum gets through shields, other permanents are safe to use which is a huge plus.

-Lack of Heavy Hitters:  Gravity has the worst dragon (in terms of attack) in the game, and Chimera is just meh.  While shields may not be useful in this case, Healing is a definite advantage.

-Slow set up:  :gravity is primarily a defensive element, and defenses can take time to get set up effectively.  As shown in most duels versus the Gravity Elder, rushes can pass through easily.

-Lack of Creature Control:  Gravity has only one real method of CC at its disposal, which means that rushes are fairly safe here.  In saying that, however, this in turn means we can expect a pairing with an element that specializes in CC to counter this weakness. 


Rushes still seem like a good route to take here.  We should probably make a more defensive route though, adding Heals and such would be a good idea.  Let's also remember that Momentum is Lobotomize-able, so I'm thinking that a Frogtal variation could be a useful option.

Most likely synergies:
:gravity / :fire:  This one scares me the most because it counters the most likely strategy to be used against :gravity so easily.  Fire Eaters, Fire Spirits, Lava Golems, Otyughs, dangerous CC (especially Fire Shield in this case)...yeah we need to think about this one.
:gravity / :light:  This one's kind of meh, but it's worth mentioning.  Angels + Armagio, Blessing + Oty, plus the terrible threat of Miracle is a good stall tactic.
:gravity / :entropy:  I don't like this one either...hard to counter and just plain evil.  Discord + Blackhole.
:gravity / :death:  Otyugh + Vulture + Boneyard + Bonewall.  Pretty mean.  Momentum + Deathstalker is meh.
:gravity / :life:  These have been discussed, and I don't expect many of these to be used against us.
:gravity / :air:  Flying Weapon + Gravity Pull + Titan?  Hey, it's possible.
:gravity / :earth:  Pulverizer, Shriekers, etc. (see Obliterator).

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Re: Strategy List: Gravity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14182.msg179140#msg179140
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2010, 05:31:31 pm »
 :life/ :entropy could be a possibility. A mutation can ruin things like a gravity pulled armagio or a chimera. Furthermore, Antimatter is your friend against a momentumed creature, like a charger, dragon or chimera.

Only  :gravity/ :fire really scares me. Fire eaters can grow their way out of antimatter. But This is another great reason to go to the lobotomy deck mentioned above. Gravity pull is not lobotomizable once cast which we should remember.

Another deadly deck possibility:

:gravity/ :earth  - Blackhole + Earthquake and Otyugh + Armor

This kind of scares me. If we rely on all pendulums an earthquake blackhole deck could ruin us. Also, the oty + armor can eat everything but our dragon. The good news is scorpions will at least make the oty pay for it and buy us some time. Still afraid of EQ + BH though.

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Re: Strategy List: Gravity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14182.msg179168#msg179168
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2010, 06:19:26 pm »
 :gravity deck from the last war:

  :gravity/ :darkness (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,8226.0.html)

here we might face our first really uber deck from the last war:

 :earth/ :gravity or (:earth/ :gravity).
im talking about this nasty deck (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,7744.0.html).

im still thinking about a counter to this one, but a few ideas:
fractal/cocatrice + lightnings (as Gl1tch mentioned)
monumentumed, adrenalined scorpions + heals (risky 3 card combo)
deckout -- just keep the dmg stuff neutralized (maybe antimatter and adrenaline?)
or as mentioned lobo/dimshield stall


 :gravity/ :fire:
also a nasty combo, but fire eaters eat alot of fire.
froctal can be doable here (firestorm needs 7! quanta, if they want use it and growing fire eaters...) but there would be still the oty/fireshield combo. -> lets take some lightnings




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Re: Strategy List: Gravity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14182.msg179169#msg179169
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2010, 06:25:35 pm »
I'm glad that you're taking the time to look up decks used in previous wars hrmmm because I've been doing the same for about the past...20 minutes(?) and it's eating up my time spent on posting strategy lists :P

I can see that :gravity / :earth possesses even more synergy than I had originally perceived, the suggestions provided sound like good methods for neutralizing them, however.
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Re: Strategy List: Gravity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14182.msg179175#msg179175
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2010, 06:39:13 pm »
np willing3  :P
hrmmm helps if he can ^^
anyways i coudn't found  :life vs :entropy matchups.
seems there was no entropy duel in the last war. please correct me if im wrong,

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Re: Strategy List: Gravity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14182.msg179183#msg179183
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2010, 06:48:01 pm »
Indeed, I came to the same conclusion when searching...this is unfortunate.
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Re: Strategy List: Gravity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14182.msg182345#msg182345
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2010, 12:54:15 am »
gravity fight against:
 :death 2x
 :light 2x general
 :air
 :earth
 :fire general
 :darkness

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Re: Strategy List: Gravity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14182.msg183406#msg183406
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2010, 08:49:06 am »
i think its a good thing that gravity need to fight 2x  :death.
means they might need some buffs there, for creature protect and cc against creature spam (plague, virus, aflatoxin, mummy/spider spam).

 :life/ :aether froctal/cc deck?

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Re: Strategy List: Gravity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14182.msg183891#msg183891
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2010, 10:08:33 pm »
since there is no other suggestion then a fractal, let me make a deck:

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5bu 5bu 5bu 5c0 5c0 5c0 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 61q 61q 61q 61q 61q 61q 622 622 622 622 622
lightning can also be used on opponents hp to finish.


we would need to replace 3 frogs from other decks we allready made.

i think daxx's or wizelsnarf's deck could switch some of the frogs with dragons.

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Re: Strategy List: Gravity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14182.msg183911#msg183911
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2010, 10:26:29 pm »
I feel like we have to use our darkness deck somewhere  and steals might be the way to go against gravity.

Stealing a discord could ruin a discord/blackhole deck. Stealing gravity or Titanium shield could help stop a  :gravity/ :earth lockout deck.

I was messing around an we need to use our vampires in the deck. Unfortunately we are low on adren but I think we still have 4.

I WISH we took more vamps into the vault. Vampire + adren = Win. Vamp + Adren + Nightfall = WON.

I don't like the stall deck posted earlier. It is toothless and slow. Here is my tweaking of it.
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5c0 5c0 5c0 5c0 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c7 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5up 5up 5up 5up 5uq 5uq 5us 5us 5us 5us 5ut 5ut

Drain life is for CC primarily (Not to be your win card unless its the final blow).

Adren can go on your vamps or your devourers.

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Re: Strategy List: Gravity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14182.msg183933#msg183933
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2010, 10:57:12 pm »
if they use the one nasty  :earth / :gravity deck, they will have enchant artifact to protect the shield  :-\

of corse discord will! hurt a fractal deck.
but they might need discord against  :light

and remember we need 2 more decks:

 :gravity counter
 :entropy counter

i think your deck / tweak will fit nice for willing3's entropy fight.

and we have another problem:
we are out of  :life creatures.
only 3 cockatrice left for 2 decks.

i made a list on the decks round 1 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14112.0.html) post.

Re: Strategy List: Gravity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14182.msg183958#msg183958
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2010, 11:19:17 pm »
This is my version of hrmmms deck for me.

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5bu 5bu 5bu 5c0 5c0 5c0 5c5 5c6 5c6 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 61q 61q 622 622 622 622 622 622

 

anything
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