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Round 7 Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41091.msg508907#msg508907
« on: June 08, 2012, 06:19:10 am »
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Deckbuilding:
Duel phase has started

Duels:
Round has ended




Spoiler for Discards:
None.

Spoiler for Salvaging:
We can salvage 6 cards from the following:

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5lk 5lk 5rl 5rl 5ro 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 61t 61t 61t 622 622 622 7jp 7jp 7jp 7jp 7q5 8pu


In addition, the Chaos Lord event has given us 1 Deflag, 1 Fire Pend and 1 Crusader...yay.



Spoiler for Event Card:
Event Card:





Notes:
- Generals (and Generals only) should create a "Round 7 Event Card decision" thread in their secret section containing a prediction for each opponent as well as which cards will be upgraded if the prediction is correct.
- If your prediction is correct, your post in the battle results thread should contain both the original deck from your vault doc as well as the deck using three additional upgrades specified in your "Round 7 Event Card decision" thread.
- Thanks to Kuroaitou for the idea.

Spoiler for Match-ups:
12:life Gen. willng3vs:aether 3
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Spoiler for Support Team Matches:
:darkness Poker Alho attacks :life (X players set to defend)
:life Kai attacks :darkness (X players set to defend)
:life drolly attacks :fire (X players set to defend)
:life Belligerence attacks :fire (X players set to defend)
« Last Edit: June 09, 2012, 04:10:58 am by willng3 »
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Re: Round 7 Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41091.msg508919#msg508919
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2012, 07:13:23 am »
This round pairs me against Aether which looks like yet another daunting uphill battle from a brief overview of the current situation.

Aether has 125 cards remaining in their vault.

Last round they used the following decks:
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5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 61o 61o 61o 61o 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 622 622 622 622 63a 63a 7ta 7ta 808 808 808 808 80g 81q 81q 8pt

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5up 5up 5up 5up 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61q 61q 61q 61q 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 622 622 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 7td 7td 81q 8pt

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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 55q 55q 590 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61r 61r 61r 61r 61r 61r 63a 63a 63a 77g 77g 77g 77g 7dm 7dm 8pm

Which comprises 90 of their 125 cards.  18 more are going to be from salvages.  This results in 17 unknown cards.  They have matches against :air and :time as well.

Of the decks Aether has remaining I'm fully expecting a Devtal of some sort to be used against us.  Dims are going to be rampant, and we can probably expect Steals as well.  Air has access to a Sanc stall and a Grabbow, Time has 2 Novabows at their disposal; it's undoubtedly their best option to use it against us.

Now, countering Devtal is going to be fairly tricky, especially if it's using Dims.  Devs will drain our quanta needed to Fractal spam or Silence our way to victory, and Dims will be used with this to make sure they can't be touched by our Frogs.  Silences are required.  The rest is...still to be determined.  Fortunately even without the event card I have access to 11 upgrades, meaning that we can get some early quanta generation from Pends to counter the Devourers.  The remainder of the deck will need to be focused on our win condition, which at the present moment appears will have to be through damage alone, but there is another possibility...  Our salvage against Time grants us the possibility of adding 2 Hope and 4 RoL to my deck.  If we add these cards then we will be able to add deck out as a possible win condition.  However, the drawbacks of using this as a strategy will be huge.  For one, the odds of drawing a Hope are not good and two, if either RoL, Hope, or Fractal comes too late then we'll almost certainly get quanta denied by the Devs before we can wall them.

For now I believe that a Frogtal stripped of Dims and Lightnings which focuses solely on Fractal spamming and Silencing for victory will be needed.  It's predictable, but it seems to be our best chance at the moment.  But before I get ahead of myself, I should mention that Aether has the possibility of salvaging 6 Sancs and 2 Miracles from Fire and 5 Archangels from Light.  Though I don't think that we'll see that from them given their current situation, it's still a considerable threat if they do use it.

I will conduct a fair amount of testing to see if any breakthroughs appear or not.

Salvages:  Unless we go the RoL/Hope route against Aether we may as well just salvage all of the Aether cards from Time.  At the moment they're the only cards we'll be able to use and we can convert any extra copies of what we already have as needed.

Event card:  We'll probably be betting either 30 or 31 cards on this, 30 seems logical.  Spare upgrades should probably go to Pends.

Final note:  We're actually starting to approach the point where we're able to field 2 separate decks again during the duel phase.  From a strategical standpoint it would be in our best interest to avoid this since we literally cannot have 2 separate functioning decks, so I'm going to throw out the idea of claiming no salvage for each of our duels from henceforth to prevent another Event Card like last Round's from potentially screwing us up.
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Re: Round 7 Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41091.msg509309#msg509309
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2012, 04:08:40 am »
Well I've pretty much determined this is going to be an all-or-nothing match-up due to the two decks being impossible for me test against each other accurately and RNG needing to be in our favor in order to win.  Even with a poor starting draw Devtal is still able to come back and lock Frogtal down, they just need to hide behind Dims and then Fractal at the right moment.  I've tested against the variant with 6 Dims used last round and the results aren't pretty, even accounting for the inaccuracies caused by the AI's poor playing style.  So, I'm going to say that we should go with this variant since there doesn't seem to be a better alternative at the moment:
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We're going to need to do a bit of converting to get to that Pend amount, but I think that converting 4 of our salvage from Time should be fine.
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Re: Round 7 Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41091.msg509333#msg509333
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2012, 05:27:41 am »
We can also convert the cards Chaos Lord gave us - one Deflag isn't much use to us, and there's no way we'll use the fire pendulum or crusader. If I've got my card theory right then having three extra upgrades is roughly the equivalent of having one fewer cards in your deck. So if Aether guess that we'll bring 30 cards then picking 30 or 31 cards won't make much difference. With only 13 non-pillar cards and the absolute vitality of every card we can get, a 30 card deck is a must.
Going with that line of thought we should predict aether will bring a 30 card deck. Any extra cards will make their draw that little bit worse, which is just as important for them as us.

We've still one full salvage up our aleeves bedore we hot 2-deck territory. However, aether don't have much salvage that would be use to us, we've already got all the dims and fractals we need, and their chances of brining Lightnings or silences are pretty low.

I'm rather limited for time this weekend, but I don't think there's too much else to do (aside from support battles).
« Last Edit: June 10, 2012, 12:14:59 pm by Helston »
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Re: Round 7 Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41091.msg509698#msg509698
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2012, 12:15:05 pm »
Here's our thingoes for the round:

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Spoiler for General's Salvage/Discard:
Cards Available#Salvaged
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Hope2
Eternity1
Time Pendulum15
Dimensional Shield31
Fractal32
Photon4
Golden Hourglass33
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3 Golden Hourglasses, 1 Crusader converted to life pendulums.

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I reckon we ask for no salvage, and predict a 30-card deck being used by aether. Haven't had time to get any support testing done (or matches, etc.), and that won't be changing before the round ends.

I'm not going to be back before the end of the round now, so any other changes are up to someone else.
« Last Edit: June 10, 2012, 12:53:17 pm by Helston »
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