Round 5 Discussion

[willng3]

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Deckbuilding:
Duel phase has started

Duels:
Fighting ends!

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-27 from Bell's deck:

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-26 from n00b's deck:

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-27 from math's deck

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-27 from Will's deck

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+6 from nen's duel versus Time:

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nensuru

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Gen. mesaprotector

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Gen. willng3

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Gen. majofa

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Blacksmith

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UnderneathTheLens

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Rutarete

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mathman101

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valuka

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Belligerence

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[mathman101]

Looking at the Support Battles:


cards we cannot use:

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cards  cannot use:

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cards  cannot use:

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4vh 4vj 4vl 55t 590 595 5lf 5og 61q 622 8pt

cards  cannot use:

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I will try to post more later with some ideas on discard/salvage/conversion and decks for the other match-ups.

[nensuru]

We got 2 decks from now on, adrenatitans/adrenastaves and frogtal are the best to keep imo

[UnderneathTheLens]

Aren't we salvaging from

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?

You have nen's deck posted there.

[UnderneathTheLens]

And if we're keeping adrenatitans and frogtal, I would suggest adrenatitans against light (they have hope and tit shield) and frogtal against water.

[willng3]

Agreed.  Frogtal's going to be really obvious, so Water's most likely going to prepare a counter for it, but Light's most likely going to do the exact same so it's a losing situation no matter how you look at it.  And AdrenaTitans hasn't been used in so long that in addition to us discarding AdrenaStaves, I'd be surprised if people think we can still use it.

I've gotten through discards/salvages/conversions.  This is what we're left with:

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4 Lightning
6 Dim Shield
3 Silences
8 Fractal
5 Flying Weapon
3 Gravity Pull
6 Titan
26 Life Pends
11 Horned Frog
6 Adrenaline
4 Mitosis

(Salvaged 6 Poisons and converted them to Life Pends)

The way this is set up allows us to be able to lose with Frogtal this round and still potentially play another one next round, which should be completely unexpected and absolutely terrifying.  These are the two sample builds that we can use for this round:

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AdrenaTitans is at 31 cards just because I really feel uncomfortable with using that deck with only 11 Pends.  The added card shouldn't screw with draws as much as 11 Pends would.

For Frogtal we have several different options as we can use any combination of the Aether cards we have.  However, Water is without a doubt going to prepare for Dim Shields, which means taking a deck with 6 of them is not a good idea.  It may actually be a better idea to remove the Dims completely and go with 17 Pends, but in either case I'd be worried about the Darkness duo using Steals/Nightmares to counter us.  I can work around Nightmare with a Fractal deck, but it's going to cut down my speed a bit in order to do it.

We also have a Relic we can toss into one of our decks.

I'll post my thoughts on what to do in our support battles in a bit.

[willng3]

- The decks that I would expect them to use from looking at what cards are available to them are a Grabbow, Immorush, Firestall, or PUgons.  It's going to be extremely hard for them to use anything with Crusaders since rare weapons are banned from support matches.  There's a lot of different deck options for us to use here, but none of them strikes me as being able to handle all 4 of the decks that I've listed.  An Entropy stall defeats all but Firestall, I think.

- Seeing as how our last deck worked so well I'd expect them to try and form a counter for it this round.  But without Fractal, that's going to be much easier said than done.  They could use PUgons to counter it, I suppose.  Devtosis might actually work very well here.

- Lots of options for them.  Again, PUgons and anything with Fractal is a threat.  We could try Devtosis here as well, but I don't know how likely a deck packed with CC or a rush is going to be.

[mathman101]

looking at the support battles a few ideas come to mind (even if some of them are bad ideas)


maybe a version of adrenascorps with momentums and chargers splashed in. or maybe blessings and angels splashed in instead. (maybe  or  )

devourers and mitosis could be useful somewhere. add adrenaline+vamps splashed in.maybe. (maybe  or  )

we don't have nova, so no grabow. but can we maybe a modified version with life pends, graboids, stone skin, and heals. some kind of stall maybe?  (maybe  )

not sure if this is a smart idea as we don't have dims/PU/fractals/lightnings/silence, but maybe some kind of mitosis psion deck. (no idea, this just popped in my head last minute)



i realize i am posting a little late to the deadline, and that these are just ideas right now, but i will try to test a few of them tonight and post something in the morning if i can.

[Belligerence]

Alright guys, I didn't expect for this to happen so... suddenly.

I honestly regret having to do this midwar, but some life events have led to me being unable to devote much time to computer games... Elements included. Simply put, I'll be taking my leave. This is... something I have to do. I can't just keep putting stuff off for the sake of a game. I've been inactive the past few days because I've had something person come up, something I've been waiting a very long time for. I'll leave the formalities for the farewell forum, but I'd like to say thank you to all of you.

I had originally typed out a long statement about why I'm going, and how I've had fun... but I shouldn't have to say I've had fun, not when I was playing this game with the purpose of having fun to begin with. As for why I'm going, life is calling... and it's not the element this time around.

I wish you guys the best of luck with the remainder of War. I'd love to see it through to its conclusion, good or bad, but I can't. I hope I'll see at least some of you in the future, because I'll definitely be back again when the dust settles down.

[willng3]

Later, brah.

Decks and stuff:

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UnderneathTheLens versus Blacksmith:

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Belligerence versus valuka:

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mathman101 versus Rutarette:

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Just gonna note that for Devtosis you absolutely have to hold off on playing Black Dragons unless you either know for a fact that the opponent doesn't have CC or they don't have the quanta to play anything.  Also, don't play Mitosis on anything unless you can spawn a new creature on that turn (in other words, don't play Mitosis on something that you JUST played on the field that turn).

With Bell's absence we'll need a sub for him this round.  However, we won't need to permanently replace him since we'll always be 1 member short each round and can have Bell fill that spot.