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Round 3 Deck Testing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40059.msg497157#msg497157
« on: May 12, 2012, 11:15:17 am »
Chuck any test results here. Might help if I gave the topic the right name.
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Re: Round 3 Deck Testing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40059.msg497163#msg497163
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2012, 12:08:37 pm »
Adrenatitans vs :light
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Hard counters PUgon with Dims, appears to have a slight advantage over RoL/Hope, loses to Sader decks and The Immortal.

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PUgon (defensive)
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2-0, didn't really need to test this one any further, it's pretty obvious looking at the decks who's got the upper hand provided you hold back your adrenalines.

PUgon (offensive)
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5-5. This is very even, although I imagine it'd be harder against a human who could easily be holding back on PUs, or bluffing. Takes some very nice topdecking to win, especially since the opponent has 12 cards of 10+ damage.

RoL/Hope with Silences
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2-0. Wouldn't be surprised if the results were more like the ones with Lobos if I played it out more.

RoL/Hope with Lobotomizers (Same deck, replace the Silences.)
6-4 . The Lobos were annoying, but they were very rarely a factor. Even in my losses were the AI played one, it still would've won without it. It really comes down to how effective your opponent's Fractals are, and how quickly they can play them.

Vader Saders
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1-4. Doesn't counter it at all, the Saders with Momentum combined with the Stilettos for healing are just too much.

Titan Saders
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4-1. This deck seemed a lot slower than the Vaders, but surprisingly it has slightly more Light quanta production. A human would've played it much better than the AI, as the AI prioritises more Crusaders over Endowing. I definitely would've lost at least one more to a human, probably more. The benefits of this vs Vader Saders is that Titans are a slightly smaller net gain with regards to how much damage they do, and you don't have to hold back on Titans due to steals.

I'd rather not test this deck vs Eternity Saders

The Immortal
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1-3. I went 3-2 from the Adrenatitan's point of view but it was pretty obvious the AI wasn't playing The Immortal well enough, so I gave the AI Adrenatitans and had my fears confirmed. The good news is this lost in round 1, but Light could very well still have it kicking around.

Going with a different tack, I'm trying out our Devtosis.

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Might be better off running with upped or extra Steals, in case of splashed in sancs.

Vader Saders
3-1. Much better results. The only loss when I didn't draw a Devourer for about half my deck or more. Came close thanks to Mitosis on a Black Dragon, though.

Titan Saders
3-0. Don't know why I bothered, it's Vader Saders but uses more quanta.

PUgon (Defensive)
3-0. Never played a non-pillar, non-silence card.

PUgon (Offensive)
3-1. A bit closer, but that loss was from a 1-pillar start. Might have to deck it out.

RoL/Hope
6-0. It's very hard to stop the first fractal, but they're too expensive to get off a second one. All six of those wins were deckouts (stopped once I got to lockdown), because I needed a lot of Devourers to make sure the quanta stayed down. If it's running Lobos stealing them takes priority over stealing pillars (whihc is otherwise very useful) and playing Mitosis, lest they slow down the Devourer production. Played 3 matches against both Silence and Lobotomizer.

At this point I say we use Devtosis rather than Adrenatitans.

The Immortal
5-5. Really need to take four steals so you've got the best chance possible of nabbing as many sanctuaries as you can, and later Shields, but thanks to their quanta distribution it's a dead even match. Half the time you can get a lockdown, the other half you can't. Considering Sanctuary's a hard counter to Devourers, 5-5 is a fantastic result. I could hardly believe it myself. Need to test the deck with extra steals versus a couple of the other decks, but it shouldn't make too much difference. It might even be helpful as that little bit of extra denial.

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