Round 3 Discussion

[mathman101]

I took a bit of a better look at the vault and came up with a possible idea. (after i finished i realized will's ideas for discards/salvages were still in the gdocs)
again most of this is everyone else's idea, with a few of my thoughts thrown in.

Spoiler for salvage:

this is based off of what will had inputted into gdocs for salvages:
3 discord, 1 adren, 2 fog shield
2 steal, 2 nightmare, 2 stilleto

Spoiler for discard:

this is based off of what will had inputted into gdocs for discards:
2 chimera, 1 dragon, 2 mitosis, 10 dragon
5 pendulems, 2 deflags, 3 frogs, 5 phoenix
7 pillars, 4 adren, 4 pendulems
4 heal, 2 fire pillars, 4 potions, 2 fire pendulems, 1 emerald shield

Spoiler for conversion:

This I'm not to sure about, but i'm kinda guessing:
1 graboid(probably won't be needing him)
maybe the 6 darkness cards we salvaged this round(unless there is a good place we can use them)
the 1 eternity(some suggested that the 6 RT could be good somewhere, but not sure of the lone eternity)


this could give us possibly another 8 pillars/pendulems to get us started on some kind of 6th deck

Spoiler for entropy:

it sounds like frogtal may be a good idea here

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I took out the silences, so we could use them with a PUgons deck

Spoiler for death:

Sounds like most people wanted to put AdrenaTitans here, but Will suggested AdrenaStaves should work just as well

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i had to take out the dragons to support 2 PUgons, we could always replace with 2 scorps or cockitrices if needed

Spoiler for time:

I think someone suggested a PUgons with silences to stop sundials and RT

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I'm not sure how the quanta dispersion is, we may be able to get away with removing 1-2 pillars/pendulems for other decks if we really need(and it sounds like we might)

Spoiler for water:

It sounds like a few are in agreement for this wings duo against water

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I'm not sure how much we could alter this, but i think it may be solid the way it is.

Spoiler for PUgons#2:

As some suggested a second PUgons might be needed this round, I'm not sure if this would be better against fire or light though, but it is our second PUgons and it is still within the limit of the cards in vault

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for our 6th deck, i'm not too sure what to put as we would be right dry on life pillars and pendulems(time for conversion)
possibly use some kind of duo; either entropy or fire.maybe? also some thought about splashing in RT somewhere, I wasn't sure where though.

I hope this helps, I'll try to keep thinking of ways around the shortage of pillars/pendulems.

[nensuru]

the 2nd pugons should be send against fire imo, they can pretty much kill everything we have with bolts, making mito dragons a bad choice as well as the gravity duo

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discord duo
immortal
rol hope
immolation rush
fire stall
darkness duo stall
pu gons
dune scrops stall (maybe dead)

gravity duo seems like a good option against those no cc stallish decks, rol hope, it can a close matchup against pu gons if they dont bring lightning, but it loses against discord duo, immo rush and fire stall

[willng3]

Eh, let's just go with the Gravity duo versus Light then.  I'd prefer to use PUgons there, but I think it's probably needed more in other places.  Looks like we'll be sending our Strategist versus Time then.  I'll start putting some stuff in now, since I think I'll be gone when the deadline hits.

Also, we need to decide on how to use our Event card for this round.

[nensuru]

for the event card:

- we could get nightmares for a darkness dom
- some eternities
- make entropy deck stronger

that entropy deck is not that reliable: is really weak againt 5 dmg cc and is not fast, is a risky deck but discord could be a good surprise for later rounds

imo darkness is the strongest pick here

[willng3]

Alright, while that's being mulled over I have completely input decks, salvages, discards and conversions so that there are no errors at all.  This is how it looks now:

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"General (versus Light)

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Lieutenant (versus Entropy)

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Strategist (versus Time)

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Berserker (versus Water)

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Quartermaster (versus Death

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Standard Bearer (versus Fire)

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I'm not sure on some of the upgrades, so if anyone has any better suggestions please post them.  Also, some of these roles are subject to change; I'm open to suggestion on those as well.

Spoiler for Salvaging/Discarding:

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Spoiler for General's Salvage/Discard:

Cards Available	#	Salvaged /Discarded
Quantum Pillar	4
Discord	3	3
Mummy	1
Gravity Pillar	6
Graviton Mercenary	5
Black Hole	4
Adrenaline	1	1
Fog Shield	3	2
Nova	3

Spoiler for Lieutenant's Salvage/Discard:

Cards Available	#	Salvaged /Discarded
Water Pillar	11
Toadfish	4
Nymph Queen	2
Water Pendulum	4
Steal	4	4
Nightmare	2
Blue Crawler	1
Vampire Stiletto	2	2

Spoiler for Strategist's Salvage/Discard:

Cards Available	#	Salvaged /Discarded
Chimera	2	2
Emerald Dragon	6	1
Mitosis	3	2
Emerald Pillar	19	10

Spoiler for Assassin's Salvage/Discard:

Cards Available	#	Salvaged /Discarded
Emerald Pillar	6	1
Adrenaline	2	2
Mitosis	2
Life Pendulum	7	2
Deflagration	2	2
Horned Frog	6	3
Phoenix	5	5

Spoiler for Salvager's Salvage/Discard:

Cards Available	#	Salvaged /Discarded
Emerald Pillar	7	7
Emerald Dragon	2
Adrenaline	4	4
Life Pendulum	7
Horned Frog	6
Cockatrice	4	4

Spoiler for Scout's Salvage/Discard:

Cards Available	#	Salvaged /Discarded
Heal	4	4
Life Pendulum	13
Burning Pillar	2	2
Rage Potion	4	4
Fire Pendulum	2	2
Emerald Shield	1	1
Fire Bolt	6

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I have us converting 1 Graboid, 2 Fog, 3 Discord, 6 Reverse Time (wasn't sure if we wanted to keep these over the Darkness cards or not), 1 Eternity, and 2 Deflags for Pillars to keep our decks alive.  However, there's still a few modifications we can make here, probably.  The most painful discard for me were the 4 Cockatrice, but if I were to keep them we'd be forced to either discard Frogs (and not be able to use 2 Frogtal) or Pends and then I wouldn't know what 4 cards to convert for that.  But still, there might be something else we can do.  Remember that there's a Current Vault tab in the vault spreadsheet which shows what's still available after discarding, salvaging, putting in decks, etc. that can help make these decisions a bit easier.

I'll be online again in about an hour for about an hour to discuss last minute changes, roles, Event Card stuff, etc.

[nensuru]

To save the cockatrices we could:

-discard 2~3 fire bolts, these bolts could be used to replace the deflags of the fahren + adrenastaves duo, something like this:

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or -1 pillar +1 bolt/AW,

- discard some staves, we got 8 AW, and they fed alot of decks: adrena staves/fahren duo, air stall and adrenatitan, with this in mind we can afford to discard 1 of these and it still be possible to play adrenastavess and air duo on the same round, we would only lose the capability of running adrenastaves and fahren duo on the same round

- discard 1 heal

i think the decks and S/D/C you posted are just good to go

[willng3]

Converted 1 Heal, 1 Druidic Staff and 1 Fire Bolt to 3 Pends, giving us 3 Cockatrice (+1 that was leftover) in exchange.  I think that should be more than enough.

Will post the Event Card decision thread soon.

EDIT:  Done.  And with that I'm gone until the deadline, let's hope this round has a good turnout :)