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Re: Vault Building Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45949.msg1032628#msg1032628
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2013, 02:01:41 pm »
My thoughts on some decks:

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Replacing the dragons for green nymphs here would be nice.  Upgrades: carapace > pillar > adrena or if we have acess to 5 ups aw > all

UTL 32 card version seems good too.

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As you said, very costumizable deck, so lets think about how many aether cards we are going to have on vault for this deck:

6 Twin universes
9 Dim shields
6 Lightning
5 SIlence
6 Fractal
2 Lobo

With these aether cards on vault we can afford to keep 2 tu gons and a frogtal as avaliable decks:

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Looks good, we can keep the deflagrations as a situational card againts catatitans for example, and trade it for fire pillar/pend. Fire shield if we expect graboids. Rof if we expect fractal or some spamming stuff.

Will's air stall and grabbow are really good options.


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Re: Vault Building Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45949.msg1033027#msg1033027
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2013, 07:35:58 pm »
Lol, I just realized that with the 9 off-card limit we can now afford to take 2 full-fledged Frogtals or PUgons if we want.

This now makes me wonder if we should stay conservative with the Aether card supply or max out on them to bring as much of these 2 threats as we can.  Thoughts?
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Re: Vault Building Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45949.msg1033031#msg1033031
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2013, 07:48:41 pm »
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This is exactly the same Nature's Wrath deck that Kai used last War in his first support battle. I did something stupid and closed out the other tab I was keeping my detailed test results in, before I posted them. It did well against decks that relied on DimShield, as long as you played Deflag well. It also did well against rushes, assuming you drew at least a few Rage Pots to slow the rush down. It did badly against Crusader/Titans (I believe this was rather luck based, RNG didn't like me) and The Immortal.

For reference, I was testing with 3 upgraded Deflags. I was hoping the lower cost would help prevent Discord trolling by getting one out quick, but in practice it was kind of a toss up anyway.

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Re: Vault Building Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45949.msg1033047#msg1033047
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2013, 08:46:46 pm »
@Will

Would be a good idea, we can also add a surprise factor: if we dont play 2 tugons or 2 frogtals in earlier rounds, ppl will think that we only have one of these decks in the vault and when they predict that we have to use these decks against a opponent (for example, dim tu gons vs pc less element) they will probably not be expecting us to use another pu gons on that same round.

However, we are going to need to pack counters to quanta denial, especially devtal/eqdevs, as these decks really hurt pu gons/frogtal, adrenastaves and duo pend decks;


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Re: Vault Building Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45949.msg1033048#msg1033048
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2013, 08:47:54 pm »
Alright, so we've still got roughly 4 days left to build the Vault. We have a tentative 10 decks currently selected as "likely" to make it to the Vault. The idea behind this is to break down which decks we're likely to bring so far, compile the cards included, and figure out how many of each we *actually* need. Like, Flying Weapons can be traded from one deck to another, we don't absolutely have to have 9 of them. Well, we might need 9. Not sure yet. That's the point of this post. KGO

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Firestall
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AdrenaTitans
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AdrenaStaves
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Novabow
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Nature's Wrath
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nen's Darkness domination
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More to come. Posting this early so I don't close the tab and lose all of this.

Spoiler for Some numbers:

Alright, some numbers
At least 157 cards have to be Life cards.
Up to 18 copies of any Life cards
Up to 9 copies of any non Life cards

Raw Numbers: (these numbers are taken by just adding up the totals from the decks above. This is before including maximum card cap, or any other rules)
Total cards: 325
Total of Life cards: 201
Total of non Life cards: 124

Individual card stats: (this is a list of the cards we use above, if, and only if, we completely ignored the restrictions and took each deck exactly as it is without using 1 card in 2 decks)
Emerald Pillar: 33
Life Pendulum: 86
Emerald Dragon: 10
Horned Frog: 10
Heal: 12
Emerald Shield: 1
Thorn Carapace: 2
Adrenaline: 18
Druidic Staff: 9
Forest Spirit: 2
Forest Scorpion: 11

Non Life cards:

DimShield: 7
Fractal: 4
Silence: 3
Lightning: 5
Parallel Universe: 5
Burning Pillar: 2
Fire Pendulum: 2
Deflag: 7
Rage Potion: 8
Fahrenheit: 3
Fire Bolt: 6
Phoenix: 5
Titan: 6
Gravity Pull: 3
Animate Weapon: 12
Graboid: 5
Pulvy: 1
Nightmare: 5
Momentum: 3
Sapphire Charger: 3
Steal: 2
Vampire Stiletto: 2
Air Pillar: 2
Owl's Eye: 4
Shockwave: 6
Wings: 6

Spoiler for Hidden:
Originally I was gonna include a list of cards used in multiple decks, but I realized that it'll be far shorter if I include a list of cards NOT in multiple decks. So, unless we change decks or something, we have to take at least all of the cards below:

1 Emerald Shield
2 Thorn Carapace
2 Forest Spirit
4 Fractal
3 Silence
5 PU
2 Burning Pillar
2 Fire Pendulum
3 Fahrenheit
6 Fire Bolt
5 Phoenix
6 Titan
3 Gravity Pull
5 Graboid
1 Pulvy
3 Momentum
3 Elite Charger
2 Steal
2 Vampire Stiletto
2 Air Pillar
6 Shockwave
6 Wings
4 Owl's Eye

For a grand total of 78 cards.

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Re: Vault Building Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45949.msg1033257#msg1033257
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2013, 07:16:00 am »
Spoiler for bell's numbers/decks:


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AdrenaStaves
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nen's Darkness domination
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Airstall
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More to come. Posting this early so I don't close the tab and lose all of this.

Spoiler for Some numbers:

Alright, some numbers
At least 157 cards have to be Life cards.
Up to 18 copies of any Life cards
Up to 9 copies of any non Life cards

Raw Numbers: (these numbers are taken by just adding up the totals from the decks above. This is before including maximum card cap, or any other rules)
Total cards: 325
Total of Life cards: 201
Total of non Life cards: 124

Individual card stats: (this is a list of the cards we use above, if, and only if, we completely ignored the restrictions and took each deck exactly as it is without using 1 card in 2 decks)
Emerald Pillar: 33
Life Pendulum: 86
Emerald Dragon: 10
Horned Frog: 10
Heal: 12
Emerald Shield: 1
Thorn Carapace: 2
Adrenaline: 18
Druidic Staff: 9
Forest Spirit: 2
Forest Scorpion: 11

Non Life cards:

DimShield: 7
Fractal: 4
Silence: 3
Lightning: 5
Parallel Universe: 5
Burning Pillar: 2
Fire Pendulum: 2
Deflag: 7
Rage Potion: 8
Fahrenheit: 3
Fire Bolt: 6
Phoenix: 5
Titan: 6
Gravity Pull: 3
Animate Weapon: 12
Graboid: 5
Pulvy: 1
Nightmare: 5
Momentum: 3
Sapphire Charger: 3
Steal: 2
Vampire Stiletto: 2
Air Pillar: 2
Owl's Eye: 4
Shockwave: 6
Wings: 6

Spoiler for Hidden:
Originally I was gonna include a list of cards used in multiple decks, but I realized that it'll be far shorter if I include a list of cards NOT in multiple decks. So, unless we change decks or something, we have to take at least all of the cards below:

1 Emerald Shield
2 Thorn Carapace
2 Forest Spirit
4 Fractal
3 Silence
5 PU
2 Burning Pillar
2 Fire Pendulum
3 Fahrenheit
6 Fire Bolt
5 Phoenix
6 Titan
3 Gravity Pull
5 Graboid
1 Pulvy
3 Momentum
3 Elite Charger
2 Steal
2 Vampire Stiletto
2 Air Pillar
6 Shockwave
6 Wings
4 Owl's Eye

For a grand total of 78 cards.

I did some quick number crunching and a basic number theory test on the numbers bell gave for each card amount in the possible 10 decks he posted. Here are some idea's i was able to solve for possible vault numbers.

Spoiler for Idea#1:
If we keep close to the same values for each card:
Emerald Pillar: 35 [-5] = 30
Life Pendulum: 86 [-6] = 80
Emerald Dragon: 11
Horned Frog: 10
Heal: 12
Emerald Shield: 1
Thorn Carapace: 2
Adrenaline: 18
Druidic Staff: 9
Forest Spirit: 2
Forest Scorpion: 11

Non Life cards:

DimShield: 7
Fractal: 4
Silence: 3
Lightning: 5
Parallel Universe: 5
Burning Pillar: 2
Fire Pendulum: 2
Deflag: 7
Rage Potion: 8
Fahrenheit: 3
Fire Bolt: 6
Phoenix: 5
Titan: 6
Gravity Pull: 3
Animate Weapon: 13 [-4] = 9
Graboid: 5
Pulvy: 1
Nightmare: 5
Momentum: 3
Sapphire Charger: 3
Steal: 2
Vampire Stiletto: 2
Air Pillar: 2
Owl's Eye: 4
Shockwave: 6
Wings: 6

Total cards: 299
Total of Life cards: 185
Total of non Life cards: 114

313 - 299 = 14 extra card slots to fill (not sure what to fill these with)

with these values, we can support up to 7 decks simultaneously(not including Airstall, AdrenaStaves, or AdrenaTitans)even though we only have 6 members, and 1 of either Airstall, AdrenaStaves, or AdrenaTitans (buy not all 3 due to AW reduction)

I did it this way, to maximize the possible decks playable simultaneously, and still keep enough of each around to last us as needed into the next few rounds.
If I misunderstand the way the vault works or the way the cards should be distributed, let me know and I can retest this data or other values if needed.

Spoiler for Idea#2:
Here is another possible value for each card:

Emerald Pillar: 34      (allows for any 6 decks playable simultaneously)
Life Pendulum: 72     (allows for any 6 decks playable simultaneously)
Emerald Dragon: 7    (allows for AdrenaStaves and [PUgons or Nen's Darkness] simultaneously)
Horned Frog: 10        (allows for Frogtal and Novabow simultaneously)
Heal: 9                     (allows for Airstall and [Nature's Wrath or Firestall] simultaneously)
Emerald Shield: 1
Thorn Carapace: 2
Adrenaline: 10           (allows for 2 of the following simultaneously [AdrenaTitans,AdrenaStaves,AdrenaScorps,Novabow] )
Druidic Staff: 9          (allows for Airstall and AdrenaStaves simultaneously)
Forest Spirit: 2
Forest Scorpion: 6

Non Life cards:

DimShield: 7                (allows for PUgons and Frogtal simultaneously)
Fractal: 4
Silence: 3
Lightning: 5                  (allows for PUgons and Novabow simultaneously)
Parallel Universe: 5
Burning Pillar: 2
Fire Pendulum: 2
Deflag: 4                      (allows for Novabow and [Nature's Wrath or Firestall])
Rage Potion: 4               (maximum value in any deck is 4)
Fahrenheit: 3
Fire Bolt: 6
Phoenix: 5
Titan: 6
Gravity Pull: 3
Animate Weapon: 8               (allows for Airstall and [AdrenaTitans or AdrenaStaves] )
Graboid: 5
Pulvy: 1
Nightmare: 4
Momentum: 3
Sapphire Charger: 3
Steal: 2
Vampire Stiletto: 2
Air Pillar: 2
Owl's Eye: 4
Shockwave: 6
Wings: 6

Total cards: 266
Total of Life cards: 162
Total of non Life cards: 104

313 - 267 = 46 extra card slots to fill (possibly another Frogtal, PUgons or other extra cards as needed)

This arrangement of cards would allow us to play 6 decks(somewhat restricted of choice [PUgons,Frogtal,AdrenaStaves,Novabow,Airstall,and either Firestall or Natures Wrath]) simultaneously at once.


Side Note: We could possibly play both Natures Wrath and Firestall simultaneously if we added +4 rage potions, +2 deflags. This would leave us with only 40 extra card slots.

I had another possible idea started (and number crunching in process), so as to double the PUgons and/or Frogtal decks, but it's not finished yet and I have to get some sleep before classes tommorow. I'll try posting it after my classes when i have a spare moment.

EDIT: added a second idea,and i can try for a third with my number testing if needed.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2013, 10:24:13 pm by mathman101 »
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Re: Vault Building Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45949.msg1033300#msg1033300
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2013, 12:14:02 pm »
Just a reminder to you guys (didn't see it till math copied then modified Bell's numbers) that the max copies of one non-life non-pillar card is 9.
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Re: Vault Building Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45949.msg1033333#msg1033333
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2013, 02:10:19 pm »
Yeah, math fixed it. The numbers I took were the raw data which would be if we took each of the 10 decks listed, exactly as they were, with no regard for the card restrictions. I was kind of surprised that we only had 1 card that broke that rule, honestly.

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Re: Vault Building Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45949.msg1033831#msg1033831
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2013, 04:47:00 am »
I like the looks of math's second idea.  However, upon examining it in greater detail I'm worried by the lack of some of the cards I would consider Life's "staples".  I expect there will be several cases in the middle of War where we redesign a certain remaining deck to meet what we have left in our Vault.  This consequently means that we will need to run on a backup supply of certain cards that were not previously placed in the deck, but are now needed for what we hope to do.

In other words, I think that what would be best for the remaining cards is to focus on what else from Life we need to take to cover the basics.  Cards such as Mitosis, Frogs, Dragons, Heal and Adrenaline.  Also, disregarding the fact that we don't have Mitosis included yet, if we want to open up the possibility of using MitoDragons then we may want to consider adding 2 Chimera.

As much as I'd like to include a second Frogtal or PUgon, I'd also like a reserve to fall back on in the event that we lose critical pieces to any of our decks due to a loss, penalties, event cards, etc.  But my opinion is always subject to change.  If you have a proposition that you feel would work for us using the remaining 46 cards according to math's breakdown #2, everyone here is all ears.
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Re: Vault Building Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45949.msg1034171#msg1034171
« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2013, 04:35:12 pm »
More thoughts on cards, in particular, on the remaining 46 cards we have to put in the Vault.

Spoiler for Hidden:
Life cards:
6 Mitosis (allows us to bring Mitodragons/Mitofrogs/etc if we ever feel the need to, or one of our other decks gets broken)
5 Cockatrices (My previous card list missed these; there are 4 in Nature's Wrath which didn't get added to Vault (my fault, since my list didn't show them). I added 2 more, since I feel Cocks are a good all around attacker, better than frogs in a few cases.
4 Emerald Dragons: This gives us leeway with possibly fielding MitoDragons alongside another deck using dragons already. They're also useful, and having extras means we won't be too bothered if we discard a few.
5 Frogs: Almost the same as the Cockatrices, minus the part about me not including them in our card list. Having more of a staple Life card is good, not bad.
6 Adrenaline: Read Frogs.
2 Druidic Staff: Based on a suggestion by n00b.
Subtotal 28/46 cards

Non-Life cards:
2 Chimera: For MitoDragons.
2 DimShield: This is such a useful card, I can't see not taking 9.
4 Fractal: Last War, we got stuck with 3 Fractal, which made for a less than optimal Frogtal. Adding 4 will mean we can field 2 Frogtals, and Discarding up to 4 will leave us with a stable Frogtal.
2 PU: Discard protection. If we can Salvage 1 more, we can field 2 PUgons with 4 PU each instead of 5 each.
2 Lobotimizers: Sideboard for Frogtal.
2 Lightnings: We might find a use for them.
4 Deflag: At first I thought doubling the amount in our Vault might be overkill. Then I remembered how badly DimShield counters pretty much everything Life represents. BOO.
Total 46/46 cards

Naturally, these are all just ideas. The only card from the list above that HAS to be added is 4 Cocks. I tried to add a bit of Discard protection with my card choices, the only new deck presented is MitoDragons/Chimera. Also, a lot of my choices are either fairly common Life cards (Frogs can be put in almost any deck) or used in multiple decks (the Aether cards).

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Re: Vault Building Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45949.msg1034271#msg1034271
« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2013, 09:25:55 pm »
K, chat's having issues so there's really not much else that we can discuss within the next hour or so.  Please add the remaining 41 cards of Bell's last post to the vault.
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