Post by: Delreich on January 12, 2010, 08:18:33 am
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Post by: RoKetha on January 13, 2010, 03:15:14 am
Post by: jmizzle7 on January 13, 2010, 06:22:18 am
The cost to effect ratio doesn't even resemble balanced. It's even worse than Shard of Divinity in this regard.How so? This is a renewable source of healing while Shard of Divinity is a one-shot health gain. They are both good but do two different things.
Post by: RoKetha on January 13, 2010, 05:17:52 pm
Post by: YoYoBro on January 13, 2010, 09:10:32 pm
Post by: jmizzle7 on January 13, 2010, 09:52:08 pm
Post by: YoYoBro on January 13, 2010, 09:56:04 pm
Post by: NecroArchie on January 16, 2010, 03:40:00 pm
ive come close several times but never got it
Post by: Kamietsu on January 16, 2010, 06:42:17 pm
can you win this card by beating top 50?Yes.
ive come close several times but never got it
Post by: Sigh on January 16, 2010, 08:05:00 pm
Post by: Cambadillac on January 22, 2010, 07:06:48 pm
Darkness is very versatile. Very dangerous element.
Post by: ghy on February 02, 2010, 03:37:22 pm
I played a lot in the top 50 and won 8 Shards with the blue background. I improved 6 Shards and they have all been transformed into Shard Of Divinity. No one has given a Shard Of Gratitude.
I do not understand why I won 8 blue shard and no green shard?
Post by: Delreich on February 02, 2010, 03:54:47 pm
You can only win what is in the opponent's deck, so if they only had SoD, that's the only shard you could get.
Post by: Cisz on February 08, 2010, 07:08:36 pm
Post by: miniwally on March 31, 2010, 04:52:11 pm
Post by: sirboomalot on April 09, 2010, 06:42:28 pm
Post by: Dreadshadow on April 11, 2010, 06:32:04 am
Gain 5 life at the end of every turn.
Cheap.
Any quantum is okay.
Can be put anywhere, in every deck.
Post by: Diet soda! on April 15, 2010, 08:10:36 pm
Post by: genraenera on May 09, 2010, 05:57:20 pm
Post by: miniwally on May 09, 2010, 06:14:41 pm
Post by: Medivh on May 21, 2010, 04:12:02 am
Post by: hermantheowl on June 19, 2010, 10:40:36 pm
Post by: Retribution on June 19, 2010, 10:59:06 pm
Farming top50 is the only way to get a Green Shard which upgrades to a SoG.I seem to recall you can also get some from some FGs...
Post by: miniwally on June 19, 2010, 11:12:23 pm
I believe you get an SoR now, but you could be able to select.Nope that's SoD's (the blue ones)Farming top50 is the only way to get a Green Shard which upgrades to a SoG.I seem to recall you can also get some from some FGs...
Post by: jippy99 on June 29, 2010, 11:16:57 am
1. Why arent they upgrade in spins from T50 when they are upgraded in the match?
2. Where can you get a yellow shard?
3. Can you win shards from FGs?
Please answer my questions. Thank you! ;D
Post by: Malignant on June 29, 2010, 11:52:26 am
Yay I'm so happy i got a green shard and a pulverizer on the same spin. I have a couple questions about shards.1. You can only win upgrade cards from halfbloods and fgs.
1. Why arent they upgrade in spins from T50 when they are upgraded in the match?
2. Where can you get a yellow shard?
3. Can you win shards from FGs?
Please answer my questions. Thank you! ;D
2. Top50 / Donation ($5)
3. Only SoD (Blue).
Post by: jippy99 on June 29, 2010, 12:04:01 pm
Thanks!!!!! ;DYay I'm so happy i got a green shard and a pulverizer on the same spin. I have a couple questions about shards.1. You can only win upgrade cards from halfbloods and fgs.
1. Why arent they upgrade in spins from T50 when they are upgraded in the match?
2. Where can you get a yellow shard?
3. Can you win shards from FGs?
Please answer my questions. Thank you! ;D
2. Top50 / Donation ($5)
3. Only SoD (Blue).
Post by: stesavo on June 30, 2010, 07:56:10 am
So: Is this a bug or a feature ???
I'm playing 1.24 on elementsthegame.net currently because .com is still broken.
Post by: $$$man on June 30, 2010, 07:57:22 am
I've got an annnoying problem. Whenever I go pvp my shard of gratitude I got for donating reverts to a simple shard. Against AI-decks everything's fine.You are probably playing PvP1 which means all upped cards will become un-upped :)
So: Is this a bug or a feature ???
I'm playing 1.24 on elementsthegame.net currently because .com is still broken.
Post by: stesavo on June 30, 2010, 10:30:49 am
Post by: Kael Hate on August 11, 2010, 01:57:17 pm
Shard of Gratitude will have its cost increased to 3
Post by: guolin on August 11, 2010, 03:55:13 pm
Post by: Scaredgirl on August 11, 2010, 04:00:50 pm
Post by: jamiejoneslovesu on August 11, 2010, 04:16:00 pm
Post by: Dragoon1140 on August 11, 2010, 04:16:57 pm
hasnt it always been 3?Nope, it was the only shard to have a cost of 2.
Post by: Hyroen on August 11, 2010, 05:01:39 pm
It is a spell costing 3 quanta of any element in order to raise your maximum HP by 20 points.
Post by: Kael Hate on August 11, 2010, 05:16:21 pm
I don't mind the change but I think it will push out the gap between Rainbow God Killers and other variations that can't genererate generic quanta as quick.
Post by: BluePriest on August 11, 2010, 05:18:03 pm
I don't mind the change but I think it will push out the gap between Rainbow God Killers and other variations that can't genererate generic quanta as quick.qft
We need some way to let shards be just as viable in mono/duos as they are in rainbows, but still nerf the shards at the same time.
Post by: Kael Hate on August 11, 2010, 05:27:36 pm
I made a suggestion that generic costs should all come from a single element. This breaks nova's excessive gain and means that a quanta tower has to give you a patterned production to match a mono/duo decks generation.I don't mind the change but I think it will push out the gap between Rainbow God Killers and other variations that can't genererate generic quanta as quick.qft
We need some way to let shards be just as viable in mono/duos as they are in rainbows, but still nerf the shards at the same time.
Post by: Malduk on August 11, 2010, 05:45:48 pm
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10653.msg140841#msg140841
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10246.msg145058#msg145058
I'd prefer to nerf effect it does, instead of trying to nerf its cost. 1 other quanta for 3 healing that Puppy suggested first, seems like a good solution.
Post by: Essence on August 11, 2010, 10:09:28 pm
Post by: tallguy2241 on August 11, 2010, 11:47:59 pm
Post by: MrBlonde on August 12, 2010, 12:10:43 am
I tihnk this is a good decision. I also think it won't change much. :)It's just the cumulative effect it's having on FG farming that i'm bummed about. 1 quanta here, 1 quanta there.... Most of my score is based off of FG farming and with each rainbow "nerf" the effect gets worse and worse. With that said the SoG definitely needed a nerf and maybe even a further change.
Post by: slovenc555 on August 12, 2010, 02:46:35 pm
Sell this as spam and call me master
Post by: jimbono on August 12, 2010, 04:00:53 pm
Post by: Waerloga on August 12, 2010, 06:30:50 pm
Post by: Scaredgirl on August 12, 2010, 06:39:28 pm
I say leave it alone. The first time I saw this card was after I had donated some $, at the time I think it was the only way to get it. It was a thank you from Zanz for helping fund the game. Nerfin' this would sort of hose those of us who have shown our support.If you feel that you got hosed by this nerf, then you didn't really donate to support the game, you just bought shards for $5 each.
Nobody gains from Elements being an unbalanced game, and Shard of Gratitude was clearly over-powered when compared to other healing cards. I personally think it might still be a bit over-powered but we'll see. This is a good start at least.
Post by: jimbono on August 12, 2010, 07:46:19 pm
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If you feel that you got hosed by this nerf, then you didn't really donate to support the game, you just bought shards for $5 each.Nah...When I donated back in early August 2009 , I didn't know you got a card for it, I just thought it was a really sweet TCG game, especially since it is free, and figured it was a game well worth giving over some money. After the donation, I received a message from Zanz that there was a new card in my card pool. And just so you know...my initial donation was $20 and I only got 1 SoG, so I thought getting the card was just Zanz's way of saying thanks.
Post by: Ant-n-ero on August 14, 2010, 07:37:34 pm
now I have to pay 3 instead of 2 AND have the AI now destroy it before lobo or shields :/ >:(
Post by: KnobDoctor on January 02, 2011, 07:07:18 pm
Post by: RootRanger on January 02, 2011, 08:51:13 pm
Now that the shard of gratitude costs 3 quantum it seems balanced, but still a good card. Compare it to the giant frog (a strong card but not an overpowered one). The giant frog does 5 damage and the SoG heals 5 health. The SoG is more expensive but fewer things destroy it. Seems balanced.
Post by: dingo on January 19, 2011, 10:07:04 pm
Post by: smuglapse on January 20, 2011, 12:20:03 am
Why do you only get $5 when you sell a shard in the bazaar? It is a rare card and you should get at least $50 for it. You get $65 for a relic and that card is completely worthless even if upgraded. An un-upgraded shard should be worth almost as much as a relic and perhaps even more. Currently, winning a $5 card is close to winning nothing at all.It's funny that you are using the dollar sign there, because you can actually spend $5 to get a shard. The symbol for Electrum is :electrum.
Post by: burne on March 22, 2011, 12:59:54 pm
I always thought it was OP, and its last nerf doesn't change it a lot.
Even with a 4 hp healing for a 4 quantum cost, it would stay a good card to me.
It's over used and can fit any deck so I understand why people doesn't want to hear about changing it.
But there's so many ways to heal right now that we should think again about it.
Post by: Xenocidius on September 19, 2011, 06:25:39 am
New images from Beta.
Post by: dragonsdemesne on September 19, 2011, 07:40:09 am
Post by: Jappert on September 19, 2011, 07:45:52 am
It won't do it much good, that's for sure.
Post by: Xenocidius on September 19, 2011, 07:47:48 am
Post by: dragonsdemesne on September 19, 2011, 08:22:12 am
It will probably be standard now to take 3 Sanctuaries (I've been doing that anyway).Sanctuary was very good in rainbow decks anyway, just because Black Hole gives them so much grief, even more than decks with only one or two elements. I've been using 6 SoGs and 3 Sancs in my 60 card FG farmer; I might switch that to 6 sanc and 3 sog, or 6 sanc and add in some other things instead of sogs. I've been wanting to squeeze in mindgate just because it's so fun, or maybe firestorms or pandemoniums, but I can't decide what to cut for them. This change might help me make that choice.
I'm just wondering if the slower speed in getting up to 3 light quanta to play it vs the 3 other quanta for the 4hp SoG will make SoGs still the card of choice for healing.
Post by: Calindu on September 19, 2011, 01:51:35 pm
Post by: willng3 on September 19, 2011, 06:47:00 pm
Multiple SoGs stack in a similar manner to Towers/Pendulums now.
(Current version as of 28.09.11, still subject to change)
(http://i.imgur.com/UvvnD.png)(http://elementscommunity.org/images/Cards/Upgrade.png)(http://i.imgur.com/24qoA.png)
(http://elementscommunity.org/images/Cards/ShardGreen.png)(http://elementscommunity.org/images/Cards/Upgrade.png)(http://elementscommunity.org/images/Cards/ShardOfGratitude.png)
Post by: TheCrazyMango on September 19, 2011, 06:49:19 pm
Post by: furballdn on September 19, 2011, 06:53:46 pm
Post by: The_Mormegil on September 19, 2011, 07:12:26 pm
This nerf makes the card as good as a sanctuary. Huh. Except a elementless or just life sanctuary. I'm okay with this.Except that it:
- is cheaper
- has no elemental cost
- is far more usable
- is a lot cheaper
- is still a great healing card
- can still be used by any element
- is a great deal cheaper
- is now usable unupped
- can still heal more
- is so damn cheap and effective
- still enables firestalls and other stalls
- is still too good and game-changing to be allowed into competitive PvP
Post by: Jaymanfu on September 19, 2011, 07:24:42 pm
Post by: GG on September 19, 2011, 10:45:30 pm
Would have really liked to see Life get some kind of better benefit then 1hp if you have a life mark, thats realllllllllly lame.I agree. Seeing what SoS and SoR benefit the respective element marks, SoG and especially SoD lack that. 1 Point of healing stacks to be pretty great later on, so I personally think SoD's more of a problem.
I don't like how SoG is now usable in unupped decks as well, especially cheaper but stronger (with :life mark) than Sanctuary. What could be done about that?
Post by: willng3 on September 20, 2011, 02:10:56 am
Not fond of the +1HP bonus with a Life mark either. The extra healing is useless to Life as both Druidic/Jade Staff and Heal are better substitutes in the majority of cases. Also, if I wanted to focus on a :life deck centered around nothing but healing I'd rather use Adrenastaves or a Bond deck; the healing is just completely overshadowed. And as for using them in a stallish deck with a :life mark...there weren't very many of those that existed before the change so I'm inclined to doubt decks will bother making the switch to make them more competitive now. It's a bit of a nuance, but not much else.
But I guess the main purpose was to nerf SoG, and it's been nerfed.
Post by: EvaRia on September 20, 2011, 02:13:18 am
That seems a little bit more balanced in terms of situation.
Post by: Rutarete on September 20, 2011, 03:45:27 am
Post by: willng3 on September 20, 2011, 03:51:21 am
Shouldn't the part about SoG stacking be added to the OP as a change?Done.
Post by: The_Mormegil on September 20, 2011, 07:16:19 am
Hmm...yeah I'm not too happy about unupped Firestalls now having SoG available to them. There was a suggestion to make the unupped version heal 2HP instead of 3 while keeping upped as the same, but I don't know, 2HP would make it practically useless.
Not fond of the +1HP bonus with a Life mark either. The extra healing is useless to Life as both Druidic/Jade Staff and Heal are better substitutes in the majority of cases. Also, if I wanted to focus on a :life deck centered around nothing but healing I'd rather use Adrenastaves or a Bond deck; the healing is just completely overshadowed. And as for using them in a stallish deck with a :life mark...there weren't very many of those that existed before the change so I'm inclined to doubt decks will bother making the switch to make them more competitive now. It's a bit of a nuance, but not much else.
But I guess the main purpose was to nerf SoG, and it's been nerfed.
^Better than Candlelight, as it trades protection from quanta denial and the arguably useless Miracles for a better CC shield and faster, Discord-resistant healing.
I think a more balanced card would be a SoG healing 2 | 4 unupped and 2 | 5 upped. No Life mark makes it almost useless, but Life mark enables very good stalls. Of course ^this deck is pretty much overpowered, but you know, I doubt it's SoG that's the problem there.
Post by: Essence on September 23, 2011, 11:26:46 pm
Post by: jmdt on September 24, 2011, 09:13:41 pm
Post by: The_Mormegil on September 24, 2011, 10:31:04 pm
(First) Step in the right directionGo zanz!
Post by: hendrydext on September 26, 2011, 06:28:19 pm
When use by life, it is heal by 5. just differ 1 to sanctuary when be used by light. Other than that, sanctuary give more effect, so we can tolerate the 1 heal point to its effect..
In summary, to be good as "shard", SoG should be buff more.
I absolutely agree to idea to heal :life creatures 1 point per turn..
Post by: willng3 on September 30, 2011, 05:25:54 am
5 cost, 3 Healing/5 Healing (Life mark) unupped.
3 cost, 3 Healing/5 Healing (Life mark) upped.
Hmm...unsure about this change at the moment.
Post by: The_Mormegil on September 30, 2011, 06:44:47 am
Post by: andyis on October 02, 2011, 01:07:41 am
Post by: furballdn on October 02, 2011, 01:17:16 am
Post by: Chapuz on October 07, 2011, 11:51:22 am
Post by: Kyura on October 07, 2011, 01:01:06 pm
Post by: mesaprotector on October 08, 2011, 04:51:49 am
Post by: Chapuz on October 08, 2011, 05:47:34 am
Methinks CCYB will be weakened considerably... 6 sanctuaries could be tough on light quanta.Maybe it will be replaced for Limitless Speed FG OTK (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,31570.html)!! :P
Post by: Time_lord_victorius on October 08, 2011, 12:35:50 pm
Tbh, sickened by this change, this really is hitting it too hard.
What I woulda done: 5 hp per turn, 7 if :life mark
Post by: Pineapple on October 08, 2011, 01:09:09 pm
Finally gets nerfed, I guess Zanz was sick of all the QQing in the forums. Nice going whinners, you killed CCYB's hp regen by nearly half!!!lol, just switch SoGs for 4-5 sanctuaries...
Tbh, sickened by this change, this really is hitting it too hard.
What I woulda done: 5 hp per turn, 7 if :life mark
the reason that the healing was nerfed was because it needed to be nerfed, your change wouldn't fix the problem.
As of now, I think it could use a cost decrease.
Post by: Dogg on October 08, 2011, 02:33:49 pm
Post by: Time_lord_victorius on October 08, 2011, 04:03:46 pm
i respect your argument, but SoG is a key to CCYB since its very good healing, cost :rainbow quanta and is cheap. sanctuary requires specific quanta, being light, when i use this for my improved miracle.Finally gets nerfed, I guess Zanz was sick of all the QQing in the forums. Nice going whinners, you killed CCYB's hp regen by nearly half!!!lol, just switch SoGs for 4-5 sanctuaries...
Tbh, sickened by this change, this really is hitting it too hard.
What I woulda done: 5 hp per turn, 7 if :life mark
the reason that the healing was nerfed was because it needed to be nerfed, your change wouldn't fix the problem.
As of now, I think it could use a cost decrease.
i dont deny that sanctuary is very useful to a CCYB, but it has some restrictiveness to it that i don<t believe suits a need for freedom from a CCYB
Post by: BluexLightning on October 08, 2011, 05:00:36 pm
Post by: frlaa on October 15, 2011, 06:18:58 pm
Post by: Chapuz on October 16, 2011, 12:53:28 am
Rofl... this card will simply be replaced with sanctuary and nobody will use sog anymore... such dumb change imo.Actually, no. Decks without :light quanta don't use Sancts.
Post by: petersenk on October 18, 2011, 10:46:43 pm
One PA is enough, make sure you don't play your sog's before you can pa them the same turn.
Yeah, that's no speed-bow anymore, but IMHO thats fine. You wanna speed? No sogs. You wanna stall/a long game? Then sogs are for you. :)
Post by: omegareaper7 on October 19, 2011, 05:21:11 am
Well, it's not all that bad. Set your mark to life, kick out your supernovas, pack more quantum pillars and - most important - pack some PA. The thing is: that these shards are stackable now is a huge buff. No stealing and exploding your sogs in your face. I mean, what use are 6 sogs, if your enemy has 12 steals and 12 explode. :/sanctuarys > shards, would have said that even before the nerf.
One PA is enough, make sure you don't play your sog's before you can pa them the same turn.
Yeah, that's no speed-bow anymore, but IMHO thats fine. You wanna speed? No sogs. You wanna stall/a long game? Then sogs are for you. :)
Post by: Toxx on October 22, 2011, 03:53:56 pm
Post by: sadlogic on November 18, 2011, 11:59:18 am
Thx in advance
Post by: Andreh on December 01, 2011, 01:00:27 am
Whats the best way to farm these nowadays?Yea, I was about to ask that, too.
Thx in advance
Post by: Filly678 on December 01, 2011, 01:43:10 am
Arena, PvP if opponent uses it, and Donations.Whats the best way to farm these nowadays?Yea, I was about to ask that, too.
Thx in advance
Post by: itirnitii on December 30, 2011, 04:49:52 am
Post by: Jenkar on February 27, 2012, 11:31:25 am
Post by: ralouf on February 27, 2012, 11:58:35 am
Post by: Silver on February 28, 2012, 09:39:09 pm
Post by: glennfoo on February 29, 2012, 04:00:22 pm
Does anyone ever use this without life mark?i have been playing mono fire stalling deck to farm level 4 and some false gods..... and i either lose or receive elemental master.... i even use shards of divinity to boost my reward and score..... but that is before the nerf....
after the nerf on the SOG which now benefit the life mark, i try playing mono fire stall but the hp healed is not enough.... 18hp healed compared with 30hp healed is too much a difference.... i lost to decks which i would have won in previous version.... not to mention the quanta cap which also reduce the damage done by farenheit and firebolt.... i have to make some tweaks..... i change my mark to life and added some heals.... i can still farm level 4, silver arena, and the false gods..... even won some match in platinum league with elemental master.... but i have to be lucky.....
what i am saying now is that if you depend on SOG to stall and heal without the life mark, you will not last long.... i can be a living proof of that..... let say if opponent cast phase dragon, u have 2 shards in play, u can easily heal back the damage.... but in the current version, if someone puts out a phase dragon, u will be like ( come on, where is my third shard, i know you are somewhere in the deck) and soon, you get the third shard.... (hoorah at least only one damage ) .... the second phase dragon appears..... ( ok i am finished).... this happen a lot of time
well, this is happening to people playing SOG without life mark..... i am positive that anyone planing to use SOG as its main power would have changed to life mark by now.....
Post by: willng3 on December 19, 2012, 06:43:41 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/TiDjQ.png)Changes:
Shard of Gratitude now requires :life quanta as opposed to :rainbow
Unupped cost reduced from 5 to 3
Upped cost reduced from 3 to 2
Discuss.
Post by: willng3 on December 19, 2012, 06:46:20 pm
I think that the elemental affinity bonus for SoG should be removed. Or rather, it should heal 5HP regardless of your mark. If that makes it OP in comparison to Sanctuary then the cost can be increased.
Reason being, I think there's enough Life affinity here to where the bonus is no longer needed. I mean, it's not like you can spam these with Nova and Quantum Towers anymore.
Post by: Essence on December 19, 2012, 06:47:24 pm
Post by: Rutarete on December 19, 2012, 06:48:05 pm
Post by: willng3 on December 19, 2012, 06:49:09 pm
Do you think the same should apply to all the shards, seeing as they're probably all going to be made to use aligned quanta?Possibly. Although in SoG's case I would argue that it's probably one of the weaker out of the 12 after the latest change.
@Rut, it was 5 before the berf
Post by: dragonsdemesne on December 19, 2012, 09:46:23 pm
Post by: Vangelios on December 19, 2012, 10:01:45 pm
Post by: justaburd on December 19, 2012, 10:21:01 pm
If you reduce it to 1, it starts conflicting with sanc and if it stays at 2, it's too little healing for the cost.
I'd say increase the healing to 4, 6 or 7 when upped.
Post by: plastiqe on December 19, 2012, 10:23:27 pm
I would only change it so that the elemental affinity bonus is closer to the standard use of the card. In SoG's example I'd like to see it at 4 Hp/turn or 5Hp/turn with life mark.
It should be good enough to play without the bonus, but really shine when you incorporate the correct mark.
Post by: Helston on December 20, 2012, 11:13:52 am
Secondly, mark-based affinity is really quite a strange way to go about it. It means you could never gain the full 5 HP while getting the most out of Shard of Void, Shard of Divinity or Shard of Bravery, but you CAN with any of the other shards.
Finally, this punishes duos or trios which have arbitrarily been designed to have a certain pendulum/pillar split. This then bleeds into events, and in particular War, where any non-Life element has a much easier time gaining the full 5 HP bonus, but Life itself can't pull the same trick without running a mono (or close enough).
5 HP per turn would indeed be very good, and probably put Life's healing to just below where Light was prior to this change (SoD's change being a large boost to Light's healing too). For an element which supposedly focuses on healing, there isn't usually enough of it at hand due to how specific Empathic Bonds' healing is. And rather than outshining Empathic Bonds, this should complement it by helping stabilise decks until they can fall back on the crazy high healing that only Empathic can provide.
Post by: Cunning_Wish on December 20, 2012, 01:59:21 pm
but for mono life, it needn't sog
upped heal is more better whether it is a life deck, or a rainbow deck
sog should be buffed,at least heal 4 per turn. you can just image it to a small Sanctuary .
Post by: qetuol on December 22, 2012, 04:06:45 pm
Post by: Luminous on December 22, 2012, 04:10:25 pm
nononono... shards should remain colorless. otherwise the non-elemental specific ability looses its meaning.
No, it doesn't. They just been shaked a little, small meta-changing. Not that big deal as I thought before.
Post by: Vangelios on December 23, 2012, 04:12:27 am
Post by: Luminous on December 23, 2012, 08:16:11 am
Believe me, this shard is still very good, with life-rainbow, firestall, and monolife of course, and I think this is wonderfully harmonic, I really liked these changes.^
Post by: Vangelios on December 25, 2012, 05:04:02 pm
Now with the changes is to remove carapace and put reflective shield (and bye firestall), also think about removing druidc and put stiletto.
Post by: UndeadSpider1990 on June 16, 2013, 01:04:43 pm