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« Reply #60 on: September 19, 2011, 06:47:00 pm »


Multiple SoGs stack in a similar manner to Towers/Pendulums now.

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Re: Shard of Gratitude | Shard of Gratitude https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2023.msg395680#msg395680
« Reply #61 on: September 19, 2011, 06:49:19 pm »
not muh of a nerf, still a great card imo
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Re: Shard of Gratitude | Shard of Gratitude https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2023.msg395684#msg395684
« Reply #62 on: September 19, 2011, 06:53:46 pm »
This nerf makes the card as good as a sanctuary. Huh. Except a elementless or just life sanctuary. I'm okay with this.

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Re: Shard of Gratitude | Shard of Gratitude https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2023.msg395700#msg395700
« Reply #63 on: September 19, 2011, 07:12:26 pm »
This nerf makes the card as good as a sanctuary. Huh. Except a elementless or just life sanctuary. I'm okay with this.
Except that it:
- is cheaper
- has no elemental cost
- is far more usable
- is a lot cheaper
- is still a great healing card
- can still be used by any element
- is a great deal cheaper
- is now usable unupped
- can still heal more
- is so damn cheap and effective
- still enables firestalls and other stalls
- is still too good and game-changing to be allowed into competitive PvP
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Re: Shard of Gratitude | Shard of Gratitude https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2023.msg395711#msg395711
« Reply #64 on: September 19, 2011, 07:24:42 pm »
Would have really liked to see Life get some kind of better benefit then 1hp if you have a life mark, thats realllllllllly lame.

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Re: Shard of Gratitude | Shard of Gratitude https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2023.msg395846#msg395846
« Reply #65 on: September 19, 2011, 10:45:30 pm »
Would have really liked to see Life get some kind of better benefit then 1hp if you have a life mark, thats realllllllllly lame.
I agree. Seeing what SoS and SoR benefit the respective element marks, SoG and especially SoD lack that. 1 Point of healing stacks to be pretty great later on, so I personally think SoD's more of a problem.

I don't like how SoG is now usable in unupped decks as well, especially cheaper but stronger (with :life mark) than Sanctuary. What could be done about that?
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Re: Shard of Gratitude | Shard of Gratitude https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2023.msg395917#msg395917
« Reply #66 on: September 20, 2011, 02:10:56 am »
Hmm...yeah I'm not too happy about unupped Firestalls now having SoG available to them.  There was a suggestion to make the unupped version heal 2HP instead of 3 while keeping upped as the same, but I don't know, 2HP would make it practically useless.

Not fond of the +1HP bonus with a Life mark either.  The extra healing is useless to Life as both Druidic/Jade Staff and Heal are better substitutes in the majority of cases.  Also, if I wanted to focus on a :life deck centered around nothing but healing I'd rather use Adrenastaves or a Bond deck; the healing is just completely overshadowed.  And as for using them in a stallish deck with a :life mark...there weren't very many of those that existed before the change so I'm inclined to doubt decks will bother making the switch to make them more competitive now.  It's a bit of a nuance, but not much else.

But I guess the main purpose was to nerf SoG, and it's been nerfed.
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Re: Shard of Gratitude | Shard of Gratitude https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2023.msg395918#msg395918
« Reply #67 on: September 20, 2011, 02:13:18 am »
I would say 3/5 and 4/6...

That seems a little bit more balanced in terms of situation.

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Re: Shard of Gratitude | Shard of Gratitude https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2023.msg395957#msg395957
« Reply #68 on: September 20, 2011, 03:45:27 am »
Shouldn't the part about SoG stacking be added to the OP as a change?
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Re: Shard of Gratitude | Shard of Gratitude https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2023.msg395960#msg395960
« Reply #69 on: September 20, 2011, 03:51:21 am »
Shouldn't the part about SoG stacking be added to the OP as a change?
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Re: Shard of Gratitude | Shard of Gratitude https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2023.msg396013#msg396013
« Reply #70 on: September 20, 2011, 07:16:19 am »
Hmm...yeah I'm not too happy about unupped Firestalls now having SoG available to them.  There was a suggestion to make the unupped version heal 2HP instead of 3 while keeping upped as the same, but I don't know, 2HP would make it practically useless.

Not fond of the +1HP bonus with a Life mark either.  The extra healing is useless to Life as both Druidic/Jade Staff and Heal are better substitutes in the majority of cases.  Also, if I wanted to focus on a :life deck centered around nothing but healing I'd rather use Adrenastaves or a Bond deck; the healing is just completely overshadowed.  And as for using them in a stallish deck with a :life mark...there weren't very many of those that existed before the change so I'm inclined to doubt decks will bother making the switch to make them more competitive now.  It's a bit of a nuance, but not much else.

But I guess the main purpose was to nerf SoG, and it's been nerfed.
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I think a more balanced card would be a SoG healing 2 | 4 unupped and 2 | 5 upped. No Life mark makes it almost useless, but Life mark enables very good stalls. Of course ^this deck is pretty much overpowered, but you know, I doubt it's SoG that's the problem there.
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Re: Shard of Gratitude | Shard of Gratitude https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2023.msg398155#msg398155
« Reply #71 on: September 23, 2011, 11:26:46 pm »
Unimpressed.  This card should be set to 3 | 5 HP/turn, and heals :life creatures 1 HP per turn. 8)
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