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Re: Mitosis' Recent Nerf/Balancing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19732.msg256544#msg256544
« Reply #324 on: January 24, 2011, 10:53:03 pm »
I have to say that even in the original version i dont see this card as OP at all, its a cool card, and would've found a way into many decks.

I dont even think the combos mentioned are overpowered, they take too many cards usually from different elements and even after that it takes lots of turns till you can fill the board....
its either too vulnerable not to quint or too expensive not to use SoR or to slow(and vulnerable) to use on rushes which never kill FGs anyway....

about the flying weapons its a 3 card slow combo (4 if you quint it not to mention the quanta), you would have to build your deck around it, if you dont draw one of the cards you're just sitting there doing nothing...

speeds up life rush i guess, although it doesnt make it any less vulnerable

its very similar to fractal, doest have the vulnerability to nightmare and neurotoxin (wich are barely used) and its cheaper but on the other hand is very vulnerable to rewind lobo and cc on general (depending on what you use it) and it doesnt allow you to drop 8 creatures on a turn (the magic of fractal)

Even without the ai change i didnt find a great deck around it (unlike fractal wich is awsome)

P.S.: I vote for the old version



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Re: Mitosis' Recent Nerf/Balancing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19732.msg256566#msg256566
« Reply #325 on: January 24, 2011, 11:18:41 pm »
I think being able to target weapons was one of the most insteresting concepts I have seen. It opened up so many new concepts, and was great. Now, it is just an avg card, and even if the cost went back down to its original, it became a lot more bland card.
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Re: Mitosis' Recent Nerf/Balancing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19732.msg256567#msg256567
« Reply #326 on: January 24, 2011, 11:19:06 pm »
I just went through the entire Mitosis thread (really quickly, so I might have missed something), and it looks like I'm the only person who actually played the Mitosis/Staff deck a crapload of times and got a more-or-less solid win/loss rate -- it won 57 FG games out of 150, or about 38%.

I gotta say, I'm not impressed by that kind of number.  Sure, PVP opponents don't have an FG's advantages, but they also have smarter decks and make more intelligent decisions -- so I really don't think that PVP Mitostaves would be any more impressive than Fire Stall, Fractal Chargers, or any of the other highly-dominant PVP strategies that have come out lately. 

And that's with Mitosis as it originally was.  Take away the ability to target flying weapons, and the scariest thing you've got left is Dragon+Mitosis+SoR, which I've also tested against FGs with a miserable winrate of 6 games out of 50 -- or 12%.  Again, I really don't give a damn.

Then you go and 2 :life to the casting cost, and suddenly it's gone from "hey, I can duo/rainbow this into a thousand cool combos" to Jade Dragon+SoR or Frogs...and that's all.

In other words it went from a nifty Fractal variant to a card no one except possibly KDZ or Gl1tch gives a damn about. 


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Re: Mitosis' Recent Nerf/Balancing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19732.msg256604#msg256604
« Reply #327 on: January 24, 2011, 11:54:28 pm »
i think that the trouble come from the fact that mitosis is a simple card, what i mean its if u can by so quick cards who make u able to kill FG easier,

why not make mitosis a rare card ?
^^ its will be btw the first in  :life as pharaoh in  :time

hope it can help

Re: Mitosis' Recent Nerf/Balancing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19732.msg256740#msg256740
« Reply #328 on: January 25, 2011, 02:43:03 am »
I think being able to target weapons was one of the most insteresting concepts I have seen. It opened up so many new concepts, and was great. Now, it is just an avg card, and even if the cost went back down to its original, it became a lot more bland card.
remind that game have to be balanced
they cant add cards and overpower em just to make people happy or its the end start

take a minor phoenix and mitosis him
u'll get a quick army strickin quite good and + they can back from ashes
and a nice way to make a  :fire :life deck which not often come out

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Re: Mitosis' Recent Nerf/Balancing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19732.msg256782#msg256782
« Reply #329 on: January 25, 2011, 03:27:28 am »
I think being able to target weapons was one of the most insteresting concepts I have seen. It opened up so many new concepts, and was great. Now, it is just an avg card, and even if the cost went back down to its original, it became a lot more bland card.
remind that game have to be balanced
they cant add cards and overpower em just to make people happy or its the end start

take a minor phoenix and mitosis him
u'll get a quick army strickin quite good and + they can back from ashes
and a nice way to make a  :fire :life deck which not often come out
Hate to break it to you, but after actually being tested by players, the decks werent at all OP. The mitosised phoenix will also just die. No ashes. It removes its ability to turn to ash when you cast mitosis on it.  This is a reminder that MITOSIS WASNT OP and there was never a deck that proved that it was. Because it wasnt. Post a deck, not an idea, and it will be believed, but not a single person in this thread was EVER able to do that...
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Re: Mitosis' Recent Nerf/Balancing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19732.msg256783#msg256783
« Reply #330 on: January 25, 2011, 03:30:17 am »
He is big, red, and italicized. Can't tell about bold. I think he is serious...
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Re: Mitosis' Recent Nerf/Balancing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19732.msg256784#msg256784
« Reply #331 on: January 25, 2011, 03:33:43 am »
He is big, red, and italicized. Can't tell about bold. I think he is serious...
Yep, its bold too lol.I am serious. People post decks, otherwise you have no proof. And have decks that are proven to be successful... although at this point it is impossible.
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Re: Mitosis' Recent Nerf/Balancing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19732.msg256896#msg256896
« Reply #332 on: January 25, 2011, 10:01:49 am »


Hate to break it to you, but after actually being tested by players, the decks werent at all OP. The mitosised phoenix will also just die. No ashes. It removes its ability to turn to ash when you cast mitosis on it.  This is a reminder that MITOSIS WASNT OP and there was never a deck that proved that it was. Because it wasnt. Post a deck, not an idea, and it will be believed, but not a single person in this thread was EVER able to do that...
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minor phoenix u summon by mitosis can turn in ashes
its only the mitosised one who cant

(http://imageplay.net/view/m7Gbd128936/minor_mitosis)

here is a screen shot where u can see dat right ?
and just to say i get a bad draw on this one, since i started mitosis game was over for CPU
the deck i made in ... 1min ... can beat also lvl 5 quite good and i think if its well balanced it can face FG

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Re: Mitosis' Recent Nerf/Balancing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19732.msg256938#msg256938
« Reply #333 on: January 25, 2011, 01:00:37 pm »
could you post the deck instead of just giving a random screenshot so more people can test it? One or 2 battles means nothing, the community has to be able to test it.
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Re: Mitosis' Recent Nerf/Balancing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19732.msg257179#msg257179
« Reply #334 on: January 25, 2011, 09:11:29 pm »
IMO it's a mistake to make mitosis not work on flying weapons, it's just counter-intuitive and thats a major fault in a card game .. if we are to stop the spam of flying weapons why don't just make the daughter weapon go to the weapon slot? The daughter creature never inherts any changes in the mother anyway, that would be intuitive ...

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Re: Mitosis' Recent Nerf/Balancing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19732.msg257181#msg257181
« Reply #335 on: January 25, 2011, 09:13:14 pm »
IMO it's a mistake to make mitosis not work on flying weapons, it's just counter-intuitive and thats a major fault in a card game .. if we are to stop the spam of flying weapons why don't just make the daughter weapon go to the weapon slot? The daughter creature never inherts any changes in the mother anyway, that would be intuitive ...
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