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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg158954#msg158954
« Reply #48 on: September 15, 2010, 08:05:32 am »
You'll have to pry the longswords out of my cold dead hands... :P
Hahaha, too true!

I have tried the variations on this deck and apart from changing in 5 Life Pendulums for Towers the original version is (in my experience) the best EM lvl 3 grinder I have found.

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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg159001#msg159001
« Reply #49 on: September 15, 2010, 12:44:43 pm »
I think that with more luck you can increase your score gain even more.  For instance, yesterday I tried skipping spins for an hour just to see what my max score gain would be.  What amazed me was that I had managed to accumulate 1k score in little over 33 minutes because a massive percentage of the ai3 opponents had extremely unfortunate draws which caused my EM percentage to increase.  If someone were to be blessed by God and never run into a game without EMing the opponent, I would bet you could accumulate 1k score in around 30 minutes.
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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg159013#msg159013
« Reply #50 on: September 15, 2010, 02:10:27 pm »
You'll have to pry the longswords out of my cold dead hands... :P
Hahaha, too true!

I have tried the variations on this deck and apart from changing in 5 Life Pendulums for Towers the original version is (in my experience) the best EM lvl 3 grinder I have found.

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Glad you like it.

I actually switched to pendulums a while ago, but was waiting on the deck image generator to update before I switched the 1st post.

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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg159908#msg159908
« Reply #51 on: September 17, 2010, 05:51:54 am »
I've just made a variation of this deck, though perhaps it's unique now.

It's completely unupped, and has no rares yet.  I haven't tested it thoroughly, but after a couple dozen battles, it seems promising.

x2 Short Sword
x12 Emerald Pillar
x4 Emerald Dragon
x4 Horned Frog
x4 Heal
x4 Forest Scorpion

I noted one major problem I had when using an unupped version of the deck in the OP, was that there was no way to hit hard enough.  So I knocked out the Cockatrices and a couple of Horned Frogs to make room for the Emerald Dragons to bring some much-needed firepower to the field.  After that, I knocked out a couple of the Heals since only 2 or 3 at most are ever needed (unless things go so squirrely that you were doomed to begin with...no deck is perfect after all), and added the Short Swords (until I can get my hands on a Druidic Staff or two).  In place of the remaining Cockatrices, I used Forest Scorpions instead.  Granted, they don't pack the punch of a Cockatrice or even a Horned Frog, but having even one out on your first full turn can make an incredible difference as those poison counters start to build.  By the time you're ready to whip out a couple of dragons for the finishing blow, you have all your heals ready to fill your health and you probably only need one dragon to kill your opponent anyway.

Again...it's still a work-in-progress, and it's probably not similar enough to the OP deck to be located here, but I thought I'd offer up the variation and see what happens.

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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg159917#msg159917
« Reply #52 on: September 17, 2010, 06:17:57 am »
I've just made a variation of this deck, though perhaps it's unique now.

It's completely unupped, and has no rares yet.  I haven't tested it thoroughly, but after a couple dozen battles, it seems promising.

x2 Short Sword
x12 Emerald Pillar
x4 Emerald Dragon
x4 Horned Frog
x4 Heal
x4 Forest Scorpion

I noted one major problem I had when using an unupped version of the deck in the OP, was that there was no way to hit hard enough.  So I knocked out the Cockatrices and a couple of Horned Frogs to make room for the Emerald Dragons to bring some much-needed firepower to the field.  After that, I knocked out a couple of the Heals since only 2 or 3 at most are ever needed (unless things go so squirrely that you were doomed to begin with...no deck is perfect after all), and added the Short Swords (until I can get my hands on a Druidic Staff or two).  In place of the remaining Cockatrices, I used Forest Scorpions instead.  Granted, they don't pack the punch of a Cockatrice or even a Horned Frog, but having even one out on your first full turn can make an incredible difference as those poison counters start to build.  By the time you're ready to whip out a couple of dragons for the finishing blow, you have all your heals ready to fill your health and you probably only need one dragon to kill your opponent anyway.

Again...it's still a work-in-progress, and it's probably not similar enough to the OP deck to be located here, but I thought I'd offer up the variation and see what happens.
ok if ur going unuped granted cockatrices and horned frogs aint too powerful but if ur using uped version dont use drags they just slow u down
on a cost to damage this creature beats all (cept ball of lightning) making it ideal if u wanna go for speed also their high enough hit points makes them stand a chyance in this CC filled world
so dont use a variation (unless ur playing likie pends and maybe a druidic)this deck is better if kept as is

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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg160159#msg160159
« Reply #53 on: September 17, 2010, 09:17:40 pm »
I've just made a variation of this deck, though perhaps it's unique now.

It's completely unupped, and has no rares yet.  I haven't tested it thoroughly, but after a couple dozen battles, it seems promising.

x2 Short Sword
x12 Emerald Pillar
x4 Emerald Dragon
x4 Horned Frog
x4 Heal
x4 Forest Scorpion

I noted one major problem I had when using an unupped version of the deck in the OP, was that there was no way to hit hard enough.  So I knocked out the Cockatrices and a couple of Horned Frogs to make room for the Emerald Dragons to bring some much-needed firepower to the field.  After that, I knocked out a couple of the Heals since only 2 or 3 at most are ever needed (unless things go so squirrely that you were doomed to begin with...no deck is perfect after all), and added the Short Swords (until I can get my hands on a Druidic Staff or two).  In place of the remaining Cockatrices, I used Forest Scorpions instead.  Granted, they don't pack the punch of a Cockatrice or even a Horned Frog, but having even one out on your first full turn can make an incredible difference as those poison counters start to build.  By the time you're ready to whip out a couple of dragons for the finishing blow, you have all your heals ready to fill your health and you probably only need one dragon to kill your opponent anyway.

Again...it's still a work-in-progress, and it's probably not similar enough to the OP deck to be located here, but I thought I'd offer up the variation and see what happens.
ok if ur going unuped granted cockatrices and horned frogs aint too powerful but if ur using uped version dont use drags they just slow u down
on a cost to damage this creature beats all (cept ball of lightning) making it ideal if u wanna go for speed also their high enough hit points makes them stand a chyance in this CC filled world
so dont use a variation (unless ur playing likie pends and maybe a druidic)this deck is better if kept as is
Technically, spark wouldn't count as having a higher damage to cost ratio, since it only attacks one turn, and frog attacks as many turns as it is alive, so they can't be properly compared. Something interesting though, is that photon would technically have the greatest damage to cost ratio since it doesn't die immediately after played. The ratio of frog 5/2, the ratio of photon 1/0, 1/0 can be interpreted as infinite so it beats all other creatures. As of card advantage, photon would suck, because it takes 5 phton to do as much damage as 1 frog. Not trying to prove you wrong, just thought people might find this interesting.

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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg160189#msg160189
« Reply #54 on: September 17, 2010, 10:21:43 pm »
@ ICB:  Thanks for the input, but so far it's working for me, and after some adjustments it's sped up noticeably, I think.  So, I'll stick with it anyway.

@ Kurohami:  Interesting idea, I wonder if there's a way to exploit that for a deck.  Too bad there's no Nightfall equivalent for Light creatures.

For the sake of argument, I can't provide statistics or claims on the performance or potential of this deck.  I can only offer my opinion based on casual observation through casual gameplay.  I don't grind, and I certainly don't take notes on how many turns it takes to win, how many times out of so many games it wins, and so on.  Not that I have a problem with those that do, it's just not my schtick.

If someone wants to find out just how my version stacks up, feel free.  I'm certainly curious, just not curious enough to play in a scientific way at the expense of my fun.

Speaking of which, it's been modified...

x12 Emerald Pillar
x3 Emerald Dragon
x4 Horned Frog
x6 Heal
x1 Druidic Staff
x4 Forest Scorpion

My only problem seems to be a consistent shortage of pillars, though I haven't noticed a drastic effect on performance.  I may very well take ICB's advice and ditch the dragons just to free up more space for extra pillars.  I usually don't bring out the dragons til the kill-turn anyway, so I always have enough for them, but I always seem to be short on pillars early on.  Ah well, something to consider.

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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg160200#msg160200
« Reply #55 on: September 17, 2010, 10:31:48 pm »
@ ICB:  Thanks for the input, but so far it's working for me, and after some adjustments it's sped up noticeably, I think.  So, I'll stick with it anyway.

@ Kurohami:  Interesting idea, I wonder if there's a way to exploit that for a deck.  Too bad there's no Nightfall equivalent for Light creatures.

For the sake of argument, I can't provide statistics or claims on the performance or potential of this deck.  I can only offer my opinion based on casual observation through casual gameplay.  I don't grind, and I certainly don't take notes on how many turns it takes to win, how many times out of so many games it wins, and so on.  Not that I have a problem with those that do, it's just not my schtick.

If someone wants to find out just how my version stacks up, feel free.  I'm certainly curious, just not curious enough to play in a scientific way at the expense of my fun.

Speaking of which, it's been modified...

x12 Emerald Pillar
x3 Emerald Dragon
x4 Horned Frog
x6 Heal
x1 Druidic Staff
x4 Forest Scorpion

My only problem seems to be a consistent shortage of pillars, though I haven't noticed a drastic effect on performance.  I may very well take ICB's advice and ditch the dragons just to free up more space for extra pillars.  I usually don't bring out the dragons til the kill-turn anyway, so I always have enough for them, but I always seem to be short on pillars early on.  Ah well, something to consider.
Yeah for an unupped EM deck dragons are definately needed for damage.  That version is close to what I'd try.  However cockatrice should be better than scorpion here for the same cost.  Also instead of the staff, I'd look at another cock or dragon.

I may give this concept a try.  I haven't messed much with an unupped EM deck yet.

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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg160934#msg160934
« Reply #56 on: September 19, 2010, 03:03:52 am »
I have been using a version of this deck, grinding level 3's.  In the last couple weeks i have got to upgrade 20 of my cards.  This is the best way that i have come across to upgrade my cards.  So i would like to thank jmdt for giving me the deck idea.

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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg160940#msg160940
« Reply #57 on: September 19, 2010, 03:11:20 am »
I have been using a version of this deck, grinding level 3's.  In the last couple weeks i have got to upgrade 20 of my cards.  This is the best way that i have come across to upgrade my cards.  So i would like to thank jmdt for giving me the deck idea.


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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg162541#msg162541
« Reply #58 on: September 21, 2010, 09:23:02 pm »
I have been using a version of this deck, grinding level 3's.  In the last couple weeks i have got to upgrade 20 of my cards.  This is the best way that i have come across to upgrade my cards.  So i would like to thank jmdt for giving me the deck idea.


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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg163566#msg163566
« Reply #59 on: September 23, 2010, 06:14:12 pm »
Upped frog is always better than unupped frog, even with adrenaline.
- Not 'always'. Unupped frog does more damage with adrenaline than upped frog according to this page (http://elementswiki.co.cc/cards-life/adrenaline-epinephrine/).

 

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