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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg284471#msg284471
« Reply #144 on: March 06, 2011, 06:25:56 am »
What Higurashi says is true, however, I have had some succes with this Mitosis version:

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Blank cards being mitosis.

I dropped one frog and one cockatrice to fit in the mitosis.  The problems with shields and CC remain but mitosis does seem to even out some bad draws and damage production.

I chose to drop one of each creature type thinking to play mitosis on a frog for a AI3 without CC and on a cockatrice for those with rain of fire, eagle's eye, etc...

I also experimented with two staves instead of long swords but, once again, I found the speed increase with swords to be undeniable.
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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg284472#msg284472
« Reply #145 on: March 06, 2011, 06:28:08 am »
What Higurashi says is true, however, I have had some succes with this Mitosis version:

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6rk 6rk 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ag 7ag 7ag 7ag 7ag 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ap 7ap 7bu 7bu 7bu 7bu 7bu
Blank cards being mitosis.

I dropped one frog and one cockatrice to fit in the mitosis.  The problems with shields and CC remain but mitosis does seem to even out some bad draws and damage production.

I chose to drop one of each creature type thinking to play mitosis on a frog for a AI3 without CC and on a cockatrice for those with rain of fire, eagle's eye, etc...

I also experimented with two staves instead of long swords but, once again, I found the speed increase with swords to be undeniable.
When I get the electrum, I'll up some mitosis and try this.

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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg284584#msg284584
« Reply #146 on: March 06, 2011, 10:31:19 am »
Mitosis is also cutely useful against that Time mark with an early dune scorpion :)
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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg284592#msg284592
« Reply #147 on: March 06, 2011, 10:37:16 am »
Mitosis is also cutely useful against that Time mark with an early dune scorpion :)
That might just be the easiest Elder around though for USEM. :D

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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg284594#msg284594
« Reply #148 on: March 06, 2011, 10:43:27 am »
Yeah, it is completely a "cute-ness" rather than a serious application :D
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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg285155#msg285155
« Reply #149 on: March 07, 2011, 02:40:05 am »
Okay, big, big news.  I ran 200 test games on the version above, which has been dubbed "USEMosis" for simplicity's sake.  I will compare the stats of both decks side by side with each other, so that everyone can see the difference clearly.  *USEM=Green, USEMosis=Orange

Games: 200Avg. TTW: 7.223Avg. sec/game: 62.135Avg. Score/Min: 28.44290657Wins: 193Losses: 7Ems: 148Win %: 96.5EM%: 77%
Games: 200Avg ttw: 7.157Avg. sec/game: 61.335Avg. Score/Min: 29.01442896Wins: 197Losses: 3Ems:  145Win %: 98.5EM%: 74%
More importantly...
USEM Score/Hour:  1707
USEMosis Score/Hour:  1741

Time required to obtain 1k score:
USEM:  35.1 minutes
USEMosis:  34.5 minutes.

USEM Electrum/Hour (without spins):  1921
USEMosis Electrum/Hour (without spins):  1954

Time required to upgrade 1 card:
USEM:  46.9 minutes
USEMosis:  46.1 minutes


Now then...
After test running the "improved" variation of USEM, I have one thing to add.  Even though I managed to provide stats which support the fact that USEMosis makes more score/electrum per hour over the original USEM, I would still suggest using the older variation unless you are extremely experienced with AI3 grinding.  In order to obtain these stats I had to make decisions with practically lightning fast speed; such choices are NOT made when dealing with a deck which does not run Mitosis.  Because you have to think (yes, think) when playing Mitosis, the mindless grinding aspect is essentially removed from the equation completely, which means you could potentially take much more time considering your next move and this as a result would cause the score/min value to decrease as a result.  Plus, the fact that the values are already super, super close to each other means that with enough luck USEM could actually overtake USEMosis yet again (The first 50 games I did with USEMosis were actually lower in terms of TTW than USEM, and by the 150th game the difference between the two was 0.005TTW.  Score/Min remained in USEMosis's favor the entire time, however).
I hope this was helpful to clear up the debate between USEM with Mitosis over the same old, same old.  I'm 90% sure that the variation with 2 Mitosis is as efficient as any USEM variation running Mitosis will get.  3 in this deck requires too much quanta and reduces reliability by a greater factor, and 1 would make the difference negligible; this is as good as it gets...for now.
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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg285157#msg285157
« Reply #150 on: March 07, 2011, 02:45:44 am »
Okay, big, big news.  I ran 200 test games on the version above, which has been dubbed "USEMosis" for simplicity's sake.  I will compare the stats of both decks side by side with each other, so that everyone can see the difference clearly.  *USEM=Green, USEMosis=Orange

Games: 200Avg. TTW: 7.223Avg. sec/game: 62.135Avg. Score/Min: 28.44290657Wins: 193Losses: 7Ems: 148Win %: 96.5EM%: 77%
Games: 200Avg ttw: 7.157Avg. sec/game: 61.335Avg. Score/Min: 29.01442896Wins: 197Losses: 3Ems:  145Win %: 98.5EM%: 74%
More importantly...
USEM Score/Hour:  1707
USEMosis Score/Hour:  1741

Time required to obtain 1k score:
USEM:  35.1 minutes
USEMosis:  34.5 minutes.

USEM Electrum/Hour (without spins):  1921
USEMosis Electrum/Hour (without spins:  1954

Time required to upgrade 1 card:
USEM:  46.9
USEMosis:  46.1


Now then...
After test running the "improved" variation of USEM, I have one thing to add.  Even though I managed to provide stats which support the fact that USEMosis makes more score/electrum per hour over the original USEM, I would still suggest using the older variation unless you are extremely experienced with AI3 grinding.  In order to obtain these stats I had to make decisions with practically lightning fast speed; such choices are NOT made when dealing with a deck which does not run Mitosis.  Because you have to think (yes, think) when playing Mitosis, the mindless grinding aspect is essentially removed from the equation completely, which means you could potentially take much more time considering your next move and this as a result would cause the score/min value to decrease as a result.  Plus, the fact that the values are already super, super close to each other means that with enough luck USEM could actually overtake USEMosis yet again (The first 50 games I did with USEMosis were actually lower in terms of TTW than USEM, and by the 150th game the difference between the two was 0.005TTW.  Score/Min remained in USEMosis's favor the entire time, however).
I hope this was helpful to clear up the debate between USEM with Mitosis over the same old, same old.  I'm 90% sure that the variation with 2 Mitosis is as efficient as any USEM variation running Mitosis will get.  3 in this deck requires too much quanta and reduces reliability by a greater factor, and 1 would make the difference negligible; this is as good as it gets...for now.
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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg285158#msg285158
« Reply #151 on: March 07, 2011, 02:47:01 am »
He's a robot, don't ask. Just look at the pretty stats and enjoy.

Anyway, now that mitosis + USEM makes the new line of EM mono life *stares at wolfunit* This peaks my interest of a new series of mono life featuring cockatrices + heals + bonds for a new kind of EM deck. Or maybe just a variation of speed heal + mitosis, it will need work.

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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg285161#msg285161
« Reply #152 on: March 07, 2011, 02:49:36 am »
How do you grind that fast???
Experience and unbroken concentration.  Plus the High Speed AI setting makes things much, much easier now.  So...yes, I essentially am a robot when I grind.
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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg285223#msg285223
« Reply #153 on: March 07, 2011, 04:39:58 am »
Nice work!  Impressive stuff and it is great to see them side by side like that.

You are indeed a robot but mitosis is kinda fun is't it?  :D

(I also love that name - USEMosis!)
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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg285553#msg285553
« Reply #154 on: March 07, 2011, 06:31:31 pm »
Nice work!  Impressive stuff and it is great to see them side by side like that.

You are indeed a robot but mitosis is kinda fun is't it?  :D

(I also love that name - USEMosis!)
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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg285579#msg285579
« Reply #155 on: March 07, 2011, 07:14:23 pm »
Many thanks for the Kudos :)

It really is much appreciated but I was just messing about with your original deck and Willng3 did the hard yards.

It does feel good though to have my idea validated :D
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