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Re: Orochi | Orochi https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39561.msg491868#msg491868
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2012, 04:57:41 am »
I'm sure it deals damage first, then heals after.  So you'd be dead.

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Re: Orochi | Orochi https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39561.msg491898#msg491898
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2012, 06:29:22 am »
Personally, I don't get why this is an  :earth card. Yes, I know the explanation, but Orochi is considered a truly evil entity and it should have some link to  :darkness:death or  :entropy. What about making its activated ability an 1 :darkness:Appease?
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Re: Orochi | Orochi https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39561.msg491914#msg491914
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2012, 07:36:06 am »
Because I feel having to sacrifice a creature is cost enough.

And it is, as I see it, as evil as the next mythological being.  Not so much as being truly evil, unless you choose to be influenced by other contemporary works.

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Re: Orochi | Orochi https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39561.msg492050#msg492050
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2012, 03:02:29 pm »
Might be fun in a  :death  :earth duo deck... you coulc make a bunch of malignant cells or skellies to feed to it :D
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Re: Orochi | Orochi https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39561.msg492060#msg492060
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2012, 03:20:04 pm »
Because I feel having to sacrifice a creature is cost enough.

And it is, as I see it, as evil as the next mythological being.  Not so much as being truly evil, unless you choose to be influenced by other contemporary works.

It is a snake. All snake-like Mythological creatures are considered evil by most folklore, legends, myths and tales. Look at Greek Lernaean Hydra or Typhon, Norse Jörmungandr or the Biblic Leviathan. There are countless examples of these in every kind of culture and you won't actually find any of these being considered non-evil (even Orochi). Also, most of them have strong connections with poison. Becuase of that, I suggest it should be better as an :death/ :earth card.
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Re: Orochi | Orochi https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39561.msg492269#msg492269
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2012, 08:32:03 pm »
Well, the Orochi is seen more of a dragon as opposed to a snake.  Its reptilian nature betrays that, so it is definitely arguable.  However, I will maintain it in :earth since it also triggers "free" repeatable death effects.  Can't have that abused with Aflatoxin or Boneyard too easily.

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« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2012, 08:39:52 pm »
Well, the Orochi is seen more of a dragon as opposed to a snake.  Its reptilian nature betrays that, so it is definitely arguable.  However, I will maintain it in :earth since it also triggers "free" repeatable death effects.  Can't have that abused with Aflatoxin or Boneyard too easily.

By the way, why don't you make the Appease ability to appear passive in the card text as well? The way it has "0:Appease" shows an activated ability and not a passive one. I really think you should change that.  8) Just put "sacrifice a creature each turn to prevent Orochi from attacking you" or something like that.
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Re: Orochi | Orochi https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39561.msg492274#msg492274
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2012, 08:44:13 pm »
This is an interesting idea. Im going to post to follow.

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« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2012, 08:45:53 pm »
Actually the cost of  Appease  is the sacrificial creature.
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Re: Orochi | Orochi https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39561.msg492278#msg492278
« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2012, 08:52:21 pm »
I could definitely see this more as a :darkness Darkness card or a :fire Fire card, but this is an impressive mechanic nonetheless. I'm just imagining the interesting beneficial synergy this card would have.

Interesting overall, just questionable in :earth Earth.
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Re: Orochi | Orochi https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39561.msg492279#msg492279
« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2012, 08:52:32 pm »
Because I feel having to sacrifice a creature is cost enough.

And it is, as I see it, as evil as the next mythological being.  Not so much as being truly evil, unless you choose to be influenced by other contemporary works.

It is a snake. All snake-like Mythological creatures are considered evil by most folklore, legends, myths and tales. Look at Greek Lernaean Hydra or Typhon, Norse Jörmungandr or the Biblic Leviathan. There are countless examples of these in every kind of culture and you won't actually find any of these being considered non-evil (even Orochi). Also, most of them have strong connections with poison. Becuase of that, I suggest it should be better as an :death/ :earth card.
Actually, not all snake mythology views them as evil.
for instance Quetzalcoatal, a winged feathered serpent, which was a generally benevolent diety in Aztech culture. Serpents are often seen as symbols of fertility and rebirth as well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_(symbolism)...
But you are right Arathanasios, there are certainly just as many myths which depict serpents as symbols of evil. And this creature I think fits that category pretty well.
Since the card is using the sacrifice mechanic in an "appease me or I will kill you" manner, I would say there is definitely a strong :darkness or :death connection here.
If, on the other hand, it simply attacked random other targets if not fed, you could argue that is simply very hungry and not necessarily evil.
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Re: Orochi | Orochi https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39561.msg492281#msg492281
« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2012, 08:55:41 pm »
Eats a random smaller ally each turn? otherwise attacks you?

 

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