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Manta Ray | Elite Ray https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59425.msg1203565#msg1203565
« on: September 03, 2015, 01:14:35 pm »
NAME:
Manta Ray
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
4 :water
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3 | 7
TEXT:
Giant: Cloaks adjacent creatures and takes damage for them
NAME:
Elite Ray
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
4 :water
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3 | 8
TEXT:
Giant: Cloaks adjacent creatures and takes damage for them

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NOTES:
Some CC protection for Water.

Adjacent slots are the ones to the left and right, not above and below.

How Mantas interact:

1. Mantas only take the damage that is dealt to the creature directly
2. Mantas getting in the way and taking damage for another creature doesn't count as a direct attack (in this card at least ^^)
CHANGES:
- Raised HP by 4 for both unupped and upped, changed cost to 4 :water for both
- Changed attack to 3 for both
« Last Edit: September 05, 2015, 03:29:00 pm by AD TienzuStorm »
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Re: Manta Ray | Elite Ray https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59425.msg1203566#msg1203566
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2015, 01:16:48 pm »
Make it a health of 9 | 10 so it can take more damage
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Re: Manta Ray | Elite Ray https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59425.msg1203568#msg1203568
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2015, 01:27:12 pm »
Definitely raise HP and then probably raise cost a bit as well
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Re: Manta Ray | Elite Ray https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59425.msg1203576#msg1203576
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2015, 02:08:21 pm »
What if there are two adjacent rays?
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Re: Manta Ray | Elite Ray https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59425.msg1203580#msg1203580
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2015, 03:05:00 pm »
I guess the one in the higher value position takes priority?

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Re: Manta Ray | Elite Ray https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59425.msg1203583#msg1203583
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2015, 03:12:42 pm »
What if there are two adjacent rays?

In fact, what if two Manta Rays are separated with only one space?
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Re: Manta Ray | Elite Ray https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59425.msg1203630#msg1203630
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2015, 08:48:53 pm »
I have been informed that this speculation is in face incorrect

Spoiler for incredibly long description, just to save space ^^:
What if there are two adjacent rays?

In fact, what if two Manta Rays are separated with only one space?

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No Manta Rays:




Two Manta Rays, 0 spaces apart. RED Manta Ray is on position 1 (1st card played), BLUE Manta Ray is on position 4 (4th card played). Purple is where the hexes overlap.

Where Blue overlaps with Red, I would suggest that Blue takes priority, because it's likely to be the most recent card played and it has a higher position on the field. SoBlue takes the damage for positions 1, 3, 4, 9, 13, 17 and 21. Red takes the damage for 5, 14 and 18. However, by this logic all damage to Red Manta Ray would be relegated to Blue Manta Ray. I guess this "Manta Chaining" could lead to some very interesting deck techniques involving many Manta Rays and repeatedly Blessing or Stone Skinning the one with the highest position, but it doesn't realistically make sense.



Two Manta Rays, 1 space apart. Colour key thingy is same as before, except Blue Manta Ray is on position 3.

Red covers positions 1, 4, 5, 9, 14, 18, and 21. Blue covers positions 3, 4, 7, 8, 13, 17, and 20. They're both fighting for control of position 4, and because Blue has the higher position, it gets the honour of taking 4's damage. Wait, that's a bad thing. No "Manta Chaining" occurs here.



Obviously I'm not AD Tienzustorm so this is just random speculation really. Should AD contradict me with his ideas (because it's his card and not mine and I've totally hijacked this post) I will put everything in a spoiler and label it as Bad. Also, don't Quote this post because it's a lot of BBCode and you don't want it in your reply.
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Re: Manta Ray | Elite Ray https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59425.msg1203643#msg1203643
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2015, 09:55:02 pm »
Make it a health of 9 | 10 so it can take more damage

Definitely raise HP and then probably raise cost a bit as well

Will do, gimme a sec.

What if there are two adjacent rays?

What if there are two adjacent rays?

In fact, what if two Manta Rays are separated with only one space?

The Manta Ray played second will take priority (unless there is some coding problem, it can change, doesn't matter).

Also, it doesn't matter how far apart they are, as of generally the main reason cloaked creatures are damaged is because of AoE (and speaking of the cloaking mechanic, it doesn't go away from AoE assuming the Ray survives).
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Re: Manta Ray | Elite Ray https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59425.msg1203661#msg1203661
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2015, 10:52:14 pm »
May I ask what you intend to happen with Manta Chaining as I mentioned in my ridiculously long and incorrect description? Would a row of adjacent mantas load all of their damage onto one manta?

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Re: Manta Ray | Elite Ray https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59425.msg1203662#msg1203662
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2015, 10:53:29 pm »
I think the easiest way to deal with that it to allow damage to move only once

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Re: Manta Ray | Elite Ray https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59425.msg1203666#msg1203666
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2015, 11:03:14 pm »
May I ask what you intend to happen with Manta Chaining as I mentioned in my ridiculously long and incorrect description? Would a row of adjacent mantas load all of their damage onto one manta?
I would presume:
Damage is loaded one clump at a time(a damage event).
Each Manta can load damage once per damage event. (So no loops)
When there are 2 Manta that can load, there is a priority(latest one) that determines which loads

So a line of 4 Manta Rays would load damage onto one Manta in clumps until it is dead and then the damage would stop at the next one instead.
Example: 4 Manta Rays and 1 Photon get hit with Rain of Fire(5 clumps of 3 damage each). Then 1 Mantas would take 3 clumps each(dying from the 9 damage) and a 2nd Manta would get stuck with the last 2 clumps(6 damage) but survive. Well, actually the clump distribution would depend on placement and priority.
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Re: Manta Ray | Elite Ray https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59425.msg1203679#msg1203679
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2015, 12:21:51 am »
Yeah, basically it's just:

1. Mantas only take the damage that is dealt to the creature directly
2. Mantas getting in the way and taking damage for another creature doesn't count as a direct attack (in this card at least ^^)
3. AoE and Fire Shield do count as damage
« Last Edit: September 04, 2015, 11:28:00 am by AD TienzuStorm »
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