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Re: Imagerie | Imagerie https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43247.msg539175#msg539175
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2012, 03:07:13 am »
But not everyone does.

Maybe it can feign damage as well.  The bar appears to decrease as well, but it doesn't really.  Without that, it is mostly antiAI
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« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2012, 03:11:52 am »
Should Creatures with the Passive skill Illusion be able to use skills?
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Re: Imagerie | Imagerie https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43247.msg539177#msg539177
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2012, 03:13:51 am »
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Should Creatures with the Passive skill Illusion be able to use skills?
I think so, it makes it more believable.
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Re: Imagerie | Imagerie https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43247.msg539179#msg539179
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2012, 03:25:49 am »
It would make sense, but that seems rather troublesome to implement...
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Re: Imagerie | Imagerie https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43247.msg539181#msg539181
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2012, 03:29:54 am »
what about creature generators with illusion

like a FFQ with illusion
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Re: Imagerie | Imagerie https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43247.msg539182#msg539182
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2012, 03:31:23 am »
Why not?
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Re: Imagerie | Imagerie https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43247.msg539183#msg539183
« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2012, 03:35:03 am »
Would all fire flies also have illusion?
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Re: Imagerie | Imagerie https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43247.msg539185#msg539185
« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2012, 03:36:40 am »
They would have to be.
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Re: Imagerie | Imagerie https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43247.msg539197#msg539197
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2012, 04:04:44 am »
Why are we assuming the illusions have no effect? Lots of illusions in fantasy can hurt someone while they believe (often with damage that persists beyond disbelief). Interacting with the illusion (targeting) is the main method to disbelieve.

-The nightclaw cannot hurt you unless you believe in it. However it is deadly when you do. Here it comes. Are you sure you are doubting it sufficiently? A single mote of believe will be fatal. Are you sure? Are you su
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Re: Imagerie | Imagerie https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43247.msg539200#msg539200
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2012, 04:17:31 am »
no idea how to respond.

Quote from: OldTrees on September 05, 2012, 04:24:00 am
Quote from: EmeraldTiger on September 05, 2012, 03:39:36 am
full analyse please.
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A permanent that generates a random creature.
The creature may or may not be a mutant. Chance?
The creature may or may not be an illusion. (Real but fragile. Disappears without death when targeted) Chance?

Value = Permanent generating random creatures * Possibly mutant * Possibly Illusion
Possibly mutant = (Random creature value * Random creature chance + Mutant Value * Mutant Chance) / Random Creature Value
Possibly mutant = (Random creature value * Random creature chance + Illusion Value * Illusion Chance) / Random Creature Value
Since Fate Egg is UP, a random creature is worth 4 :underworld or less.
The Firefly ability of FFQ costs +3 :air + duo + expensive and generates a 3 :air creature.
An expensive creature skill ( :underworld :underworld) generating random creatures would be worth +5 :underworld
An expensive permanent skill ( :underworld :underworld :underworld) generating random creatures would be worth +5 :underworld
That would be 4 :entropy casting cost and  :entropy :entropy :entropy activation cost maximum prior to factoring in the deviations.
Changing from unupped to upgraded creatures would be covered by the upgrade of this card but mutants are not upgraded creatures

Lots of possible outcomes -> form of entropy -> fits Entropy.
Do Illusions fit Entropy?

I see no problem for cards that target Illusions to take effect with the exception of Devour, Immolation and Catapult. Fractal and Nightmare could create normal cards in the hand.
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Re: Imagerie | Imagerie https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43247.msg539262#msg539262
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2012, 01:51:40 pm »
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It would make sense, but that seems rather troublesome to implement...
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Re: Imagerie | Imagerie https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43247.msg539268#msg539268
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2012, 03:23:10 pm »
Quote from: Rutarete on September 05, 2012, 01:51:40 pm
Quote from: Drake_XIV on September 05, 2012, 03:25:49 am
It would make sense, but that seems rather troublesome to implement...
Never let that be an excuse.
Mostly true. Especially relevant in this case.
Absolute difficulty is a non factor up until the point the programming language or media medium starts to groan.
Relative difficulty is only a factor to decide between alternatives (useless illusions, temporary effects, permanent effect).

I prefer the illusions that are partly mental. This results in the target (the opponent) causing the damage that the illusion supposedly dealt.
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