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Fishing Rod | Master Rod https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58963.msg1197780#msg1197780
« on: July 21, 2015, 04:07:41 am »
NAME:
Fishing Rod
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
4 :water
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
2 | 5 when flying
TEXT:
Weapon: deal 2 damage
 :time :time :time Fishing:
Cast a  :water creature from your deck with no cost
NAME:
Master Rod
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
4 :water
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
4 | 6 when flown
TEXT:
Weapon: deal 4 damage
 :time :time :time Fishing:
Cast a  :water creature from your deck with no cost

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NOTES:
The card cast by Fishing is the topmost one from your deck (not hand).

Using the skill triggers neurotoxin counters, yields no result when under Silence, and when no more creatures are available will grant an error message and not deduct skill cost.

Master Rod does not upgrade creatures for you.
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« Last Edit: October 12, 2015, 05:38:14 pm by Treldon »
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Re: Fishing Rod | Master Rod https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58963.msg1197783#msg1197783
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2015, 04:55:54 am »
This could make for some super fast Water/Time rushes. Just throw these in with Arctic Dragons, HGs, and you're all set. Although the effectiveness of such a rush may be questionable. Well, right now my OP radar is silent, so I shall say good job. :D

Also, does it count as casting a card? Like, would Neurotoxin activate?
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Re: Fishing Rod | Master Rod https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58963.msg1197784#msg1197784
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2015, 05:01:07 am »
There has to be a downside to it, plus the card does say 'cast'. So yes, Neurotoxin does activate
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Re: Fishing Rod | Master Rod https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58963.msg1197843#msg1197843
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2015, 03:51:48 pm »
Does this upgraded weapon convert the creature to an upgraded version?
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Re: Fishing Rod | Master Rod https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58963.msg1197857#msg1197857
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2015, 04:18:42 pm »
Does this upgraded weapon convert the creature to an upgraded version?

No, it just reels in whatever lurks in your deck
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Re: Fishing Rod | Master Rod https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58963.msg1197906#msg1197906
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2015, 09:36:41 pm »
Bump: art added
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Re: Fishing Rod | Master Rod https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58963.msg1197915#msg1197915
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2015, 10:46:39 pm »
Does the ability cost still occur if there are no water creatures left in the deck? Does it send a message saying "no creatures left" instead?
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Re: Fishing Rod | Master Rod https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58963.msg1197921#msg1197921
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2015, 11:31:47 pm »
I would say the cost should still be deducted, but it should be the same as with Mindgate when opponent has no more cards.

So no quanta deduction and error message.
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Re: Fishing Rod | Master Rod https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58963.msg1197947#msg1197947
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2015, 01:22:06 am »
Hrm, I usually hate this board but
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Re: Fishing Rod | Master Rod https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58963.msg1197954#msg1197954
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2015, 02:13:26 am »
Thematicaly using the skill should delay the weapon. You can't hit people with a rod and fish with it at the same time :P
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Re: Fishing Rod | Master Rod https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58963.msg1197956#msg1197956
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2015, 02:26:02 am »
Thematicaly using the skill should delay the weapon. You can't hit people with a rod and fish with it at the same time :P

It does make sense, but I'm sure we can find an example to the opposite on YT  :P

I will consider adding it
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Re: Fishing Rod | Master Rod https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58963.msg1198001#msg1198001
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2015, 10:43:47 am »
While I consider silly the concept of a fishing rod in the Elemental theme, I must say that this card is brilliant, although it overrides too much the will of the RNG, thus it might call her wrath upon its user. :D

It allows who cast it to infallibly play a creature each round (or more than one if you use Animate Weapon on it and play another fishing rod). It's like a focused version of the Hourglass, with a predictable result conceived to play at the mere cost of 3 :time a creature that might cost 11 :water (Arctic Dragon) without even waiting for the RNG to let it fall in your hand.

Said that, also taking into account that Water creatures have arguably the most interesting and useful skills in the game (Lobotomize, Poison, Freeze/Congeal, Infection, Nymph Tears, Venom, Steam) I fear that this card would give an extremely unfair and game-breaking advantage to its owner unless balanced by some sort of trade off.

A few examples to illustrate what I mean and give you some concepts to elaborate:
  • Each activation might prevents all of your creature to attack for that turn.
  • Each activation reduce its user max HP by a certain amount.
  • The summoned creature is put on the field in a weakened state, which means that it will be unable to attack or use its skills for 2 or more rounds.
  • Each activation causes 1 or more points of damage to all of your creatures on the field.
  • The weapon skill can be activated only once each 3 turns.
You got the idea.

Secondly, imagine this entity which you impersonate in the game, an elemental, able to invoke the most destructive forces of the universe upon his enemies, all of a sudden unsheathing a fishing rod... isn't it a little too silly? The concept of a fishing rod is perfectly representative of the effect you created, but it would be more fitting the atmosphere of the game a more badass weapon like the "Staff of Atlantis" or the "Spear of Command" or the "Net of Glaucus"...
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