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Re: Confusion Ray | Hyperactivity Miasma https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54453.msg1136210#msg1136210
« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2014, 04:00:35 pm »
Thank you, Fippe.
That fixed it.

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Re: Confusion Ray | Hyperactivity Miasma https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54453.msg1136238#msg1136238
« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2014, 08:10:48 pm »
If you want, you can use this art image I made a while back. It seems to fit here alright:


The names are a little odd. Confusion ray kind of makes sense, but "Hyperactivity Miasma" is a little strange... makes me think of a mass adrenaline + poison spam rather than something that reorders buffs and skills.

... What do you think of "Dispersion Wave" as a name?
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Re: Confusion Ray | Hyperactivity Miasma https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54453.msg1136259#msg1136259
« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2014, 01:21:28 am »
Not sure why upped is 3 :chroma. Should probably stay in Entropy.

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Re: Confusion Ray | Hyperactivity Miasma https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54453.msg1136263#msg1136263
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2014, 01:32:56 am »
Hyperactive Miasma is much better.
This sounds very complicated for a very negative effect. Oddly enough, we already have pandemonium. So make this much more unique. Probably by making it darkness. Or Light. Or something not entropy or aether.

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Re: Confusion Ray | Hyperactivity Miasma https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54453.msg1136314#msg1136314
« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2014, 04:38:20 pm »
Most, if not all, of the applications of this card are in other colours, Skyironsword.
It's the same reason flying weapon is :chroma upgraded; so you don't need to make EVERY SINGLE DECK that uses it be at least a duo. I tend to find that annoying. Trios are really hard to properly balance and as a result I feel that I need to remove the entropy to make decks that use this simpler and easier to create.

2 and 3 quanta is basically the same upgraded anyways.

It's not nessessarily a negative effect, Deathreign;
You can do a lot of random things with this card, and with some CC, you can do a lot of reliable, positive things.
Remove burrow from Graboid and Mitosis it, for example.
Endow creatures other than Crusader, such as Deja VĂș, Golden Dragon...

With some reliable CC, all this is yours.

And the reason it's hyperactivITY miasma as opposed to hyperactivE miasma is because to keep the infinitive because It really bugs me when prefixes and suffixes of words don't .
"Confusion" is the status of being confused. "Hyperactivity" is the status of being hyperactive.
"Hyperactive", for example, says "I'm hyperactive!", just like I would have to say "I'm Confused!", and that bugs me.
So basically it's just my quasi-OCD.

How one would even name this card in the first place is questionble;
It completely changes the entire board in a way that is both negative and positive or both players but can be manipulated to be good for you...
It completely changes how both you and the enemy are trying to play their deck and their decisions in a single card...
It completely messes up how you planned your next few turns...

௵_௵ would be an apt name.
Dispersion Wave would imply that the abilities and counters are being spread out, not merely moved around.
... Mass lobtomy only applies for the mental abilities and not the counters and physical effects, for example.

How would we name this, thinking about it?

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Re: Confusion Ray | Hyperactivity Miasma https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54453.msg1136345#msg1136345
« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2014, 08:29:57 pm »
Animate weapon is 1 :chroma because it's the only nonzero cost lower than 1 :air.

Meanwhile, here you could just do 2 :entropy.

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Re: Confusion Ray | Hyperactivity Miasma https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54453.msg1136474#msg1136474
« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2014, 04:12:24 pm »
If animate weapon was 2 :air unupped, thus 1 :air unupped, would that be even as close as good as 1 :chroma?
No.

I could make it 2 :entropy, but you have SO MUCH MORE quanta in upgraded decks that it's not even an upgrade.
This card is stronger and is more appliable if it's :chroma, because every deck that uses it would have to be at least a duo, in most cases trios or quartets, and those things are SO hard to balance.

If I used my favourite example of Grabboids, this and mitosis, that's Life, Time, Earth. That's already a trio. Why make it a quartet just for 3 entropy?

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Re: Confusion Ray | Hyperactivity Miasma https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54453.msg1136504#msg1136504
« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2014, 08:52:48 pm »
If animate weapon was 2 :air unupped, thus 1 :air unupped, would that be even as close as good as 1 :chroma?
No.
That would just mean that it's underpowered unupped. If Shockwave, for instance, costed 1 :chroma it would be overpowered. This is not a sensible effect to allow outside entropy.

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Re: Confusion Ray | Hyperactivity Miasma https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54453.msg1136570#msg1136570
« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2014, 11:16:05 pm »
"Hey! Let me make my tridents fly! WITH THE POWER OF WATER!"
"Hey! Let me drink my holy water! WITH THE POWER OF DARKNESS!"
"Hey! Let me apply this shield! WITH THE POWER OF [Whichever element doesn't like using shields, I'd say Aether or Time here[Aether doesn't like using normal shields]]"
"Hey! Let me attack you with photons! WITH THE POWER OF DEATH!"
"Hey! Let me attack you with sparks! WITH THE POWER OF EARTH!"

Decks that do not try to manipulate this effect have no use for it, just like animate weapon and just like luciferin and just like photon and just like spark.

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Re: Confusion Ray | Hyperactivity Miasma https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54453.msg1136574#msg1136574
« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2014, 11:43:01 pm »
"Hey! Let me make my tridents fly! WITH THE POWER OF WATER!"
"Hey! Let me drink my holy water! WITH THE POWER OF DARKNESS!"
"Hey! Let me apply this shield! WITH THE POWER OF [Whichever element doesn't like using shields, I'd say Aether or Time here[Aether doesn't like using normal shields]]"
"Hey! Let me attack you with photons! WITH THE POWER OF DEATH!"
"Hey! Let me attack you with sparks! WITH THE POWER OF EARTH!"

Decks that do not try to manipulate this effect have no use for it, just like animate weapon and just like luciferin and just like photon and just like spark.

I have another one.
"Hey! Let me attack you with Lightning! WITH THE POWER OF WATER!"

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Re: Confusion Ray | Hyperactivity Miasma https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54453.msg1136585#msg1136585
« Reply #34 on: May 17, 2014, 01:38:59 am »
"Hey! Let me make my tridents fly! WITH THE POWER OF WATER!"
"Hey! Let me drink my holy water! WITH THE POWER OF DARKNESS!"
"Hey! Let me apply this shield! WITH THE POWER OF [Whichever element doesn't like using shields, I'd say Aether or Time here[Aether doesn't like using normal shields]]"
"Hey! Let me attack you with photons! WITH THE POWER OF DEATH!"
"Hey! Let me attack you with sparks! WITH THE POWER OF EARTH!"

Decks that do not try to manipulate this effect have no use for it, just like animate weapon and just like luciferin and just like photon and just like spark.
The tridents aren't flying. They're animated. Why do you think the name is changed?
And luciferin is not holy water, it's shiny stuff. :D
The reason shield is in other is because all elements, including aether and time, like shields.
And photons bring death.
And sparks end in the earth.

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Re: Confusion Ray | Hyperactivity Miasma https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54453.msg1136586#msg1136586
« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2014, 01:41:13 am »
My point still stands-

Every use for this card would make every deck at least a duo, arguably at least a trio, and quite a few quartets.
Those things are hard to balance.

3 :chroma I feel is a better and more effective and reliable upgrade than 2 :entropy.

 

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