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Re: Predator's Pounce | Predator's Bite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57382.msg1176006#msg1176006
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2015, 03:17:52 am »
Drawing cards is not typical of fire, yet it has SoBr. There are such things as exceptions.
Fire is aggressive, fast, reckless, and inflicts lots of damage in a short time. While I've never been a huge fan of SoB's thematics, it at least makes sense. More importantly, it doesn't really redefine the element.

This card redefines the element Life. Life is seen as passive, it focuses on outhealing and outrushing other decks but doesn't have a lot of ways to deal with threats. But control is not something that it has. Adding in a control card would allow an entirely new archetype of decks and add an extra dimension to Life. Is this a good thing? Maybe. But it can't be written off as something on the same scale as SoB. Predator's Pounce is thematically Life, but there is no existing precedent for a Life CC card. It could be a good thing or a bad thing. All I'm saying is that it could have big implications.
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Re: Predator's Pounce | Predator's Bite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57382.msg1176007#msg1176007
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2015, 03:53:04 am »
It certainly would have an impact. But would that be bad?

One of the biggest issues I have/had with the game is the rigidity of how the themes of the elements.
Life being passive? Heck, nothing should be more diverse than life - except for entropy perhaps.
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While I agree that in a game such as this some limits have to exist on what each element can do. But that should not mean that 'this element can only have these two effects', more like 'okay, this element is generally good in this - but this one card can do this as well'
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Re: Predator's Pounce | Predator's Bite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57382.msg1176105#msg1176105
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2015, 08:28:01 am »
I reaaally like the idea and I think the mechanic is balanced. However, I'm still iffy on Life gaining CC, even such thematically appropriate CC. It would certainly make Life more powerful and probably more balanced, but... its lack of control is one of its defining features. I like the card, but I'm not sure if I support the idea.

In my opinion, CC/PC is fine in life as long as it doesn't become playable in life stalls - it keeps the passive nature of that stall, instead of turning it into a light/fire stall hybrid.

That doesn't mean overload it with CC/PC, but I feel rush-orientated control has a bit more leeway in life.


(And life is passive, because every other stall except light is aggressive. Life stalls are, as they stand right now, the exact opposite of nearly every other stall, and that needs to be respected.

Oh, and also, The element's themes are incredibly soft - it's possible to justify putting most things in most elements.

Oh, and a tiger ripping its prey's throat isn't life, because something is dying. Life cares more about unchecked growth. Killing something does remove a bit of growth, which is kinda against life.
But as long as you keep it out of the stall...)
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Re: Predator's Pounce | Predator's Bite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57382.msg1176168#msg1176168
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2015, 03:30:11 am »
Life has had mostly only rushes and stalls, and this card is a good addition to rushes and not so much to stalls. They don't have as many creatures out at a time.
This card also has a precedent in Empathetic Bond. Both cards draw their effectiveness from the number of creatures you have on your field.

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Re: Predator's Pounce | Predator's Bite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57382.msg1176991#msg1176991
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2015, 06:36:55 am »
I definitely like the upped version... unupped seems a little weak in comparison.

The thematics of a predator pouncing seem a little random wrt the mechanic, but otherwise I like the card a lot.
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Re: Predator's Pounce | Predator's Bite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57382.msg1176999#msg1176999
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2015, 08:04:10 am »
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The thematics of a predator pouncing seem a little random wrt the mechanic, but otherwise I like the card a lot.

The name PP came from a discussion we had on chat regarding possible names for my other card (now Survival Trait).

Adding the heal to the unupped would of course be possible, though I originally wanted the upped to be special.
How does +3 for unupped, +5 for upped sound?
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Re: Predator's Pounce | Predator's Bite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57382.msg1177038#msg1177038
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2015, 06:16:42 pm »
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The thematics of a predator pouncing seem a little random wrt the mechanic, but otherwise I like the card a lot.

The name PP came from a discussion we had on chat regarding possible names for my other card (now Survival Trait).

Adding the heal to the unupped would of course be possible, though I originally wanted the upped to be special.
How does +3 for unupped, +5 for upped sound?
I like that idea.
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Re: Predator's Pounce | Predator's Bite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57382.msg1177039#msg1177039
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2015, 06:21:21 pm »
Adding the heal to the unupped would of course be possible, though I originally wanted the upped to be special.
How does +3 for unupped, +5 for upped sound?

It also occured to me to have the damage rounded up instead of down (+1 damage in case of odd numbered creatures). But for that and the added healing + :life cost raise
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Re: Predator's Bite | Predator's Bite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57382.msg1177050#msg1177050
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2015, 09:18:05 pm »
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