Bloodletting | Bloodletting

[Treldon]

NAME: Bloodletting ELEMENT: Death COST: 3 TYPE: Spell TEXT: Deals 1 damage to every creature on the field. Deal damage to target for every creature affected	NAME: Bloodletting ELEMENT: Death COST: 2 TYPE: Spell TEXT: Deals 1 damage to every creature on the field. Deal damage to target for every creature affected

ART: IDEA: Treldon NOTES: Yes, it was inspired by Dry spell

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NAME: Bloodletting ELEMENT: Death COST: 5 TYPE: Spell TEXT: Deals 1 damage to all your creatures. Deal X/2 damage to opponent (X is number of creatures affected)	NAME: Bloodletting ELEMENT: Death COST: 4 TYPE: Spell TEXT: Deals 1 damage to all your creatures. Deal X/2 damage to opponent (X is number of creatures affected)

[Sera]

I think this is underpowered. This deals 12 damage at most with a huge setup, pretty bad compared to Unstable Gas. Can this be used to target creatures?

[Treldon]

I think this is underpowered. This deals 12 damage at most with a huge setup, pretty bad compared to Unstable Gas. Can this be used to target creatures?

Not originally, but might as well.

As for the damage, the calculation/balancing is tricky. Full damage would be probably too much (Afla+Nightfall+thisx2 would be 50 damage). Half is not enough.
80% perhaps?

[Espithel]

23 damage is fine, considering how hard it is to actually get 23 creatures out.
I'd even feel fine with double that (Because fractal to this is much slower than fractal to psiontal massacre. And mitosis to this is much slower than mitosis to dragon massacre.)

[Treldon]

One other thing I have been considering, but did not say on chat, would be to also damage yourself, but increase the damage done to the opponent.

For example (let's say full damage)
Unupped
You receive X/2 damage, opponent receives 1.5X damage - so in case of 25 creatures you get 13, opponent gets 38. For 6 creatures (the average I believe) 3 damage to you, 9 to opponent

Upped, you receive X, opponent 1.75X - you get 25 damage, opponent 44. With 6 creatures 6 damage to you, 11 to opponent

Too much?

[dracomageat]

44 damage does seem a lot, yes, and if 6 is the average, it should be balanced around 8 or 9 to account for the fact that it will only see use in decks that can abuse it.
My suggestion would be to make the damage you take part of the equation for what your opponents take and maybe even factor in your shield. Perhaps:

Deal 1 damage to each of your creatures and they deal half as much to you.
Your opponent loses max HP equal to the total damage dealt.

[skyironsword]

Afla+Nightfall+thisx2 would be 50 damage

Cells aren't death or darkness.

[Devourer]

This already damages your creatures, why would it need to do extra damage to you? Considering how hard it is to actually get 23 creatures out, I say you just keep it as X damage dealt. Afla is a very weak combo at best, since without SoPa you can only do max 23 damage, which takes minimum 4 turns to get out, and in practice much longer. The card is rather UP in its current state, so I see no reason to deal damage to yourself as well.

[Sera]

For comparison, fire bolt deals 24 damage with an easier setup, while this does 23 damage at max at 1/creature, and you can only cast it 1-2 times before having to spawn creatures again. But you can also treat the creature damage as beneficial because of the death effects, so maybe that balances it out. Damaging both players might narrow down the card's use to decks that have healing.

[Treldon]

Cells aren't death or darkness.

Right, totally forgot that. Thanks.

For comparison, fire bolt deals 24 damage with an easier setup, while this does 23 damage at max at 1/creature, and you can only cast it 1-2 times before having to spawn creatures again. But you can also treat the creature damage as beneficial because of the death effects, so maybe that balances it out. Damaging both players might narrow down the card's use to decks that have healing.

With death effects it would be useful in a mono death setup: You have some squishy creatures out, kill them with this and bam, you have skellies (I know, not much of an improvement, but still something), potentially more than the number of creatures you had (several graveyards) plus a bunch of  with soulcatcher. And an awfully big bonewall

Okay, so it is pretty much a death mono only card...hmm

Anyway, what would you say if it only dealt X damage to target (X being the creatures affected), but affected both sides of the field?

[Devourer]

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Anyway, what would you say if it only dealt X damage to target (X being the creatures affected), but affected both sides of the field?

Dry Spell, but useful? Seconded! However, in this scenario, the cost should be upped to around 7+, since it suddenly has much more utility and damaging effects.

[montrossen]

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Anyway, what would you say if it only dealt X damage to target (X being the creatures affected), but affected both sides of the field?

Yes, that would be better. Also, consider this with voodoo dolls.