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Post by: Sera on February 04, 2015, 05:19:20 pm
Post by: Treldon on February 04, 2015, 05:26:25 pm
I think this is underpowered. This deals 12 damage at most with a huge setup, pretty bad compared to Unstable Gas. Can this be used to target creatures?
Not originally, but might as well.
As for the damage, the calculation/balancing is tricky. Full damage would be probably too much (Afla+Nightfall+thisx2 would be 50 damage). Half is not enough.
80% perhaps?
Post by: Espithel on February 04, 2015, 05:33:54 pm
I'd even feel fine with double that (Because fractal to this is much slower than fractal to psiontal massacre. And mitosis to this is much slower than mitosis to dragon massacre.)
Post by: Treldon on February 04, 2015, 06:07:15 pm
For example (let's say full damage)
Unupped
You receive X/2 damage, opponent receives 1.5X damage - so in case of 25 creatures you get 13, opponent gets 38. For 6 creatures (the average I believe) 3 damage to you, 9 to opponent
Upped, you receive X, opponent 1.75X - you get 25 damage, opponent 44. With 6 creatures 6 damage to you, 11 to opponent
Too much?
Post by: dracomageat on February 04, 2015, 06:18:42 pm
My suggestion would be to make the damage you take part of the equation for what your opponents take and maybe even factor in your shield. Perhaps:
Deal 1 damage to each of your creatures and they deal half as much to you.
Your opponent loses max HP equal to the total damage dealt.
Post by: skyironsword on February 04, 2015, 10:51:19 pm
Afla+Nightfall+thisx2 would be 50 damageCells aren't death or darkness.
Post by: Devourer on February 05, 2015, 01:06:08 am
Post by: Sera on February 05, 2015, 05:29:09 am
Post by: Treldon on February 05, 2015, 07:52:37 am
Cells aren't death or darkness.
Right, totally forgot that. Thanks.
For comparison, fire bolt deals 24 damage with an easier setup, while this does 23 damage at max at 1/creature, and you can only cast it 1-2 times before having to spawn creatures again. But you can also treat the creature damage as beneficial because of the death effects, so maybe that balances it out. Damaging both players might narrow down the card's use to decks that have healing.
With death effects it would be useful in a mono death setup: You have some squishy creatures out, kill them with this and bam, you have skellies (I know, not much of an improvement, but still something), potentially more than the number of creatures you had (several graveyards) plus a bunch of :death with soulcatcher. And an awfully big bonewall
Okay, so it is pretty much a death mono only card...hmm
Anyway, what would you say if it only dealt X damage to target (X being the creatures affected), but affected both sides of the field?
Post by: Devourer on February 05, 2015, 11:37:08 pm
-snip-Dry Spell, but useful? Seconded! However, in this scenario, the cost should be upped to around 7+, since it suddenly has much more utility and damaging effects.
Anyway, what would you say if it only dealt X damage to target (X being the creatures affected), but affected both sides of the field?
Post by: montrossen on February 06, 2015, 08:52:15 am
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-snap-Yes, that would be better. Also, consider this with voodoo dolls.
Anyway, what would you say if it only dealt X damage to target (X being the creatures affected), but affected both sides of the field?
Post by: Treldon on February 08, 2015, 12:23:58 pm
Post by: russianspy1234 on March 02, 2015, 12:03:23 am
Post by: Chapuz on March 02, 2015, 02:31:57 pm
Maybe it would have to be cheaper, 3/2?
Post by: Ginyu on March 02, 2015, 03:07:21 pm
I agree to make it cheaper - 3/2 sounds good - just compare with:
Post by: Treldon on March 02, 2015, 03:36:33 pm
A bit of tweaking and to Crucible it goes!
Post by: Treldon on March 17, 2015, 02:51:52 pm
Thanks for the feedback along the way