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Hypnotic Specter | Dream Wraith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60512.msg1215483#msg1215483
« on: November 19, 2015, 05:19:00 pm »
NAME:
Hypnotic Specter
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
4 :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
4 | 1
TEXT:
:light : Hypnototize - Until next turn, counter your opponent's next spell. Add a :darkness :death :life or :light card to your hand if so.
NAME:
Dream Wraith
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
6 :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
5 | 7
TEXT:
:light : Dreamwalker - Until next turn, adds a :darkness :death :life or :light spell to owner's hand each time opponent casts a spell.

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Canoncial quartet capstone card.

(Yes, I know about the MtG card. This is not a port. I just loved the name ;)  )

The unupgraded version is a hard spell counter card. Each specter will stop a separate spell, so if you have N specters, you will be able to stop the next N spells your opponent tries to cast.

The upgraded version is a soft counter. It does not stop the spells, but it is not limited in the number of times it can trigger once activated (except for by the number of free slots you have in your hand).
Multiple wraiths may trigger at the same time, so with 2 wraiths, you would get 2 spells for every 1 spell your opponent casts.

Lastly, the wraiths will still trigger even if the opponent's spell is countered by a specter, so there is an advantage to having both types in play.
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NAME:
Hypnotic Specter
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
5 :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3 | 6
TEXT:
:light : Hypnototize - Until next turn, counter your opponent's next spell. Add a :darkness :death :life or :light card to your hand if so.
NAME:
Dream Wraith
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
6 :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
5 | 7
TEXT:
:light : Dreamwalker - Until next turn, adds a :darkness :death :life or :light spell to owner's hand each time opponent casts a spell.

ART:
OdinVanguard
IDEA:
OdinVanguard
NOTES:
"Secrets and misdirection rule the day today"

"Where do monsters lurk in our dreams?"

Canoncial quartet capstone card.

(Yes, I know about the MtG card. This is not a port. I just loved the name ;)  )

The unupgraded version is a hard spell counter card. Each specter will stop a separate spell, so if you have N specters, you will be able to stop the next N spells your opponent tries to cast.

The upgraded version is a soft counter. It does not stop the spells, but it is not limited in the number of times it can trigger once activated (except for by the number of free slots you have in your hand).
Multiple wraiths may trigger at the same time, so with 2 wraiths, you would get 2 spells for every 1 spell your opponent casts.

Lastly, the wraiths will still trigger even if the opponent's spell is countered by a specter, so there is an advantage to having both types in play.
SERIES:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/card-ideas-and-art/canonical-quartet-hybrid-capstones/
« Last Edit: November 19, 2015, 09:22:37 pm by OdinVanguard »
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Re: Hypnotic Specter | Dream Wraith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60512.msg1215499#msg1215499
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2015, 08:33:35 pm »
Unupped should be ":light - Hypnotize"
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Re: Hypnotic Specter | Dream Wraith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60512.msg1215500#msg1215500
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2015, 08:45:47 pm »
Doesn't this essentially turn into "Your opponent can't play spells. Drain :light each turn"?

That's a pretty nasty effect. Even if it is balanced, I wouldn't call it fun. I prefer the upgraded's effect for that reason.

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Re: Hypnotic Specter | Dream Wraith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60512.msg1215502#msg1215502
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2015, 09:01:05 pm »
Unupped counters "only" the first spell played next turn, but yes, it's pretty much the same
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Re: Hypnotic Specter | Dream Wraith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60512.msg1215506#msg1215506
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2015, 09:14:29 pm »
Doesn't this essentially turn into "Your opponent can't play spells. Drain :light each turn"?

That's a pretty nasty effect. Even if it is balanced, I wouldn't call it fun. I prefer the upgraded's effect for that reason.
openEtG has a creature with counter spell. It even evades spell targeting, and it isn't that OP or horrible to come up against.
(see the Null Mantis card I posted in the weekly card creation event a few weeks back).
It does have a good deal fewer HPs though.
I can drop the HPs on the unupgraded version if needed.

I will grant that openEtG does have some addition CC mechanics.

'Spell' here only refers to spell cards. The opponent can still play any creatures or permanents they want.
There are plenty of ways to deal with this... Owl's Eye, lobotomizer / mindflayer, poison (parasite, toadfish, grey nymph), fire nymphs, various CC shields, etc.
If I drop the HP otyughs could be a go as well.

I will drop the HP to 2 and boost ATK a little.
At that point, every element except :light has at least one viable non-spell counter.

Of course, players could use Quint or anubis, but that would require adding out of quartet elements... aether mark might work. It would be a very specialized deck though.

As a last, related point, this card could backfire by clogging your hand and locking draws if you don't have enough quanta generation.

Dropped unupgraded stats to a 4|1 for 4 :darkness
« Last Edit: November 19, 2015, 09:23:16 pm by OdinVanguard »
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