Post by: majofa on March 02, 2011, 05:47:17 am
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on March 02, 2011, 06:18:18 am
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Post by: TheIdioticIdiot on March 02, 2011, 01:06:39 pm
gravity nymphs >.<
modifed mono aether with explosions and some electrocutors
explode cloak when jezebel has an air nymph and lobo
Post by: willng3 on March 03, 2011, 01:45:00 pm
Post by: TheIdioticIdiot on March 03, 2011, 01:49:21 pm
the time I faced jezebel with shakars, she got 3 gravity nymphs >.>
Post by: tttt on March 04, 2011, 09:22:48 am
Post by: zupermannd on March 07, 2011, 02:06:40 pm
? ? ? is becourse deck codes now contain mark
Jezebel killed a Lava Destroyer with his Fire Nymph, that was the only time he ever used the nymphs's abilities, ecept the Water Nymph's
Do you think it will be a stable deck? or was I just lucky?
Post by: kev on March 07, 2011, 03:00:21 pm
Post by: Kakerlake on March 13, 2011, 10:57:54 am
(6 Rares)
Just one thing: Try to not play any non pillar permament if you can't protect it! 1st thing to play is a PA'd shield, then you go for the SoG's (play only if you have 5 :earth, RNG likes to take 3 :earth to play SoG pretty often).
If you don't like deckout, add Fahrenheit x2.
If you don't like Stilletos, add Deflag x2.
Post by: Krahhl on March 14, 2011, 12:16:00 am
The towers/pendulums are the only permanents, meaning they will be the only thing she steals. I'm actually not sure about the aether tower version since I don't use it, but I know that she will always use nymph's tears on a entropy pendulum before a quantum tower. Yay, seeing as none of your creatures are vulnerable to antimatter anyway.
Post by: teffy on March 18, 2011, 11:34:09 am
Without Quantum Towers, the enemy can only use your towers (steal), but they are enchanted next, or you can make them useless for him.
I try to find a deck.
Post by: tttt on March 18, 2011, 01:16:54 pm
I think there´s another way to go here: 6 Enchanted Artifacts, and the first one should be used on Quantum Towers, before the first cloak comes.I've beaten Jez several times with CCYB+2PAs. It's important to PA the QTs early, and then don't give her anything to steal (weapon and SoGs/Sancts). Then you can easily beat her with a single Quinted creature, and use a PA on your pulvy when you get both cards. If I spin her on oracle I may just use my regular deck but throw in a couple extra PAs.
Without Quantum Towers, the enemy can only use your towers (steal), but they are enchanted next, or you can make them useless for him.
I try to find a deck.
Post by: TheIdioticIdiot on March 18, 2011, 07:01:36 pm
get rid of all the dim shields
add in 2 more EAs (for a total of 6)
and 2 stone pillars, and 2 shields (the new other card)
use EA on her towers, and she is done for... (save one for you shield)
Post by: primarycolors on March 19, 2011, 07:00:48 pm
use EA on her towers, and she is done for... (save one for your shield)This, along with other people's suggestions, gave me the inspiration for this deck (the blank cards are Sanctuaries):
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Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on March 19, 2011, 07:07:04 pm
I think it would do much better upgraded. Mirror shield totally shuts Water Nymphs down and stolen QTs will stack with Jezebel's protected Towers.use EA on her towers, and she is done for... (save one for you shield)This, along with other people's suggestions, gave me the inspiration for this deck (the blank cards are Sanctuaries):Code: [Select]4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 592 592 592 592 592 592 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f6 5l9 5lg 5lg 5lm 5lm 5ro
I tried it in the trainer, and went 8-2. Thoughts?
Other than that, looks good. Maybe -1 pillar +1 rewind in case Eternity is the last card.
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on March 19, 2011, 07:07:57 pm
Not worth the time to deck Jez out. Add a hard hitter and a quint.use EA on her towers, and she is done for... (save one for your shield)This, along with other people's suggestions, gave me the inspiration for this deck (the blank cards are Sanctuaries):Code: [Select]4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 592 592 592 592 592 592 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f6 5l9 5lg 5lg 5lm 5lm 5ro
The idea is to EA Jezebel's QTs, then your own pillars. The Deflags are for Cloaks and Vampire Daggers, and Reflective Shield blocks Siphon Life. Sanctuary buys you enough time to deck her out. I tried it in the trainer, and went 8-2. Thoughts?
Post by: primarycolors on March 19, 2011, 07:34:31 pm
Oh, it definitely would work better upgraded. I had started this out as an unupped. rareless deck, but threw in the Eternity/photon to maximize getting an EA (or more) in the opening hand.I think it would do much better upgraded. Mirror shield totally shuts Water Nymphs down and stolen QTs will stack with Jezebel's protected Towers.use EA on her towers, and she is done for... (save one for you shield)This, along with other people's suggestions, gave me the inspiration for this deck (the blank cards are Sanctuaries):Code: [Select]4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 592 592 592 592 592 592 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f6 5l9 5lg 5lg 5lm 5lm 5ro
I tried it in the trainer, and went 8-2. Thoughts?
Other than that, looks good. Maybe -1 pillar +1 rewind in case Eternity is the last card.
Forbidden, I like your idea--perhaps a quint and a lava golem, or just a good dragon. Not sure what to take out for it, though...
Post by: Essence on March 19, 2011, 09:25:40 pm
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Consider adding a Titanium Shield or 2 -- just don't play it until you can PA it; IMX it's not necessary, but it can help.
Post by: kobisjeruk on March 22, 2011, 07:37:08 am
fortunately my pimped out version also have a titanium shield (diamond shield cost too much to be usable early) and with only a single water nymph, Jez doesnt do much other than poke me a couple of times
GG
Post by: kev on March 27, 2011, 01:08:17 pm
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Post by: Essence on March 27, 2011, 08:14:43 pm
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Post by: willng3 on March 29, 2011, 05:04:18 pm
I just got done playing 20 games vs. Jezzie with this, and it won 19/20 -- better than Sha'kars.Ha, I played this against her and worked like a charm. I didn't draw 5 of my Graboids until I was at the last 13 cards of my deck, but I still managed to kill her easily, even with a Permafrost pissing me off in the meantime.Code: [Select]6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 77g 77g 77g 77g 77g 77g 77i 77i 77i 77i 77i 77i 7q4 7q4 7q4 7q4Pretty straightforward: PA her QTs, then her Water Towers, then your SoGs as they come out. Evolve ASAP and burrow immediately to avoid Siphon Life. With no Nymphs, her only offense is vamp dagger, and your SoGs can keep you alive. If Permafrost gets lucky, you might deck out, but it's not all that likely. Rewind is for any Nymphs she does get out, but also to rewind and recast a frozen Shrieker in order to reduce the Freeze time (and buy yourself more turns to kill her.)
Post by: Jappert on March 31, 2011, 07:29:54 am
I had the same, the combination between permafrost and vamp dagger totally ruined me though.I just got done playing 20 games vs. Jezzie with this, and it won 19/20 -- better than Sha'kars.Ha, I played this against her and worked like a charm. I didn't draw 5 of my Graboids until I was at the last 13 cards of my deck, but I still managed to kill her easily, even with a Permafrost pissing me off in the meantime.Code: [Select]6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 77g 77g 77g 77g 77g 77g 77i 77i 77i 77i 77i 77i 7q4 7q4 7q4 7q4Pretty straightforward: PA her QTs, then her Water Towers, then your SoGs as they come out. Evolve ASAP and burrow immediately to avoid Siphon Life. With no Nymphs, her only offense is vamp dagger, and your SoGs can keep you alive. If Permafrost gets lucky, you might deck out, but it's not all that likely. Rewind is for any Nymphs she does get out, but also to rewind and recast a frozen Shrieker in order to reduce the Freeze time (and buy yourself more turns to kill her.)
I'm not convinced this is a reliable solution yet... :(
Post by: deepdown on April 12, 2011, 03:37:32 pm
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http://imageplay.net/view/m7Gbd171380/dg_ingame (http://imageplay.net/view/m7Gbd171380/dg_ingame)
Post by: lskpiano on April 21, 2011, 01:24:42 am
As usual, thanks guys, you all rock!
LSK Piano
Post by: tttt on May 06, 2011, 08:17:56 am
Tried this one today, works pretty good. I used -4 steals and +2 towers, and all upgraded of course. EMd Jezy with 5 siphons in turn 22.Code: [Select]592 592 592 592 592 592 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5up 5up 5up 5up 5up 5up 5us 5us 5us 5us 5us 5us
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on May 07, 2011, 12:33:28 pm
Post by: tttt on May 07, 2011, 02:18:41 pm
... stupid RnG... clogged my hand up with steals and only 1 starting pillar... should've just tried rushing herThose steals are useless, you need 1 steal to get a dagger and that's it. Having a couple of PAs in your hand is much more important, next time I face her I'll be using a 32 deck with 2 steals, 6 PAs and Siphons and the rest towers. The odds are I'll have enough dark quanta to kill her with 5 siphons by the time I deck.
Post by: majofa on May 07, 2011, 04:14:54 pm
Post by: tttt on May 07, 2011, 04:19:37 pm
What if Jezebel gets a Cloak before you can PA her Quantum Towers?Then you're Zanzarinoed.
Post by: Jangoo on May 10, 2011, 11:58:41 pm
Or perhaps not ... FIGHT TO THE DEATH ... and win:What if Jezebel gets a Cloak before you can PA her Quantum Towers?Then you're Zanzarinoed.
(http://www.abload.de/img/ccyb_jezebel1y7ns.jpg) (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=ccyb_jezebel1y7ns.jpg)
As you can probably see, she pulled nearly every nasty trick she has
during this game but I struck back with daring pulvy-use, advanced
counterquinting and of course a somewhat delayed PAing of her QT-stack.
Post by: Jappert on May 11, 2011, 04:42:29 pm
Just lost with this, mostly upgraded (not all towers). She chained two cloaks at the start, wich didn't allow me to PA her stack of towers (she won the coin toss also).Tried this one today, works pretty good. I used -4 steals and +2 towers, and all upgraded of course. EMd Jezy with 5 siphons in turn 22.Code: [Select]592 592 592 592 592 592 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5up 5up 5up 5up 5up 5up 5us 5us 5us 5us 5us 5us
After that she had already done some damage, and her dagger was just having it's way with me. A lack of steal (thanks to the changed you suggested), killed me in the end.
A steal vs either a cloak, that dager or a permafrost could have saved me...
Post by: silux on May 11, 2011, 05:20:26 pm
Thorn shield kills all nynphes but death and aeburn
PA is a must
Mindgate?
Post by: ffun on May 11, 2011, 07:04:47 pm
Post by: Newbiecake on May 24, 2011, 10:20:58 pm
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on May 24, 2011, 11:11:20 pm
Why does Shak'kar's fail for me...?? -.-Worst case Nymphs:
:gravity. Game over unless you can BB :(
Post by: ddevans96 on May 27, 2011, 02:18:22 am
Bolt calculators do help here though.
Post by: stylish777 on June 17, 2011, 08:07:22 am
^This and the comment after that lead me to make this:use EA on her towers, and she is done for... (save one for your shield)This, along with other people's suggestions, gave me the inspiration for this deck (the blank cards are Sanctuaries):Code: [Select]4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 592 592 592 592 592 592 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f6 5l9 5lg 5lg 5lm 5lm 5ro
The idea is to EA Jezebel's QTs, then your own pillars. The Deflags are for Cloaks and Vampire Daggers, and Reflective Shield blocks Siphon Life. Sanctuary buys you enough time to deck her out. I tried it in the trainer, and went 8-2. Thoughts?
I tried with some stone skins, but with only 2 ya get 196 score, wich isnt worth it. And more stone skins would need hourglasses to get the PA's in time..
The destroyer speeds things up greatly and destroy the 2 vamp daggers for EM.
Post by: Xenocidius on June 30, 2011, 01:48:12 am
There's a lot of :earth usage, but it probably wouldn't matter considering Jezebel's slow damage. There's also a higher risk of Gravity Nymphs.
There's a lower risk of Gravity Nymphs, but a disadvantage of giving Jezebel faster damage (Turquoise Nymphs hurt).
Eliminates all the above risks, and adds on a lot of extra time (the AI will use Tears on stolen pendulums before Towers, and get 0 attack Auburn Nymphs). A really awesome thing is that the AI sometimes BBs your Voodoo Dolls for you.
So far I've gone 5-1 with the pendulum version (the loss being due to a Gravity Nymph that I forgot to BB), and haven't tested the others much.
Post by: funplay on July 12, 2011, 08:53:44 am
that many steals were needed, as i had to steal 2 cloaks to get those vamp daggers...
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on July 13, 2011, 07:47:26 pm
Post by: burne on July 18, 2011, 11:37:52 am
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Gravity pull one of your armagio to nullify damage and wait for your last turns to sling your heavy creatures powered by the auburn nymphs. it's an EM (well, hopefully).
Post by: Jappert on July 18, 2011, 02:55:39 pm
I use this deck vs Jezebel and it's pretty fun to see AI playing against itself.Sounds wonderfull in theory, don't forget to PA your pulvy and cata's though!Code: [Select]6rn 6rn 746 746 746 746 746 746 74h 74h 77f 77f 77i 77i 77i 77i 77i 77i 78q 78q 78q 78q 78q 78q 78q 78q 78q 78q 78q 78q
Same old strategy, PA fisrt one of its tower but never your own.
Gravity pull one of your armagio to nullify damage and wait for your last turns to sling your heavy creatures powered by the auburn nymphs. it's an EM (well, hopefully).
Post by: LAMA00619 on July 29, 2011, 07:40:07 am
Can someone tell how the hell this deck works???Code: [Select]592 592 592 592 592 592 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5up 5up 5up 5up 5up 5up 5us 5us 5us 5us 5us 5us
you get 0 healh, she cloaks everything so PA is useless.
and eventually will get a nymph out wich will kill you slowly but steadily???
HELP PLZ?
Post by: pikachufan2164 on July 29, 2011, 07:43:53 am
Can someone tell how the hell this deck works???Read the first post again.
you get 0 healh, she cloaks everything so PA is useless.
and eventually will get a nymph out wich will kill you slowly but steadily???
HELP PLZ?
PA their Quantum Towers to prevent non-Water Nymphs from being spawned, then PA your Obsidian Pillars.
When you can, Steal their Permafrost Shield and Vampire Dagger, then PA them.
Win by doing 200 damage with 6 Drain Life.
Post by: moonlighting on August 05, 2011, 08:23:54 am
I won because he decked out, and it was an EM :D
he likes to steal hourglass, and that accelerates his failure ;)
Post by: Calindu on August 05, 2011, 09:20:55 am
First steal the vamp dagger,it killed me easy.Can someone tell how the hell this deck works???Read the first post again.
you get 0 healh, she cloaks everything so PA is useless.
and eventually will get a nymph out wich will kill you slowly but steadily???
HELP PLZ?
PA their Quantum Towers to prevent non-Water Nymphs from being spawned, then PA your Obsidian Pillars.
When you can, Steal their Permafrost Shield and Vampire Dagger, then PA them.
Win by doing 200 damage with 6 Drain Life.
Post by: Avenger on August 06, 2011, 07:48:19 am
Post by: DarkArk on August 07, 2011, 08:21:01 am
its a good deck but you need to draw 4 of your 6 PA's and steals early or youll be stuck using your drain life before you can get enough :darkness, oh well not a total loss still got 600 elec and a :aether nymph off the oracle :))
Post by: icetimer on August 14, 2011, 11:12:11 am
This was my approach and it worked out fantastically. The hourglasses not only protect your healing cards, but after she steals them she will draw herself to death. Fireshield is very important to kill off any dangerous nymph, after you PA her towers the game allways gets easy. The win is by deckout (which doesnt take very long thanks to the stolen hourglasses). Wait till your not in trouble before giving free hourglasses and dont play your healing cards until you think she is low on steals.
At the end of the game I usually have PAed: Her: QTs, My:Qts,1hourglass,1Eternity,1shard,(+1 fireshield that got swapped out for Jade shield after dangerous nymphs had an "unfortunate end")
EM is almost certain
Post by: Jappert on August 30, 2011, 10:53:55 am
She was cloaked for the entire duration of the match... Damn UG's killed me cause I didnt draw a jadeshield in time! :(
This was my approach and it worked out fantastically. The hourglasses not only protect your healing cards, but after she steals them she will draw herself to death. Fireshield is very important to kill off any dangerous nymph, after you PA her towers the game allways gets easy. The win is by deckout (which doesnt take very long thanks to the stolen hourglasses). Wait till your not in trouble before giving free hourglasses and dont play your healing cards until you think she is low on steals.
At the end of the game I usually have PAed: Her: QTs, My:Qts,1hourglass,1Eternity,1shard,(+1 fireshield that got swapped out for Jade shield after dangerous nymphs had an "unfortunate end")
EM is almost certain
Post by: willng3 on September 02, 2011, 01:23:06 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on September 04, 2011, 05:49:52 pm
Post by: moonlighting on September 07, 2011, 07:20:36 am
the deck worked for me, however I can see what problem it could face: you have to wait until 3rd round to play your first PA, and jezebel can chain cloak from the beginning and you just sit there and see him spawning nymph.Can someone tell how the hell this deck works???Read the first post again.
you get 0 healh, she cloaks everything so PA is useless.
and eventually will get a nymph out wich will kill you slowly but steadily???
HELP PLZ?
PA their Quantum Towers to prevent non-Water Nymphs from being spawned, then PA your Obsidian Pillars.
When you can, Steal their Permafrost Shield and Vampire Dagger, then PA them.
Win by doing 200 damage with 6 Drain Life.
Post by: Xenocidius on September 07, 2011, 08:12:46 am
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on September 07, 2011, 01:00:28 pm
Post by: Xamuel on September 10, 2011, 04:46:58 am
I used one of my drain life's early on to kill a nymph he got out before I could PA his towers. Not a wise move-- but I was able to pull off a win anyway. The drain lifes are NOT for killing nymphs. They're for killing Jezebel. Save them up until you're on the verge of decking out (or of dying, but that shouldn't happen if you're lucky), then hit him with all of them, hopefully by then you'll have a ton of black quanta saved so the drain life will slaughter Jezzy (and heal you up to Elemental Mastery too).
One other thing: don't hesitate to steal his cloak in order to PA his towers faster.
Post by: ddevans96 on September 10, 2011, 04:59:08 am
I used the nonupped deck in Majofa's post. It worked, and I spun an upgraded nymph's tears :PSame for me today :)
One other thing: don't hesitate to steal his cloak in order to PA his towers faster.I'd like to elaborate on this point. The deck has 6 steals and only 2 things that absolutely need stealing. While in theory you only have full steals for draw redundancy, you can use your other four steals for cloaks to get at obsidian pillars she nabs early, and her second dagger.
Post by: Essence on September 11, 2011, 12:45:42 am
Post by: Xenocidius on September 11, 2011, 01:14:58 am
Post by: Jappert on September 11, 2011, 05:40:59 am
She was cloaked for the entire duration of the match... Damn UG's killed me cause I didnt draw a jadeshield in time! :(Love me long time Essence!
Btw yesterday was the first day the OP-deck worked out for me (all upped). Didn;t win anything but at least I won :D
Post by: Holokausti on September 13, 2011, 08:30:12 am
Got light nymph from oracle and then Jezebel rewarded me with Improved steal and Nymph's tears. Rather good day so far I'd say. :)
Post by: Xamuel on September 13, 2011, 03:54:51 pm
Good heavens. How many clues do you need to the fact that Jezebel is female?You mad bro? 8)
Post by: Essence on September 13, 2011, 07:18:27 pm
Post by: majofa on September 19, 2011, 07:25:04 am
Post by: Xenocidius on September 19, 2011, 07:35:42 am
Plus, yours can suffer from lack of damage and deckout.
Post by: ralouf on September 20, 2011, 09:25:01 am
Post by: ThePolaris on October 09, 2011, 06:03:55 pm
Only thing you must be careful about that do NOT let her steal any of your pillars or pendulums. Golden Nymphs have ungodly damage for this deck. Also, it requires fine tuning. Bounce the Photon and deck her out. The second Eternity is only there to a: bait her siphon out b: rewind her strong nymph after you are already bouncing the Photon. Novas are random quanta for the shards, so they won't drain your precious time or earth.
EA order: your Time Pillars/Towers and Pendulums (play only one of them if you can't EA it instantly, I suggest playing the Pendulum first), her Quantum Towers, Shards, Eternity, Procrast. Water Towers are okay they deal only 1 damage.
Any ideas?
Post by: furballdn on October 09, 2011, 07:17:50 pm
Good heavens. How many clues do you need to the fact that Jezebel is female?Jezebel was the biblical wife of Ahab, king of Israel.
Post by: UTAlan on October 10, 2011, 01:14:18 pm
Protect Artifact the Quantum Towers first then your Pillars. Steal and PA his Vampire Dagger and Permafrost Shields.This deck is no longer effective as of 1.29 (quanta cap). I just got decked out. :(
Post by: furballdn on October 12, 2011, 12:13:40 am
Only problem is, you might get decked out, but with the twin universes you should have enough damage to kill jezebel.
Post by: BugSlayer on October 12, 2011, 02:05:12 am
The biggest risk is if she steals your tower and gets an auburn nymph (in which case she'll BB your dragons and you'll never get any damage in.)
Post by: Moraku on October 20, 2011, 12:10:22 pm
My version of Bugslayer's unupgraded deck. (Replace any upgraded cards you have, except for Phoenixes)
Enchant Artifact prioritized on Quantum Towers, then Burning Pillars, then Water Towers. Deflagrate a Cloak if you need to enchant the QTs!
Phoenixes can survive multiple Siphons. (It also keeps her from targeting YOU with Siphons!)
Deflagrations are prioritized for Vampire Daggers. Use one on her shield if you think you can spare one.
Rage Potion on any surviving Nymphs.
If you're looking for EMs, you can pop in a couple of SoGs, but make sure you Enchant them or they'll be stolen and it may cause you to deck out!
Post by: Acsabi44 on October 24, 2011, 09:54:28 am
THX for this deck. I absolutely decimated her (she aflatoxined my pet so I killed her with cells) and won 3 upped cards.use EA on her towers, and she is done for... (save one for your shield)This, along with other people's suggestions, gave me the inspiration for this deck (the blank cards are Sanctuaries):Code: [Select]4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 592 592 592 592 592 592 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f6 5l9 5lg 5lg 5lm 5lm 5ro
The idea is to EA Jezebel's QTs, then your own pillars. The Deflags are for Cloaks and Vampire Daggers, and Reflective Shield blocks Siphon Life. Sanctuary buys you enough time to deck her out. I tried it in the trainer, and went 8-2. Thoughts?
Post by: Higurashi on October 25, 2011, 02:09:56 pm
So, I go with a speedbow for durable offence. While it worked this time, I think I'll get some mass-CC next time to actually make it more of a counter than just a rush. Two upped Pandemoniums and a Plague or two should do it.
Post by: Brontos on October 25, 2011, 03:00:22 pm
Post by: Torph on October 26, 2011, 03:57:05 pm
I have terrible luck with Shaka'ars revenge.That did work for me
My version of Bugslayer's unupgraded deck. (Replace any upgraded cards you have, except for Phoenixes)
Enchant Artifact prioritized on Quantum Towers, then Burning Pillars, then Water Towers. Deflagrate a Cloak if you need to enchant the QTs!
Phoenixes can survive multiple Siphons. (It also keeps her from targeting YOU with Siphons!)
Deflagrations are prioritized for Vampire Daggers. Use one on her shield if you think you can spare one.
Rage Potion on any surviving Nymphs.
If you're looking for EMs, you can pop in a couple of SoGs, but make sure you Enchant them or they'll be stolen and it may cause you to deck out!
Although I almost decked out
Maybe some extra pillars?
Post by: ddevans96 on November 01, 2011, 09:35:02 pm
Post by: LAMA00619 on November 02, 2011, 01:57:38 pm
note:
I DO NOT claim credit
Post by: Xamuel on November 02, 2011, 11:36:02 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on November 14, 2011, 11:20:31 pm
Crushed her handily, and won two cards with it :)Same PA/Phoenix deck I used last time.
Post by: furballdn on November 15, 2011, 03:59:40 am
The decks posted in the OP desperately need some brief explanation of what strategy is supposed to be used. At a bare minimum, at what health should the dolls be PU'd? It's definitely an interesting and unique strategy, that's for sure.When you're sure the dolls won't be killed the next turn. It is very frustrating to calculate carefully that your doll will survive and then suddenly nymphs tears pops out some Turquoise nymphs. So maybe one or two turns before it dies.
Post by: Bhlewos on November 16, 2011, 09:01:47 am
Post by: dragonsdemesne on December 14, 2011, 12:53:59 am
Play tips:
-PA jezebel's quantum towers ASAP
-do not PA anything else; you have 6 just to make sure you draw one early. Let her use her steals and tears so her hand doesn't clog up
Gemfinders were there just as siphon bait. One unanticipated thing that happened in my favour was that jezebel stole and then turned my pillars unto auburn nymphs, and then kept delaying my gemfinders, so that they were able to absorb multiple siphon lifes each, not just one. With all the healing, you can just ignore the dagger and water nymphs. If jezebel steals your sancs, it doesn't matter; they're just there as steal bait and to keep you alive against an early dagger, and in case she manages a gravity nymph. You could probably trim the deck a little, but don't do it too much; you win by deckout, and near the end of the game, jezebel's hand will still clog up with extra shields, daggers, etc. I had 13 cards left when I won on my first attempt.
The auburn nymph thing made me think of an extremely funny counterdeck I might try next time. The idea is to play an earth/gravity duo. Use the PAs to block her own QTs, then play trebuchets and PA those. Put out whatever n00b creature suits your fancy, let jezebel steal your towers and make them into auburn nymphs, which will then BB your creatures. This will turn them into uber1337 trebuchet fodder. It's completely ridiculous, but it would be incredibly funny.
Post by: automeris on December 31, 2011, 06:41:55 pm
I've been trying to design 500hp EM decks that work for FGs when possible, ...I like to do the same thing; 320 gold is nice. I modified a deckout deck I use against Lionheart, and it worked perfectly first time out, and I see no reason not to expect it to give a 500hp EM almost every time.
I still have to see what happens if she gets some creatures before you can PA her Quantum Towers. And I don't know how well the deck would work without the ability to play a PA first turn, if your Stone Towers were unupped. I don't think the rest of the upped cards are crucial, but the shields and the PAs would be next.
First PA is for her Quantum Towers. Second is for your shards. Third is for your Time Factory. Don't play a Time Factory without one, and make sure all three Time Factories are either upped or unupped. Fourth is for Eternity. Then you can PA your Stone Towers. Don't worry about those, you can get by if she steals them. I didn't get a PA for those for a long time, she stole 8 of them, and it was no problem getting to 500 life even though I drew 4 Stone Skins early and had to play the first two with only 60 or so mana. The last heal is for your EM, so pay attention to her card count--if she has fewer than seven cards in hand she could deck out when she has one left.
With the Life mark if things go pear shaped and she gets some nymphs, you might still be okay healing 30 a turn by the end, and she can't hit you with the Siphon LIfe thanks to your shield. Other cards I considered and might add if it looks necessary are more Heals, Nova (unupped) and Lightning Storm (upped, cancels Cloak), but if she doesn't get a first turn cloak, you want to maximize your chance at drawing a PA in your opening hand, which makes the game a cakewalk, so keepind the deck small was a priority.
Post by: Xenocidius on January 05, 2012, 07:28:38 am
Virtually immune to her CC, this deck fills her board with useless 1-attack Gravity Nymphs, while rushing her quickly. Let her steal an excess Titan if she has a dagger out. An Earth Nymph can be problematic, but it may be more reliable than Shak'ars.
Towers can be used instead, but pendulums don't give her as much :gravity quanta to power Gravity Nymphs.
Post by: Xenocidius on January 06, 2012, 10:50:58 am
Gemfinders are to draw away Siphon Lifes. She'll use Basilisk Blood on them, allowing them to take quite a lot of Siphon Lifes. Protecting her Quantum Tower stack should be the first thing you do, followed by protecting a Diamond Shield. Get a protected Pulverizer out to smash Cloaks, Permafrost Shields and Vampire Dagger (this helps clear her hand as well). Whatever you do, DO NOT PROTECT YOUR TOWERS. You need her to Steal them to free up her hand. Black Hole is for final healing to get the EM.
Post by: kev on January 17, 2012, 03:01:43 pm
Easy 500 HP EM deck:Nice work, Xeno. First game I finished with 480hp because I didn't find my BH; second game I finished with 500hp. +rep
Post by: puri1 on January 17, 2012, 04:13:24 pm
Easy 500 HP EM deck:Agreed, I used it mostly unupped and lost due to because of incorrect judging of her damage, but I could see it would have been an easy victory had I been better at adding damage through her Cloak. Possible good enough to be added to the OP.
Post by: chum3 on January 18, 2012, 11:31:04 am
Easy 500 HP EM deck:Woo 500 HP EM win by deckout! Worked like a charm for me today. Can't say Jezebel used her Siphon Lives on my Gemfinders (instead she kept on petrifying them and saving the Siphons for my HP bar), but didn't matter. Shouldn't really be an issue as long as you use Granite/Stone Skin at appropriate times (i.e., whenever you have 75 earth quanta/whenever you feel in danger of getting Siphoned to death). Fortunately she only has 6 Siphons.
Post by: Fireleaf on January 23, 2012, 09:34:02 pm
Post by: KiLLjoY on January 27, 2012, 07:20:53 pm
I did not test it, but i think if you have the cards/electrum to upgrade at least supernova+entropy pends it will be much more stable.
Post by: mozzery on February 10, 2012, 05:35:15 pm
I do not suggest using this deck as is, (a big reason I won was because oracle gave me an azure dragon as pet), but the general strategy of protecting your opponents QT, then your own was VERY effective, as she only had 2 air nymphs out for the entire game, and got her vamp dagger late and permafrost REALLY late. I'd say making a deck to protect her QT and then make sure she can't steal anything by protecting your towers and then not playing anything that can be stolen is quite effective. The parallel universes were basically useless, as the only reason I brought that was in case he got out an aether nymph on me via steal, but looking back on it I would've died anyways if he did, and copying it wouldn't have made a difference. Those slots easily could've been used better, (heck, more phase dragons, even changing them to aether or earth pillars would've been better).
I guess the main point of this post is that if you have an unupgraded deck and only 1 rare, jezebel is still beatable if you can shut down the nymphs early and catch some breaks, she cloaked the turn after I got the QT protected for instance , but water nymphs just aren't threatening at all and I was fine with that to a degree.
Post by: furballdn on February 11, 2012, 09:22:16 pm
Post by: Chodos on February 14, 2012, 04:56:33 am
OK, not my deck! I just upped the rest from an earlier post. This deck has worked for me every time with an EM. I feel that Intosis is too risky for a certain win. This deck has the right balance for getting a great start and can even win with a poor start. I think this could be the top deck for Jezebel and the only thing I might add into it is a rewind to avoid deck on a last card Eternity draw.
Comments?
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on February 14, 2012, 08:39:08 pm
I just beat Jezebel with this.Did not have to worry even after Earth Nymph appeared. 8 turn win ftw
Virtually immune to her CC, this deck fills her board with useless 1-attack Gravity Nymphs, while rushing her quickly. Let her steal an excess Titan if she has a dagger out. An Earth Nymph can be problematic, but it may be more reliable than Shak'ars.
Towers can be used instead, but pendulums don't give her as much :gravity quanta to power Gravity Nymphs.
Post by: Higurashi on March 10, 2012, 02:40:28 pm
No :earth for a couple turns, Jez chained Cloaks. No chance.
OK, not my deck! I just upped the rest from an earlier post. This deck has worked for me every time with an EM. I feel that Intosis is too risky for a certain win. This deck has the right balance for getting a great start and can even win with a poor start. I think this could be the top deck for Jezebel and the only thing I might add into it is a rewind to avoid deck on a last card Eternity draw.
Comments?
A good sign people with horrible luck need to play either of the outdeckers that have Earth pillars/towers. They're simply more reliable.
Post by: Alchemist on March 11, 2012, 10:47:23 pm
I don't really have all those cards ::)
I've made this deck in trainer, and it's made especially for Jezebel. I have allways founded her as one of hardest FG-s (besides Rainbow and DM). Haven't tested it on other gods-it was meant to be anti-Jezebel. I tested it, and the deck won 4 out of 5 games.
Strategy: Enchant Jezebel's quantum pillars ASAP. Since she spends most time under cloak, instead of stealing/destroying her cloaks - rather cast plague/firestorm to remove invisibility, and than cast PA on pillars. Other PA-s will also come in use, since Jezebel has 8 steals, and I choosed thorn carapace since it has no damage reduction - it means it will poison even units with attack value of 1, as for instance.... gravity nymphs ;). Upgraided carapace will not kill those units. That's in case if she gets aether nymphs - plague wont work than. Butterflys are here for perma-shield and daggers. Only one steam machine should be "butterflied", since there are not many permanents in Jezebel's deck. On the other hand, precognitions are there for 2 reasons. 1st is obvious - deffinition of precognition :). But when you are safe - don't use it - cause you might deck out, and with damages like those from steams, turn or 2 really makes huge difference. Max damage from siphon life is 64 = 16 (max siphon dmg) x 4 (number of siphons in her deck). So 2 black holes = 72 healing should do.
There could be some changes made - adding another PA, lightning storm instead of 1 plague, pandemonium, etc.
Some cards could be unupgraded (not tested). Ofc, not supernovas or plagues. You might combine something out with different mass effect magics like thunderstorms, pandemoniums, plagues and firestorms, taking in consideration their quanta consumption. Precognitions, PAs can also be unupped, but upped decks allways work better. Steam machines obviously don't have to be upgraded, since they are quinted. Anyway, this is 1st version, but I think it's preety ok anti-jezebel deck.
Anyway, I would appriciate it if you guys would test this deck, rate it, add a coment or few changes.
Post by: Chodos on March 13, 2012, 03:30:36 am
OK, I just realized that with 15 QT's, you don't need a mark of time. With a mark of earth, this makes the deck much more reliable with the only problem of there only being one Jade shield. This could be a problem. I am going to try to modify with 2 Jade shields and one less fire shield.
OK, not my deck! I just upped the rest from an earlier post. This deck has worked for me every time with an EM. I feel that Intosis is too risky for a certain win. This deck has the right balance for getting a great start and can even win with a poor start. I think this could be the top deck for Jezebel and the only thing I might add into it is a rewind to avoid deck on a last card Eternity draw.
Comments?
Post by: ThePolaris on March 13, 2012, 09:16:06 am
Just defeated her easily with this deck. You can PA her QT in the first turn if you win the toss. From the SN-s you have quanta for all your PA, but you only need 5, don't PA her Water Tower, the Fire Shield helps clearing her hand by killing a 1 damage water nymph and she summons a new one. You only need 2 SoG-s againts her Dagger, so she may steal the 4 others, it helps clearing her hand also. 4 Pendulums give you enough quanta for the repeated reverse time, and those nymphs have only 1 hp, so it's hand clearing aswell.
PA order: QT, Fire Shield, Pendulum (protect if she has stolen 2 already!), SoG (you need 2, 3 gives you usually an EM), Eternity (you won't need this early on). The flying Eternity baits out some Siphons, and also protects you from decking out if Eternity is your last card. BH is awesome heal.
Post by: Rutarete on March 13, 2012, 11:44:55 pm
-pend + pillar
Needs gravity Shield
Post by: Kakerlake on March 22, 2012, 07:31:02 am
Easy 500 HP EM deck:Even though Jezzy didn't have a first turn Quantum Tower and cloaked for a while, it was an easy 500 HP EM!
Gemfinders are to draw away Siphon Lifes. She'll use Basilisk Blood on them, allowing them to take quite a lot of Siphon Lifes. Protecting her Quantum Tower stack should be the first thing you do, followed by protecting a Diamond Shield. Get a protected Pulverizer out to smash Cloaks, Permafrost Shields and Vampire Dagger (this helps clear her hand as well). Whatever you do, DO NOT PROTECT YOUR TOWERS. You need her to Steal them to free up her hand. Black Hole is for final healing to get the EM.
Thanks.
Post by: UnderneathTheLens on April 24, 2012, 09:08:52 pm
I just beat Jezebel with this.Did not have to worry even after Earth Nymph appeared. 8 turn win ftw
Virtually immune to her CC, this deck fills her board with useless 1-attack Gravity Nymphs, while rushing her quickly. Let her steal an excess Titan if she has a dagger out. An Earth Nymph can be problematic, but it may be more reliable than Shak'ars.
Towers can be used instead, but pendulums don't give her as much :gravity quanta to power Gravity Nymphs.
Outrushed. I'm probably just unlucky.
Post by: bjessee on April 29, 2012, 07:49:14 am
I also noticed that Jezebel did not use Siphon Life on Gemfinders she had petrified, but she did blast a couple before she petrified them. And, if I am not mistaken, you should be able to get an EM without the Black Hole by saving your sixth Granite Skin until the last turn and playing any other card after it (assuming it puts you at 500 HP or higher).
My favorite part was when I realized I could count how many Steals she had played based on the size of her Earth Nymph army.
Post by: ARTHANASIOS on May 11, 2012, 08:46:01 am
As for why Jezebel is female, here's the article of Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jezebel
Post by: mesaprotector on May 15, 2012, 12:53:19 am
Post by: UnderneathTheLens on May 15, 2012, 01:29:23 am
All right, with all the nymph buffs, now I'm curious how beatable Jezzie is. Other than Instosis, I can't see any deck beating it consistently.
I'm pretty sure Instosis can't beat it consistently. (b/c of steals and blackholes and possibly UGs too).
Post by: furballdn on May 15, 2012, 01:34:52 am
Post by: ARTHANASIOS on May 15, 2012, 10:01:10 am
Post by: mesaprotector on May 15, 2012, 03:11:34 pm
Post by: Moraku on May 29, 2012, 12:36:45 pm
Instosis and Shakar's Revenge are both unreliable.
So I based my new deck on trying to prevent any nymphs in the first place.
Warning: This is a slow outdecker and highly dependent on your initial draw.
1. Try not to play any Stone Tower on your first turn unless you have 2 or more PAs. Otherwise, try to survive with only Novas on your first turn.
2. Try not to play *ANYTHING* unless you can PA it.
3. PA her QTs first. If you can't do this before Cloak appears, your chances of winning drop greatly.
4. Warning: Do *NOT* PA her Water Towers. She will only make one Water Nymph and you need ALL of your PAs to win with this deck.
5. PA your Stone Towers next to prevent her from dealing additional damage per turn.
6. PA your Shards next. However, you can afford to play Shards without PA if you absolutely need to. Preferably, you want to keep at least 3 Shards PA'd to keep yourself alive.
7. PA your Shield if you need to.
8. PA your Time Towers and Eternity in whichever order deemed appropriate. Obviously, don't wait until your last turn to play your Eternity. (You can add a Rewind to the deck if you're afraid of a last-draw Eternity.)
Post by: majofa on May 29, 2012, 03:38:02 pm
Post by: Moraku on May 30, 2012, 12:32:31 am
Post by: mesaprotector on May 30, 2012, 12:56:32 am
4-2 with this deck so far. One loss was a 5 turn speed rush on Jezzie's part, the other was drawing Eternity on the last turn.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 01, 2012, 04:08:54 pm
EDIT: Turns out I just had a bit of good luck. The nymph buffs make Jezzie very hard with the old fire/earth duos.
Post by: Moraku on June 02, 2012, 01:11:38 am
You can also bait Jezebel to steal your Arsenic to replace her Vampire Dagger removing her source of healing.
Post by: Mort on June 08, 2012, 07:48:40 pm
Main reason: I didn't draw a single voodoo doll (15 cards left).
Secondary reason was the cloaks (obviously).
Post by: Higurashi on June 08, 2012, 07:54:48 pm
Voodoo decks are fickle by nature, but at least the numerous Nymph buffs ensure she won't be low on damage anymore. The real threat of a Gravity Nymph remains.
Post by: Moraku on June 22, 2012, 02:05:26 am
Adding the additional Rewind version of this deck for easy copy/paste.
Post by: Boingo on June 30, 2012, 04:06:10 pm
Works perfectly as described for EM--got PA on her QT first turn. Only damage she did was from Vampire Dagger and 1 Nymph Queen, with the occasional siphon for kicks.
Adding the additional Rewind version of this deck for easy copy/paste.
Just be prepared for a long wait--51 turns, 787 seconds for me.
P.S. I'm not sure the deck even needs the 5 Stone Towers--30 turns provide 30 :earth from the mark alone (not to mention the novas) which is more than enough for 6 EAs + Diamond shield. One might consider trading out a couple for SS just for a little extra coin.
Post by: Moraku on July 02, 2012, 03:04:42 pm
Works perfectly as described for EM--got PA on her QT first turn. Only damage she did was from Vampire Dagger and 1 Nymph Queen, with the occasional siphon for kicks.Although you can, I wouldn't recommend it. The Stone Towers' sole purpose was to help you get a first-turn PA. Relying on the mark for a second-turn PA tends to turn out badly when she chains Cloaks. More Stone Towers helps up the probability of drawing them on mulligan as opposed to the Time towers.
Just be prepared for a long wait--51 turns, 787 seconds for me.
P.S. I'm not sure the deck even needs the 5 Stone Towers--30 turns provide 30 :earth from the mark alone (not to mention the novas) which is more than enough for 6 EAs + Diamond shield. One might consider trading out a couple for SS just for a little extra coin.
Post by: ddevans96 on July 08, 2012, 09:34:07 pm
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Memo to self: Use Moraku's deck next time.
Post by: kimham8a on July 09, 2012, 12:17:37 am
Post by: majofa on July 09, 2012, 12:46:33 am
I find Jezebel easy enough to EM, but is there any 500 hp EM deck possible for her? Based on the fact that the deck here is already a deckout deck that contains Earth, it's kind of close already, but I can't think of one.Does no one look that the OPs anymore? :(
Post by: kimham8a on July 09, 2012, 01:30:29 am
Post by: majofa on July 09, 2012, 03:40:30 am
Post by: eaglgenes101 on August 21, 2012, 06:22:58 pm
Post by: furballdn on September 09, 2012, 05:15:34 pm
Post by: Ravensvoice on September 24, 2012, 07:30:52 am
(remember you will be rewinding the bugger 30 times or so, even any other free creature card is better, since you wont risk him being on the table subject to drain life at any time anyways)
with a gemfinder, 4 of my 5 pendulae in the last 8 cards, and being forced to use one granite skin earlier (at around 10-15 earth quants ) because my eternity just would not come (2nd last card) I still managed 480 health EM.
Post by: Moraku on October 01, 2012, 04:00:18 pm
using a gnome gemfinder instead of a gnome rider in the first deck saves a lot of earth quanta, giving you a far larger max health at the end in case of being unlucky in when you get most of your pendula. Since there is no advantage to NOT using a gemfinder and its only one card upgrade in a deck that goes for all upgraded cards except for the ones where the unupgraded card is better, using a gemfinder seems the most logical thing to put in there too.
(remember you will be rewinding the bugger 30 times or so, even any other free creature card is better, since you wont risk him being on the table subject to drain life at any time anyways)
with a gemfinder, 4 of my 5 pendulae in the last 8 cards, and being forced to use one granite skin earlier (at around 10-15 earth quants ) because my eternity just would not come (2nd last card) I still managed 480 health EM.
But there IS an disadvantage to using a Gemfinder. It can mess up your "Mulligan" - where if you don't draw any zero-cost cards (pillars, photons, etc.) on your initial draw Elements will automatically reshuffle your deck and draw your cards again. This only happens once per game. (If your second draw doesn't pull any zero-cost cards, it remains that way.)
Post by: Higurashi on November 16, 2012, 08:07:25 am
Protect Artifact Jezebel's Quantum Towers and don't let your pendulums get stolen.So this has failed twice for me now, both times for the same reason. SoG's+Etern doesn't heal and stop enough damage to survive 3-4 Nymph Queens and a Vamp Dagger+Drains (though Drains aren't even needed). First time I drew Diamond Shield but didn't have enough :earth. Second time I didn't draw it. SS' only prolonged the suffering by one turn since you don't have time to build up enough :earth. Lots of useless :time though.
Basically it seems I need too many PA's/EA's too quickly because the defence of this deck is low. I can't draw all the ones I need in time to stop her offence. Cloak is a problem.
Post by: Moraku on November 17, 2012, 04:22:24 pm
Wait... 3-4 Nymph Queens? Could it be that you were actually rewinding them? The AI never makes more than one.Protect Artifact Jezebel's Quantum Towers and don't let your pendulums get stolen.So this has failed twice for me now, both times for the same reason. SoG's+Etern doesn't heal and stop enough damage to survive 3-4 Nymph Queens and a Vamp Dagger+Drains (though Drains aren't even needed). First time I drew Diamond Shield but didn't have enough :earth. Second time I didn't draw it. SS' only prolonged the suffering by one turn since you don't have time to build up enough :earth. Lots of useless :time though.
Basically it seems I need too many PA's/EA's too quickly because the defence of this deck is low. I can't draw all the ones I need in time to stop her offence. Cloak is a problem.
Post by: Higurashi on November 18, 2012, 06:33:44 am
Yes, I was rewinding them to slow her quanta gain and thus not get overrun as fast by more created Nymphs.
Post by: Moraku on November 19, 2012, 03:43:29 pm
How many the AI makes depends on how many towers it gets and subsequently how much quanta it has. 3 is normal in a slow game.
Yes, I was rewinding them to slow her quanta gain and thus not get overrun as fast by more created Nymphs.
No, you should not rewind any of her Nymph Queens. I played this deck many times over. Jezebel NEVER creates a second Nymph Queen as long as she already has one out on the field. Trust me on this. Once you rewind her Nymph Queen, she'll start making a new one to replace the old one. She'll then play the rewinded Nymph Queen normally. So long as you don't rewind the Nymph Queen, you'll have more than enough healing to sustain the 6 damage from the single Nymph Queen and the 6 damage from Vampire Dagger.
The only way you should lose with this deck is if you don't manage to PA her QTs early.
Post by: Higurashi on November 19, 2012, 04:08:37 pm
Post by: sorfimmer on November 21, 2012, 02:55:29 am
Now that Earth Nymphs deal 5 damage each, the 500 HP deck not a free win anymore.I'd say this is the best and cheapest version of the deck. I EMed even without the deck completely upped (the stone towers and half the protect artifacts were unnupped).
Instosis and Shakar's Revenge are both unreliable.
So I based my new deck on trying to prevent any nymphs in the first place.
Warning: This is a slow outdecker and highly dependent on your initial draw.
1. Try not to play any Stone Tower on your first turn unless you have 2 or more PAs. Otherwise, try to survive with only Novas on your first turn.
2. Try not to play *ANYTHING* unless you can PA it.
3. PA her QTs first. If you can't do this before Cloak appears, your chances of winning drop greatly.
4. Warning: Do *NOT* PA her Water Towers. She will only make one Water Nymph and you need ALL of your PAs to win with this deck.
5. PA your Stone Towers next to prevent her from dealing additional damage per turn.
6. PA your Shards next. However, you can afford to play Shards without PA if you absolutely need to. Preferably, you want to keep at least 3 Shards PA'd to keep yourself alive.
7. PA your Shield if you need to.
8. PA your Time Towers and Eternity in whichever order deemed appropriate. Obviously, don't wait until your last turn to play your Eternity. (You can add a Rewind to the deck if you're afraid of a last-draw Eternity.)
Post by: Moraku on November 21, 2012, 05:38:42 pm
Goes beyond trust for you. The AI even has some randomness programmed into it. She already had two by the time I had to start slowing her down. That or a death with no hope of a shield :p
That would be strange because if there were randomness in this, you'd think she would have made a second Nymph Queen during my slow 50-turn stalls... But I'll take your word for it. However, I have already tested Rewinding Nymph Queen against Jezebel. It, in no way, would help you. Jezebel would 100% create a new Nymph Queen guaranteed. It can only work against you. Also, rewinding is a poor means of decking out Jezebel anyway (it's slow enough as it is)...
Also, if it's REALLY causing you personal grief. you can just opt to PA her water towers instead and simply don't drop any stone towers (I suppose you could then replace all stone towers with anything else like Heal or Shards of Divinity to help you tank more damage).
Post by: Higurashi on November 21, 2012, 06:33:47 pm
Dunno where you get personal grief from. If I had the option to PA all her towers I... would. That should be very obvious when the final point of my post was that I can't draw enough PA's fast enough. Need 'em for SoG's and QT's at the very least, and pretty fast. Dunno why you'd wanna skip Stone Towers. I'd just die even quicker and not afford more PA's. Something like Snovas would let her play early Cloaks too.
I'm prolly gonna go experimental next time with Novas, PA's, PC, Etern and a TON of drawing power. Precogs and SoBe's will be nice.
Post by: bjessee on November 23, 2012, 11:33:44 am
It is definitely not a 500 HP EM deck as you always seem to need to spend at least half of the SSes to stay alive, but I did manage to get a 300+ EM on her this morning. The deck did stabilize, but not on its own. A fortuitous Iridium Warden pet gets all the credit for keeping me alive and preventing enough damage to get me back to full HP on the next to last turn. Had she shown a little patience and waited to do more than 2 damage with the one Drain Life she spent on him, Jezebel would have rolled over me.
Higs mentioned card draw for her idea, so I played around with Shakar's and SoBs. I went a little further than eaglgenes101 and went with a full 6. I have no idea if it is more reliable, but it certainly is a lot of fun.
Post by: Anthraxx on November 29, 2012, 08:41:33 am
Post by: kimham8a on November 30, 2012, 12:16:32 am
Just lost with the PA / Eternity deck after 1st turn PA on her QTs... For a long time I couldn't figure out how the hell does she produce so many auburn nymphs... Was almost ready to report a bug, and then it hit me - I left my Stone Towers unprotected and got killed 2 turns before her deck-out. Go me! :(I don't understand. Jezebel tearing your towers will give YOU a nymph, not her...
Post by: ddevans96 on November 30, 2012, 12:18:12 am
Post by: Junkers on December 21, 2012, 09:16:36 am
Post by: deuce22 on December 24, 2012, 01:24:05 am
Post by: ddevans96 on January 03, 2013, 07:24:12 pm
Just EM'd Jezebel with this unupped modified immo golem...
Used this with the Unstopabble, a PA, both Explosions, and a Destroyer upgraded. Surprisingly, it worked, though I didn't get an EM from it.
Post by: dragonsdemesne on January 06, 2013, 07:44:09 am
PA her quantum towers, water towers, and your gravity towers. Do that, and a large portion of her deck becomes dead cards. (steals, NTs) Otyughs eat any nymphs that get through, your ambers drain loads of quanta for EMs (use black holes or SoF if you don't have them) and chargers do the dirty work. It isn't the fastest deck, but it can lock her down pretty hard. Use the heavy armours to either fatten your otyughs to eat anything that gets through or to protect things against the siphon lifes that will be coming your way.
edit: Don't use a titan in place of a charger, or it'll just get stolen. I suppose you could PA it, but I purposely excluded titan so that the steals would be dead cards once you PA your own towers.
Post by: mypetmachine on January 17, 2013, 08:04:15 am
IMHO, the shard nerf actually allows this deck to work even better. Life mark is plenty to power the SoGs and gives them extra healing power. This, in turn, lets us ditch the Novas and add in some more Stone Towers. Threw in a few Granite Skins for extra EM goodness.
Post by: Pwnator on January 30, 2013, 12:54:40 pm
While 3 SoGs would provide just as much healing as 5 SoGs in the original deck, I fear that it might be a bit too late to draw all 3 to get EM in time, so I guess 4 SoGs should do.
Post by: ajh158 on February 01, 2013, 01:25:50 am
So far I've gone 5-1 with the pendulum version (the loss being due to a Gravity Nymph that I forgot to BB), and haven't tested the others much.
I just lost with this deck; maybe I'm playing it wrong. I believe I lost because I didn't draw any gravity pulls. You need a gravity pull to win, right? Shouldn't it run more than 3?
Post by: ddevans96 on February 01, 2013, 01:56:31 am
The immo golem with PAs is a much better counter for not having upped cards.
Post by: Zso_Zso on February 05, 2013, 12:37:14 am
Post by: kev on February 15, 2013, 03:28:10 pm
Play tips:
- PA her QTs ASAP so she doesn't get an Entropy Nymph.
- If she gets an Entropy Nymph, Overdrive it.
- Armagio ability should only be used as a last resort. He's there to Overdrive.
- Never play a shield unless you can PA it immediately.
- BH will mostly be used like the card Heal rather than as true quanta disruption.
Post by: Cielo on March 02, 2013, 08:49:18 am
So far I've gone 5-1 with the pendulum version (the loss being due to a Gravity Nymph that I forgot to BB), and haven't tested the others much.
I just lost with this deck; maybe I'm playing it wrong. I believe I lost because I didn't draw any gravity pulls. You need a gravity pull to win, right? Shouldn't it run more than 3?
I lost several times because I didn't draw any voodoo dolls.
Three is standard for most voodoo/BB/gravity pull decks. In theory you'll draw one before Jezebel's damage can kill you, but it's actually not very effective because Jezebel's damage has greatly increased with nymph buffs, and Gravity and Air nymphs (1/6 chance per Quantum Pillar) completely screw you over.
The immo golem with PAs is a much better counter for not having upped cards.
Yes, earth nymph's ATK rises from 0 to 5.
OK I'll try immo golem next time.
Post by: Marvaddin on March 21, 2013, 04:23:58 pm
PAs are for both of her tower piles first. PA her QTs, then PA the water towers. A 3rd PA is needed to play SoP (dont play the shard without a PA on it).
Grow creatures. She will probably waste some Syphons. Steals and Tears will clog her hand, so maybe she wont draw the Dagger, the single thing you need to worry about (it can make your HP low enough for a Syphon kill). Permafrost is usually bad, but the Chimera is there to help. No need to go for 1HKO, you can go for 2HKO without problems, just have like 1/3 beyond half of her bar (in case she plays Syphon on the Chimera to get some HP, she wont kill the Chimera).
Grow creatures. She will probably waste some Syphons. Steals and Tears will clog her hand, so maybe she wont draw the Dagger, the single thing you need to worry about (it can make your HP low enough for a Syphon kill). Permafrost is usually bad, but the Chimera is there to help. No need to go for 1HKO, you can go for 2HKO without problems, just have like 1/3 beyond half of her bar (in case she plays Syphon on the Chimera to get some HP, she wont kill the Chimera).
Post by: Narukta on March 22, 2013, 01:20:01 pm
Just got 2 wins in the trainer, and an EM (and 2 improved Tears) in the real account using this one:PAs are for both of her tower piles first. PA her QTs, then PA the water towers. A 3rd PA is needed to play SoP (dont play the shard without a PA on it).
Grow creatures. She will probably waste some Syphons. Steals and Tears will clog her hand, so maybe she wont draw the Dagger, the single thing you need to worry about (it can make your HP low enough for a Syphon kill). Permafrost is usually bad, but the Chimera is there to help. No need to go for 1HKO, you can go for 2HKO without problems, just have like 1/3 beyond half of her bar (in case she plays Syphon on the Chimera to get some HP, she wont kill the Chimera).
If you have problems with Syphons, maybe adding a mirror shield(powered by nova and cremation) can help?
Post by: archertoon2 on March 26, 2013, 08:16:16 am
I lost with this deck to Jezebel twice, I don't know how to handle with the steal and I have not got even a single nova to use.(all in my hand was 3 voodoo and 5 PU)
The second time, it's almost the same that my pillar got stolen, but I got 2 voodoo, 4 PU and 2 gravity pull in my hand instead.
Is this deck bad, or just that I have a very bad draw for 2 times in a row?
Ok, I'm just having very bad luck, I've tried this deck in trainer and I won 2 Nymph Tear.
Post by: trashduke on April 08, 2013, 12:06:13 pm
Post by: procproc on April 09, 2013, 07:36:06 am
Post by: kev on April 10, 2013, 03:15:25 pm
Kev, I don't understand how that list works for you. I'm 0-9 with it in the trainer. PAing her towers doesn't work because she invariably cloaks before you have the earth quanta to cast PA (since you have to pass the turn to get it, and she always seems to be able to cloak on turn 1.) Once she starts producing nymphs, there are a number of them that basically spell doom for you: you mentioned entropy, but gravity nymphs are bad news, and fire nymphs let her army get in under your shield.Well I just went 2-3 in trainer, bringing my total to 7-3 with 3 EMs. Two losses were by deckout where I established a defense but my damage got out too late. The deck might work better with 6 PAs and maybe another Gravy tower for 33 cards total.
She really shouldn't Cloak on turn two all that often. I think AI might even prioritize stealing my Gravy tower over Cloaking. Even if she does Cloak on turn two, you'll have a crack at PAing before her if you won the toss. 0-9 is either tremendously unlucky or I didn't do a good enough job explaining the strategy. I usually PA her QTs first, then my Gravy towers, then my shield.
It's not a perfect deck but it's a fair option. Jezzy be hard.
Post by: Daenyathos on April 16, 2013, 12:10:48 pm
Just EM'd Jezebel with this unupped modified immo golem...
I modified this deck a bit, got lucky and EMed Jez with htis:
The Eternity never came in to use, and I'm pretty certain it's not even required. I won the coin toss, had two Protect Artifacts and a Nova in hand at the start, and Jezebel couldn't play that damnable cloak before I PA'd both her tower piles.
Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that unless you draw a good hand and win the coin toss, this style of deck can't win consistently, as Jez aleways plays a cloak on her second turn, and by the time the cloak chain breaks, your PAs will be useless. Sure, the explosion might help, but once again, you need to draw that perfect hand (2 PAs, 1 Explosion, 2 Novas or 2 photons & 2 cremations)...
A mono-aether deck would do much better, I reckon, iIF you have a few Shards of Wisdom. I only have one... :(
Post by: ColorlessGreen on April 16, 2013, 03:38:08 pm
Jez aleways plays a cloak on her second turn,
Why do people keep saying this? Is this a thing? I'd never even heard this until recently.
At any rate, it just plain isn't true (she has six cloaks out of 68 cards), and even if it were, just add another deflag or two. PA'ing the QT stack is vital, but PA'ing the water tower stack is just a bonus. One deflag and one PA on the same turn takes care of the QTs even with a cloak on the field.
Post by: Zso_Zso on April 20, 2013, 02:22:14 pm
- Explosions should help to clear cloak if it goes up before you can protect her towers
- Only play sanctuary and dagger when you can immediately protect them
- Play Unstopable on your golem AFTER it survived a turn or two and has grown (otherwise it might be wasted to siphon)
Post by: oblivion1212 on April 25, 2013, 10:19:32 am
Here is another variant on the crema-golem idea, with a bit more healing to get you more EMs:
- Explosions should help to clear cloak if it goes up before you can protect her towers
- Only play sanctuary and dagger when you can immediately protect them
- Play Unstopable on your golem AFTER it survived a turn or two and has grown (otherwise it might be wasted to siphon)
thanks! worked wonderfully, and got a :rainbow quantum tower and a :darkness steal...
funny RNG giving me a tower :D
Post by: skyironsword on May 01, 2013, 09:37:00 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 14, 2013, 04:22:45 pm
Can someone try this deck? Its pretty self-explanatory: Otyughs enhanced by Shard of patience eat everything, while dry spells remove cloak and give quanta for nymphs tears. Nymphs give 36 healing per turn for just 3 quanta. You will end up with a pseudo OTK.
Might have severe starting issues, especially if SoP is stolen the turn its played (you only play it if u have creatures out but there are Nymphs with 5+ hp.
Should work best fully upped (except for dry spells, dessication is too expensive quantawise).
Post by: Zso_Zso on May 14, 2013, 05:17:44 pm
The deck is pretty good against some opponents (e.g. I EMd Obliterator with it), but the problem with Jezebel is, that when she steals your SoP, then her nymphs start growing so you never get a chance to eat them. You need to have a fat Otyugh out before she plays the first nymph AND you need a dry-spell + quanta to be able to eat it right away. That's very hard to achieve even with the faster upped deck.
IF you get a faster start then her, then sure its smooth sailing once you have fat eaters on the table that eat any nymph she pulls.
Trouble is: most of the time you will not be fast enough for that, she will steal your SoP before you have a big enough Otyugh ready to eat, then she has the upper hand with her nymphs growing fat.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 14, 2013, 06:50:41 pm
I tried an upped and slightly tweaked version with some pends to get more water quanta -- needed for the NT.
The deck is pretty good against some opponents (e.g. I EMd Obliterator with it), but the problem with Jezebel is, that when she steals your SoP, then her nymphs start growing so you never get a chance to eat them. You need to have a fat Otyugh out before she plays the first nymph AND you need a dry-spell + quanta to be able to eat it right away. That's very hard to achieve even with the faster upped deck.
IF you get a faster start then her, then sure its smooth sailing once you have fat eaters on the table that eat any nymph she pulls.
Trouble is: most of the time you will not be fast enough for that, she will steal your SoP before you have a big enough Otyugh ready to eat, then she has the upper hand with her nymphs growing fat.
I am quite surprised by your results. Never would i have expected this deck to work against Obliterator with his heavy hitters. The upped version requires no more then 3 turns (just 2 turns for most of them) to have SoP out to be able to eat every Nymph. Since steal will be used on pillars instantly, this means that Jezebel is required to draw one steal in 6 cards which -I think- is not that probable and then you might have another one while Jezebel destroys his in the next turn (or do I underestimate the AI here?). Maybe it works if you use Gravy pillars only and replace 1Nt with another Dry spell?
Post by: Zso_Zso on May 14, 2013, 07:35:03 pm
Post by: furballdn on June 14, 2013, 08:06:01 pm
Needed to immolate a pet, but I got the win down. I suppose this can be a relatively cheap completely unupped counter with common cards if one gets a bit lucky or burns a pet.
Post by: dawn to dusk on June 18, 2013, 06:06:35 am
eat any nymphs and let your pends get stolen. when stolen, jezebel will use nymph tears on them giving your scarabs easy food.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 21, 2013, 05:35:00 pm
Slightly modded Zso's deck, mostly unupped. No EM (didn't draw another PA after I got her QTs), but still worked like a charm. Also won a Tears :3
Post by: farscape on June 23, 2013, 02:50:08 pm
^ this version (even less upgrades) worked too.
Post by: Moraku on July 15, 2013, 12:46:02 pm
Post by: Daenyathos on July 20, 2013, 11:54:45 am
^ this version (even less upgrades) worked too.
Worked like a charm, even though I got only one PA through the first 21 or 22 cards that were played.
Cheers!
Post by: majofa on July 25, 2013, 07:14:58 pm
A mod of mypetmachine's version of my deck. A lot of life quantum makes Jade Shield a pretty useful substitute, freeing up a PA for more important things.
Modded to have 6x Granite Skins
Post by: trashduke on August 02, 2013, 09:37:36 pm
Slightly modded Zso's deck, mostly unupped. No EM (didn't draw another PA after I got her QTs), but still worked like a charm. Also won a Tears :3
This worked really well. Once I PAed her QTs, she just sat there with one Nymph (didn't create more Water Nymphs) - odd. Also save the Explosions/Deflags for her Cloaks so that you can then use PA. I happened to have lots of upped cards that I swapped in, but it should work regardless:
Update: Well, added an upgraded Sanctuary and lost hard. I PAed her Water towers, but then she just happened to use tears on a QP and it turned into a Nymph Queen... lame. Oh well.
Update 2: Got the perfect draw with this deck: two PAs, a ROL, and a Cremation on the first turn. Jezzie put her QTs and Water Towers out and then I PAed them the next turn. She didn't do any damage to me all game (she tried to Drain Life my golem, but didn't even manage to do kill him). Stats: 2 for 3 with this deck.
Post by: xyan on November 10, 2013, 07:30:37 am
yes i know it needs a RT, but heck, this was made for the challenge and it only worked cuz my draws worked out. this just proves that the upped version is solid.
Post by: Phestus on November 16, 2013, 10:47:31 am
If you dont get more EAs than their QTs, you are screwed. Since the FG draws 3X your cards, good luck with that.
Turn 4 Jezebel had 3 nymphs out. Even with a double immo draw and burning a pet, I was sunk very quickly. Plus, my destroyers were drained/black numphed to death, so not only could I not protect myself at all, I couldnt get any damange in.
Im not doing any more FGs. I spent 400 on extra LGs and EAs to build this POS the first time, and a few here and there for the updated version. Waste of time.
Post by: Higurashi on November 16, 2013, 11:45:41 am
More EA's than QT's? You only need one EA to enchant her entire stack of QT's. In total you only need to draw 2 the entire game: the second one for her Water towers. I've ran an unupped Immo counter against her on my alt for months, and sometimes you do lose because EA's cost 2 :earth and she'll put up a Cloak before that. Despite this, it has a 70% winrate.
Now for some math: if we assume an upgraded card is worth 1100 (average is a bit over that) electrum and you win a card 30% of the time on average from FG's (which is undershooting it by 17%), you get 330 per win against an FG. Challenging an FG costs 30 electrum. This means a deck only needs a winrate of 9% to almost break even (99%). Do you see where this is going?
Now before we talk about RNG: if you play any decent counter a relevant amount of times, your gain will catch up. Even if your luck was the worst in the world, you'd still be close to evening out once you have enough statistical data. Here's something you can do to see how good a counter -actually- is instead of instantly raging after one match in a game that's controlled by RNG: load the deck in Trainer (elementsthegame.com/trainer), load the AI deck code for that FG and test away.
After a few more weeks/months on your real account, you'll also find most counters to produce a very nice amount of electrum per deck. Some of them are at 90% winrate. If a deck had that against all FG's, its FGei (basically a measurement of electrum/h for FG's) would be through the roof and it'd be the most profitable deck ever. You have the luxury of employing this every time you spin a specific FG.
Post by: Submachine on January 09, 2014, 04:39:47 pm
(http://imgur.com/oHmKGYf.jpg)
Won an upped NT too. Selling fodder. ;D
Post by: vivimancer on January 13, 2014, 12:56:19 am
managed to 6 turn win, not too shabby
Post by: Lech on January 18, 2014, 02:43:54 pm
Used this for EM (actually two EM's, second one in trainer).
Post by: kaempfer13 on August 03, 2014, 11:41:19 am
Post by: trashduke on September 01, 2014, 02:14:55 am
This deck is 7-4 so far against Jezzie, but today was the first time I got an EM. :)
Won an upped NT too. Selling fodder. ;D
This counter seems like a good idea, so I gave it a run (fully upped). I didn't win, but it has potential I think. I wonder if putting in some SoBs might help with getting to the PAs in time. It would be nice to have CC in case she did get a nymph out too. In any case, thanks for posting the deck.
Post by: trashduke on January 13, 2015, 03:33:04 am
By now I just use swallow with an extra SoP and an extra Pendulum and without purify (2 NT version).
Yup - this deck worked like a charm... thanks kaempfer
Post by: Tantoney on March 30, 2015, 04:18:48 pm
It seems that Jezebel responds almost immediately nowadays, instead of the slow start we used to have. And that contributed to all 4 of my defeats. After managing to protect one of the two towers, Jezebel will immediately respond with either a Nymph or a cloak followed by the Nymph. So basically protect both towers on the very first turn, otherwise you’re screwed.
Are there any up-to-date decks that are still effective against Jezebel nowadays?
Post by: Zso_Zso on July 04, 2015, 10:18:37 am
Post by: Grizzox on August 28, 2015, 02:36:14 pm
By now I just use swallow with an extra SoP and an extra Pendulum and without purify (2 NT version).
Yup - this deck worked like a charm... thanks kaempfer
2-1 with this deck. 2 EM's. One REALLY horrible draw.
Post by: GyroFish on June 17, 2016, 09:55:34 pm
removed lobos since he has them steals
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