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this game is too hard. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32548.msg411191#msg411191
« on: October 16, 2011, 09:37:09 pm »
Hey everyone. I'm enjoying the game after my first day. Getting mopped in the arena, lose 2 out of 3 battles. Tried an aether only deck and had trouble beating level 3.

I found this forum and the tutorial, but it barely lets me beat level 3. Haven't so much as seen an upgraded card.

This is really really tough. But somehow still fun.

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Re: this game is too hard. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32548.msg411193#msg411193
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2011, 09:43:14 pm »
Welcome to the forums! And, since you can't find a good deck, I'll show you what I use to grind AI3, it works well.

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Here is the link to the original post: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10503.0.html

It's not that hard to make, with no rares or upped cards, and it wins faster than some other decks, with a good winrate.
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Re: this game is too hard. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32548.msg411219#msg411219
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2011, 10:24:49 pm »
Arena and anything higher than AI3 will probably be too hard for you as a newbie, you should wait until you gather some money and better cards. Upgraded cards can only be bought for 1500 :electrum or from halfbloods, false gods, or gold and platinum arena.

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Re: this game is too hard. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32548.msg411227#msg411227
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2011, 10:49:59 pm »
Yep, there's a distinct jump in difficulty -- you've got AI0/1/2, which are snaxxors, AI3/Bronze League, which are where the bulk of players seem to peak out, and then a sharp jump up to AI4/Silver League, which you really can't attempt without deep knowledge and at least a few upgraded cards.  Then there's False Gods/Gold League, which require REALLY deep knowledge and almost entirely upgraded decks*, and then Platinum League which is for crazy people.



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Re: this game is too hard. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32548.msg411253#msg411253
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2011, 12:19:21 am »
Thanks for the help guys. Maybe I'll try to reorient my deck to another color.

For what it's worth I was able to purchase 6 copies of nearly all of the basic aether cards.

My aether strategy revolved around the shield, and getting phase dragons / immortals out. But I also kept fractals around to multiply shocks and photons (free card from the light deck), to deal massive damage in a short period of time. I also kept lighting bolts around to deal with annoying creatures.

I experimented with other cards like mind gate, but it started to take me away from the focus of the original deck. I needed quantum pillars to make use of the cards I copied, and it started to inject too much randomness. I also found that parallel universe could be useful, but my deck became more effective as it became more lean. (Less risk of having not enough quanta, or not enough cards to use the quanta on.)

I actually beat some pretty experienced guys with 500+ score. Sometimes.

In spite of all that... the 30 card aether deck recommended in the tutorial beat the level 3 AI more consistently. I found this interesting. But also really frustrating.

I find the level 4 AI nearly impossible (at least with aether). If they manage to put up a good shield (e.g.: the one that poisons your creatures, the one that effectively turns quana into hitpoints, the one that filters all damage less than X, or all creatures with more than X hitpoints), I'm toast.

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Re: this game is too hard. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32548.msg411255#msg411255
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2011, 12:33:30 am »
Thanks for the help guys. Maybe I'll try to reorient my deck to another color.

For what it's worth I was able to purchase 6 copies of nearly all of the basic aether cards.

My aether strategy revolved around the shield, and getting phase dragons / immortals out. But I also kept fractals around to multiply shocks and photons (free card from the light deck), to deal massive damage in a short period of time. I also kept lighting bolts around to deal with annoying creatures.

I experimented with other cards like mind gate, but it started to take me away from the focus of the original deck. I needed quantum pillars to make use of the cards I copied, and it started to inject too much randomness. I also found that parallel universe could be useful, but my deck became more effective as it became more lean. (Less risk of having not enough quanta, or not enough cards to use the quanta on.)

I actually beat some pretty experienced guys with 500+ score. Sometimes.

In spite of all that... the 30 card aether deck recommended in the tutorial beat the level 3 AI more consistently. I found this interesting. But also really frustrating.

I find the level 4 AI nearly impossible (at least with aether). If they manage to put up a good shield (e.g.: the one that poisons your creatures, the one that effectively turns quana into hitpoints, the one that filters all damage less than X, or all creatures with more than X hitpoints), I'm toast.
I'd say take away the sparks and photons and fractals. They're not that efficient for taking up that much space in your deck. 6 dimensional shields, some immortals, dragons, or parallel universes for offense and the rest filled with aether pillars is a pretty solid mono aether deck good for AI3.

Re: this game is too hard. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32548.msg411293#msg411293
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2011, 02:02:28 am »
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In spite of all that... the 30 card aether deck recommended in the tutorial beat the level 3 AI more consistently. I found this interesting. But also really frustrating.

I find the level 4 AI nearly impossible (at least with aether). If they manage to put up a good shield (e.g.: the one that poisons your creatures, the one that effectively turns quana into hitpoints, the one that filters all damage less than X, or all creatures with more than X hitpoints), I'm toast.
I'd say take away the sparks and photons and fractals. They're not that efficient for taking up that much space in your deck. 6 dimensional shields, some immortals, dragons, or parallel universes for offense and the rest filled with aether pillars is a pretty solid mono aether deck good for AI3.
Exactly.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1190.0.html#post_aether

I found they were just getting in the way, taking up space and causing me to miss the cards I need.

It was really annoying to find out I'd tried every combination of aether only to find that it was close to the opening 30 cards that worked best.

And even then, I went from winning less than 20% against level 3, to winning less than 20% against level 4, with no chance of getting any upgrades.

My best guess: they rebalanced the game so you pretty much HAVE to buy cards to have fun.

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Re: this game is too hard. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32548.msg411315#msg411315
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2011, 03:17:35 am »
Not at all. In fact, there's not even a way to buy cards unless you count donating, which is hugely inefficient. The fun is in the ramping up of the challenge, the ever-increasingly-focused decks you have to build to compete.  :)
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Re: this game is too hard. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32548.msg411319#msg411319
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2011, 03:26:48 am »
I shouldn't have been so quick to judge. There's a lot of grinding, but it's proving to be fun as you unlock more cards.

I finally axxepted that beating the level 3 AI is pretty good. And worked my way up to 500 score.

Lobotomizer. Wow.

This is a fun card and makes aether a more complete strategy.

I also beat a level 4 guy, got a rare (crusader) card, whixh I sold off and upgraded my lobotomizer.

Having a lot of fun with aether. Let's keep going...

If anyone has any advice for what I should upgrade next, I'd be eternally grateful.
 

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Re: this game is too hard. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32548.msg411321#msg411321
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2011, 03:32:14 am »
Wait.....crusader is rare?
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Re: this game is too hard. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32548.msg411324#msg411324
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2011, 04:09:51 am »
Wait.....crusader is rare?
Probably got an upgraded crusader (counted as rare when sold in bazaar).
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Re: this game is too hard. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32548.msg411327#msg411327
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2011, 04:23:23 am »
Don't be expecting to kill half bloods within your first days of playing the game!

 

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