losing cards, is it because of pvp?

[Dark Mortal]

I'm still fairly new to most things about this game so sorry if I missed anywhere notifying that pvp is pretty much a gambling risk of gaining or.... losing.. cards.

I've purchased at least 6 of every card purchasable from the bazaar (extra being of pillars/pendulums), to avoid having to go back to bazaar to buy/sell (waste time/money) just to be able to experiment with different element decks. I haven't done much of pvp before and I've started again today but now going back to manage my deck I noticed all my earth cards were reduced in amount. so i went back to the bazaar after selling a few upgraded cards to restock, got each card back up to 6 and went back to managing my deck then off to enjoy experimenting my deck for pvp again. played a few more pvp games and still adjusting cards, i go back to manage my deck to notice now entrophy and water have both lost cards. over half have dissappeared (thankfully my rare, upgraded and pillar/pendulum card amounts have remained the same). almost every other card has been reduced to 1 or 2 total of each. earth has been one element i've been using but I havent touched these 2 elements for the arena either. I've never noticed losing cards from playing in the arena before but this has suddenly decreased my total cardsdown to 1109 (after replenishing my stock of earth) while before this had begun this, I had a little over 1200, and after maybe 20 pvp matches, if even that many, this surely does not seem to add up to any possible explanation.

[TribalTrouble]

Some screenshots go a long way. Maybe a before and after loss of cards? PvP shouldn't remove cards, unless someone has your account's user and password and is randomly selling cards or something.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Most probable cause is usually playing elements on different computers and overriding saves. I really don't know if this applies to your situation, but if you were to keep an elements tab open, login and play elsewhere, then continue with that tab and save, all progress you did after you left it open would be gone.

If that's the situation then there you go, otherwise I know of nothing that would cause cards to just "dissappear", you'd have to test, see what triggers it, recreate it and then provide screenshots here for the best possible feedback.

[Dark Mortal]

I can't see how it would be save overwriting since its been a few days ago that I had finished getting my inventory full of purchasable player sets (max amount of cards allowed in 1 deck [MTG term], just to simplify having to write 6 of each card yada yada). Though I can't completely dismiss the possibility with it being to do with 2 accounts on one computer since my gf plays and is who got me started into elements after I had gotten her into MTG, but from it happening with earth and then later with water and entropy, I hadn't logged off between those two periods. Also, we never have both accounts logged into different tabs, many games don't approve of that. Granted, the main reason being is if the games have a trade system or pvp rewards to benefit from by cheating or other related ways to manipulate outcomes in ones favor, and this game doesn't seem like it has anything to abuse for personal gain outside of what was intended. Regardless though, I tend to avoid that risk because some developers tend to go extreme with the penalties. So it doesn't seem very probable to assume that.

I don't know anyone else who plays to have logged into my account, if it's even possible to be logged in at two different locations at the same time on the same account. Let alone, I never give my information to anyone because among accounts for everything (other games, emails, etc.),  I have multiple passwords, and this being the most frequently used. So..

Screenshots, before and after, a little difficult due to 1. I don't have a Delorean (lol), and 2. I'd have to SS each element tab in order to provide possible illusive imagery and say I had 6 of all the rare/upgraded cards too (after the next time it would happen) in hopes of an admin/GM/etc. accommodating for the issue. I just wouldn't see it as actual proof for if at all possible that they were to do so. Only unquestionable evidence would be if the site had a system log for each account. I guess it wouldn't hurt, though, to SS what's happened so far and if it happens again I'll SS the aftermath.

All I can say is I'd pvp to test the deck, go back to manage deck, see what need to be adjusted, and go straight back to pvp and test it again. The only reason to have gone to the bazaar is to maybe buy more pillar/pendulums to situate the quanta balance, and the only reason I came across water and entropy missing cards is just skimming through the tabs to think of a new idea and what elements I could work with. I had double checked each tab after it happened with earth, to ensure it was only earth, and no other tab was changed then.

Actually, I don't know if this is just recent or if I didn't pay much attention to the "others" tab before but as I was getting ready to SS each tab and noticed they're all 1 of each now too, except quantum pillars and the 2 upgraded shields.

Anyway, in a few minutes or so I'll post SS's of my current inventory.

Edit: Erm.. Actually, on second thought, I forgot how much of a pain it is to post images (I'll admit I'm too lazy right now to do it, lol.), I don't remember the info to log in for image shack/photobucket or w.e the websites were. It's been a long time since I've bothered much with forums, so I'll come back to it sometime later.

[TribalTrouble]

You can just upload all of them by dragging them all to imgur.com at once and then copy and paste the url given when all the screenshots are uploaded. it should then allow us to go to the link and click through each and every screenshot.

[Keolino]

There are more ways for cards in your collection to "disapear".

1. You or somebody else sells them. Just to make sure it's not a hacker or whatever, you should change your password. Further, it will probably be a good choice to keep track not only of your cards, but of your money and score as well. Even if it isn't somebody else making fun of your account, if your cards can disappear, than other things may as well. (and of course you shouldn't only track unupped cards, but upped cards as well.)

2. If you build a deck, than your cards don't show up in your collection anymore till you remove the cards from your deck again. I am sure you have noticed, but I don't want to leave anything out.

3. If you upgrade a card, the unupped card will disapear.

4. You are logged in on two different locations, with one and the same account. Then you buy cards on one computer, return to the normal screen to save and then log out. After that you go to the other computer, play a game or do something else to save, and then log out. If you did that, than the cards you bought on the first computer now disapeared. (You overwrote the save-game where you bought the cards, so the money "came back" to you.)


If you still think that it is a bug, you will have to find it (since, till now, as far as I know, nobody else encountered that bug)
To do that efficiently, check at least your unupped collection every time ->
->after you log in
->after you play a game
->after you change your deck
->after you upgrade cards
->after you buy cards from the bazzar

So that the next time it occurs, you can tell us as precisely as possible what exactly happened (If you want to be serious, note which opponents you play against (if it is pvp1 or pvp2, as well as the names of your opponent and which deck they played), which cards you upgrade, and which cards you buy or sell as well as which decks you play and which changes you make to the deck as soon as you change it. Since the bug is hidden somewhere and not easy to find, all this information may prove helpful.)

Also, do you play on kongregate or the official elements site?

[Calambar]

I only know a confirmed bug (at least by omegareaper7) that you lose almost all cards from a certain stack if it goes over 120 or something like that. I know it's maybe stupid to have over 6 copies of a given card, but still I think such the thing should not happen. I don't know if that bug has ever been reported.

[Dark Mortal]

Spoiler for Hidden:

There are more ways for cards in your collection to "disapear".

1. You or somebody else sells them. Just to make sure it's not a hacker or whatever, you should change your password. Further, it will probably be a good choice to keep track not only of your cards, but of your money and score as well. Even if it isn't somebody else making fun of your account, if your cards can disappear, than other things may as well. (and of course you shouldn't only track unupped cards, but upped cards as well.)

2. If you build a deck, than your cards don't show up in your collection anymore till you remove the cards from your deck again. I am sure you have noticed, but I don't want to leave anything out.

3. If you upgrade a card, the unupped card will disapear.

4. You are logged in on two different locations, with one and the same account. Then you buy cards on one computer, return to the normal screen to save and then log out. After that you go to the other computer, play a game or do something else to save, and then log out. If you did that, than the cards you bought on the first computer now disapeared. (You overwrote the save-game where you bought the cards, so the money "came back" to you.)


If you still think that it is a bug, you will have to find it (since, till now, as far as I know, nobody else encountered that bug)
To do that efficiently, check at least your unupped collection every time ->
->after you log in
->after you play a game
->after you change your deck
->after you upgrade cards
->after you buy cards from the bazzar

So that the next time it occurs, you can tell us as precisely as possible what exactly happened (If you want to be serious, note which opponents you play against (if it is pvp1 or pvp2, as well as the names of your opponent and which deck they played), which cards you upgrade, and which cards you buy or sell as well as which decks you play and which changes you make to the deck as soon as you change it. Since the bug is hidden somewhere and not easy to find, all this information may prove helpful.)

Also, do you play on kongregate or the official elements site?

1. Understandable.
2. Yes I have realized this.
3. ^ As well.
4. If what you say is exactly as you intended it to be written, and you're certain that it is precisely how it happens, then what I've said already removes that possibility.

Spoiler for Hidden:

"Though I can't completely dismiss the possibility with it being to do with 2 accounts on one computer since my gf plays and is who got me started into elements after I had gotten her into MTG, but from it happening with earth and then later with water and entropy, I hadn't logged off between those two periods.",

I've been almost as specific as capable. I had been playing PvP 1. I did not log out before the instance occurred or between then and when I had first posted this (which according to the save-over theory you stated, this doesn't fit the possibility). Player names I wouldn't have been able to remember unless I had been expecting something like this to happen beforehand. All I can remember about their decks were about 5-7 different people I had come across (few several times so not many people may have been playing at the time), and as far as I can remember they all consisted between Wind, Earth, Life, Fire, Gravity, Darkness and Time.

My own decks, however, I had been shifting from wind+fire (field burn/unstable gasses etc.), Wind+Fire Mark (Dragons with Unstable Gasses etc.). Marks are hard to say for the rest, it depended whether I needed a small amount of quanta for the few cards from another element, if it was to run for a quicker start or if I just needed as much of the quanta I could use. After that I believe, I had then mixed in with Earths and Gravitys (the blur of memory due to constant and total idea changes). Then Darkness, Earth and Gravity (Which, this deck I can be more specific for what was used in it since I had pretty much grew experience with it not long after I began playing Elements. Though at that time I ran 60 card decks, unlike as minimal as possible now, having more care into reliability on starting hands and draws. I used Basilisk Bloods, Gravity Pull, and Voodoo Dolls. Steals and Armagio's.)

Lastly, I play on the official site "www.elementsthegame.com [nofollow]". ([After preview] I don't know what the "[nofollow]" is if it matters, lol.)

I only know a confirmed bug (at least by omegareaper7) that you lose almost all cards from a certain stack if it goes over 120 or something like that. I know it's maybe stupid to have over 6 copies of a given card, but still I think such the thing should not happen. I don't know if that bug has ever been reported.

I'm not sure that would be classified as confirmed.. if it wasn't ever reported first in order to be confirmed. If it is the case though, it seems probable, but then I'm puzzled why the other element tabs haven't been effected which have nearly the same or more cards in the category. Unless the trigger targets only one target element list at a time. I haven't touched a match since the night, neither PvC or PvP. I've only logged on to check the Oracle and see how my Arena deck is doing and maybe sell the card from the oracle because I already have 6 in the remaining lists unaffected.

You can just upload all of them by dragging them all to imgur.com at once and then copy and paste the url given when all the screenshots are uploaded. it should then allow us to go to the link and click through each and every screenshot.

I'll give that site a try maybe tomorrow.

Edit: Forgot to include upon mentioning I haven't done any matches when I do log in, that, no further issues have occurred.

[ColorlessGreen]

Note that the >120 bug means >120 copies of a single card, not >120 copies of cards total within an element.

[Calambar]

Note that the >120 bug means >120 copies of a single card, not >120 copies of cards total within an element.

Yep thanks for clarification. I wrote "stack". And then about 6 copies, but sorry if I still confused anyone  Sometimes, I don't know how to clearly put my ideas into words.

[eaglgenes101]

Does it keep happening?  If not,  maybe it was a corrupted packet or something.  Or it never saved.