Would you guys be okay with Crucible and Forge cards no longer requiring art?

[CleanOnion]

The solution I suggest is I/Zephyr/Card Designer/AD give/find/make art once it hits cygnia if a card doesn't have it when it hits cygnia.

There's no point wasting time finding fitting art for an unsuccessful card, after all.

(Yay! Quotes are working again!)

I'd be happy to volunteer for this - I don't have a portfolio yet because I've only arted 5 cards (I think) but if you want me I'm here.

[foxrain4]

No, what card games have no artwork?
fantastic fantasy artwork is the crucial point and determine factor
of whether a card is cool or not which then relates to whether a game is cool or not.

artless cards will just create passionate card maker spammers
but not attract the real card maker professionals.

[Espithel]

No, what card games have no artwork?
fantastic fantasy artwork is the crucial point and determine factor
of whether a card is cool or not which then relates to whether a game is cool or not.

artless cards will just create passionate card maker spammers
but not attract the real card maker professionals.

Please NOTE that the Candidate Review will occur once a week (on Saturday), and up to four links (the first four that you post on this thread) will only be reviewed.

Also note that we're not saying true artlessness, but merely delaying when a card needs art.
Preferably, when it enters the game, because that's when it needs it.

[CrockettRocket]

I think it would be perfect if the forge and crucible didn't require card art so long as the armory requires it. (Which, according to the OP, the armory does. So yeah that's my opinion)

[foxrain4]

No, what card games have no artwork?
fantastic fantasy artwork is the crucial point and determine factor
of whether a card is cool or not which then relates to whether a game is cool or not.

artless cards will just create passionate card maker spammers
but not attract the real card maker professionals.

Please NOTE that the Candidate Review will occur once a week (on Saturday), and up to four links (the first four that you post on this thread) will only be reviewed.

Also note that we're not saying true artlessness, but merely delaying when a card needs art.
Preferably, when it enters the game, because that's when it needs it.

a gaming card is not a gaming card if it have no artwork.

technically its still a card,
but spiritually an artless card is a card without a soul,
items without a soul will not prosper and propagate.

people will spam on artless cards and
voters will be seeing a list of artless cards,
and slowly, everyone will slowly lose interests in card ideas and Art forum section.

its good to try out artless cards for crucible i think
but remember to head back if the results is different from expected.

[antiaverage]

a gaming card is not a gaming card if it have no artwork.

Cards in Crucible are not finished cards. They are still being discussed, not put into the game. You have to allow for an unfinished state in order to reduce friction for sharing ideas.

people will spam on artless cards and
voters will be seeing a list of artless cards,
and slowly, everyone will slowly lose interests in card ideas and Art forum section.

This is massive speculation and has not been a problem.

its good to try out artless cards for crucible i think
but remember to head back if the results is different from expected.

Don't worry, art would still be important for finalizing a card.

[OdinVanguard]

I personally think that the art restriction for crucible can be lifted without any problems.
As some have mentioned, crucible ideas are still relatively raw and unfinished.
Moreover, as an artist, it is frustrating to spend a lot of time and effort making a good art concept only too see it go to waste if the card doesn't advance.

I do think art should begin at the forge level though. This is the gateway to Cygnia, where the card actually comes to life and people get to see it in action. As such there should be some form of artwork. If nothing else, it helps distinguish the card from others.
From a playing perspective, it gets frustrating when there are too many artless cards because, being visual creatures, humans can recognize a card more easily from a picture than from having to read the name.

If a card has art going into crucible, though, all the better. It does help to bring the card to life and can help shape its personality, theme, and mechanics a little better than just a name alone.

[Espithel]

Given the almost unanimous yes vote, the real question now is do we request art at Forge, or at Armoury (Aka Cygnia)

I'm for "When it enters Cygnia" simply because I despise the notion of putting it in a poll it cannot win.

[AD TienzuStorm]

Given the almost unanimous yes vote, the real question now is do we request art at Forge, or at Armoury (Aka Cygnia)

I'm for "When it enters Cygnia" simply because I despise the notion of putting it in a poll it cannot win.

I think an option could be at the Forge --> Armory stage, it is not included in the poll until it gets art. That way, it'll still be public and won't be lost or anything, just it requires art of some kind before it's eligible (think like how LCC --> Crucible has restrictions, but instead of flat out not putting it into the Crucible, it'll be set aside).

Thoughts?

[ZephyrPhantom]

Armory and "When it enters Cygnia" are virtually the same thing, save for one difference I'll explain below.

If a card designer really feels the mechanic alone will carry them in a poll and it does, good for them. I see no reason to be overly strict and enforce art requirements from Crucible/Forge.

I do agree that artless cards are far less appealing to play with, though, so I think art should be checked prior to Cygnia - if we leave it up until we're adding the card to Cyngia we're going to have a last minute scramble for art. Armory = Cygnia quality level so we might as well have the art added then, since the card is guaranteed to hit Cygnia.

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[OdinVanguard]

One other point worth making is that it would be good to have some kind of "these cards need art" thread for cards in the forge that need artwork.

It gives those card artists out there something to work toward.
Since the cards in question would be very close to entering Cygnia, this would also have the added motivation for artists in that their work would be much more likely to see use as compared with drafting art for cards in the smithy stage.

[EmeraldTiger]

You all know I'll help with art as much as I can.