Project: The 13th Element

[moomoose]

sounds good.  the next issues i have i think i mentioned already in this thread: overlapping heal mechanic in joy and biofeedback, and bonus attack/stats in morale and psychometabolism.  should we really have two of each of these card types in the mind element?

edit- the reason i bring this up while discussing balance is that we will have to balance cards in the deck relative to eachother within itself primarily, within the element secondarily, and then as well the standard with every other element thirdly.  and after the discussion we just had with meme, morale+meme is completely nasty, a major 'secondary' violation.

[OldTrees]

Back when elements were smaller:
Fire had Lava Golem and Fire Spirit as atk buffs.
Life had Heal and Empathetic Growth as healing.

Considering the increased size of each element, I think a mass buff and a single target buff is not too much. However Joy and Biofeedback might be too much.

I personally think that the Duo is the primary deck to consider for balance because I think Duos are more common than Monos. Morale + Meme will be no more nasty than Morale + Fractal. (It will have a suitable casting cost or other drawback)

[moomoose]

"Fire had Lava Golem and Fire Spirit as atk buffs.
Life had Heal and Empathetic Growth as healing."

well those are those element's fortes, i wouldnt naturally associate mind with those, i would say one card of each is fine, two of healing is stepping on life's toes and two of +atk buffs is stretching mind's association with offense (fire is rather natural).  i would strongly, very strongly, encourage the replacing of morale with either another effect or another card.  as is, it is a nightfall/eclipse type card but for *all* elements.  i think that meme + morale as a mono (morale would more than effectively double the number of memes on the field) is more of an issue than morale + fractal, but thats not to say i dont think that would be an issue as well.

[EmeraldTiger]

I don't know if this would be of any use but here it is.

[Essence]

I suppose that seems balanced enough as far as i can tell

i believe the next card mentioned was psionist, the only 'trick' to this card is basically determining how much damage it should do and how much, if any, added cost should be attributed to the attacks as spells, which has an overall benefit, but a severe drawback against reflective shields.
original cost|atk|hp
|3|2
|5|2

I may be inclined to boost the upgraded attack by 1 and maybe reduce its cost by 1

My big problem is the low HP.  I don't see Mind creatures as being like Fire and Air creatures (high ATK low HP).  Add to that the fact that the upgraded is distinctly less powerful than it's two closest cousins (Phase Recluse and Elite Charger), and I see a pretty strong argument for adding +3 HP to the upped version.  That will give a Momentum-like creature that doesn't die to Maxwell's Demon, which is a niche currently unfilled, without stepping too much on anyone else's toes and while giving Mind the benefit of a nicely rounded critter.

[moomoose]

good point, i think charger is a good creature to base the hp/atk/cost off of- thats not to say the stats have to match exactly, but similar to how dragons have their costs/atk in the same ballpark


so how about
cost|atk|hp
|3|4
|6|6

[OldTrees]

+3 atk and 4hp->6hp is a bit much IMO. +3 atk or +2atk and 4hp->6hp would be fine.

Also there is a poll up about the redundancy.

[Essence]

I'm fine with Psychometabolism/Morale, but one of Joy and Feedback need to be removed.  Mind shouldn't be a strong healing element.

[moomoose]

personally i like the mechanic based on the number of cards in your hand in combination with attack power increase, i like joy's relation to spell casting which is a strong assoctiation with mind.  morale is too powerful (and kinda sounds more like a potential "spirit" thing?) and biofeedback would be the odd man out with only needing 1 healing card. 

i think it would be nice to bring back the card that shows you the next card in your and/or your opponents hand, and then maybe a spell along the lines of momentum that converts a creature's attack to spell based, or a straight out damaging spell (keep the niche of damage based on cards in hand?)  - wish i had thought of the latter two earlier.

*edit broke up wall of text

[moomoose]

+3 atk and 4hp->6hp is a bit much IMO. +3 atk or +2atk and 4hp->6hp would be fine.

so if im reading this right you are suggesting
cost|atk|hp
|3|4
|6|4

or

cost|atk|hp
|3|4
|5|6

as two possibilities?

[OldTrees]

Yes.
I think the 3|4 -> 5|6 would be the better of the two.

[Essence]

Agreed.  Next card?