Project: The 13th Element

[Flayne]

Nice card template Z, although the part at the top right corner has essentially the same color as Aether, The card template should be a little more focused on similar hues of color so its more solid.

[OldTrees]

"Meme: Generate a delayed Meme"[Essence] is a possibility and would require the costs to be adjusted again.
Turn/Total Damage/Cost (cost does not include that turn's AC cost because delay renders that useless until the next turn)
1/2/CC
2/4/CC
3/8/CC+1AC
4/16/CC+3AC
5/32/CC+75AC
6/64/CC+15AC
7/128/CC+31AC

Lava Golem
Turn/Damage/Cost
1/5/5
2/12/5 1
3/21/5 2
4/32/5 3
5/45/5 4
6/60/5 5
7/77/5 6
8/96/5 7


It is a good design ZB.

[moomoose]

psionist was my idea, and the names are just suggestions

and i actually like the upper right corner being a blueish hue, that was one of the desired colors for the element but it didnt make it into the marks

so if im reading that table right, youre saying meme, a mono card, will outdo a lava golem, a duo card? but with a higher price, obviously.

[Essence]

"Meme: Generate a delayed Meme"[Essence] is a possibility and would require the costs to be adjusted again.
Turn/Total Damage/Cost
1/2/CC
2/4/CC+AC
3/8/CC+2AC
4/16/CC+4AC
5/32/CC+8AC
6/64/CC+16AC
7/128/CC+32AC

Lava Golem
Turn/Damage/Cost
1/5/5
2/12/5 1
3/21/5 2
4/32/5 3
5/45/5 4
6/60/5 5
7/77/5 6
8/96/5 7

So, on the one hand, the Lava Golem costs 2 kinds of quanta, has a higher base CC, dies more easily at first, and doesn't deal damage quite as quickly.  On the other hand, it has a greater damage up front, more HP in the long run, and greatly reduced total costs.   

I still think maybe the Meme is a little strong, but the delayed version is much more reasonable.  What would it look like if it were  "Meme: Generate a Meme.  Delay for 1 turn."  -- much like a Warden, where the Delay is applied to the parent creature, so it didn't attack on turns that it reproduced?

[ZephyrPhantom]

Thanks guys.

Also, quick note - why does Psi Nymph (unupped) have 2 | 2 as it's current stats in the OP when I originally made them 2 | 4?

[OldTrees]

Thanks guys.

Also, quick note - why does Psi Nymph (unupped) have 2 | 2 as it's current stats in the OP when I originally made them 2 | 4?

Typo


I think the generated Meme being delayed fits the germination of the idea better than delaying the adult.
CC:3 and AC:1 would be a total cost of 34 for 96 damage over 7 turns. Sound Balanced-Weak? (remember Morale will boost the potency)

[Essence]

How do you figure?  CC:3 and AC:1 gives me a total cost of 25.  3 for the first Meme, and 1 for each additional Meme (22 additional Memes.)  Remember, you only ever have to pay the CC once -- all of the other Memes cost only the AC.   I'm much more comfortable with an AC of 2, for a total of 47 cost for the same effect.

[ZephyrPhantom]

Hmmm. Is there a gameplay difference between the parent Meme being delayed or the spawned Meme being delayed?
Also, I made a test card, using a modified version of the Forum's old card creator:

[Essence]

Hmmm. Is there a gameplay difference between the parent Meme being delayed or the spawned Meme being delayed?

Quite a bit.  If the parent is delayed, then there's a continuous choice between dealing damage now or creating more Memes.  If the spawn is delayed, the parent can both create another Meme and deal damage on it's turn, and the delay prevents the Spawn from dealing damage, but it already couldn't recreate because of summoning sickness.  Essentially, the delay on the spawn extends the time required to deal damage by one turn; the delay of the parent means that you could potentially do zero damage until your field is completely full because you're spending all of your time spawning.

[ZephyrPhantom]

I would go for the delay of the spawn then - I think slowing the damage is better that way.
I got a PM from unit748596 who said he had a good pic for Mind:

idk how to make it into a card, so ima just give you the pic

As a reminder to designers who cannot yet post in the Idea Factory - post here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,25499.0.html) with your feedback and suggestions.

[Flayne]

Wow, excellent quality image  8)

[OldTrees]

How do you figure?  CC:3 and AC:1 gives me a total cost of 25.  3 for the first Meme, and 1 for each additional Meme (22 additional Memes.)  Remember, you only ever have to pay the CC once -- all of the other Memes cost only the AC.   I'm much more comfortable with an AC of 2, for a total of 47 cost for the same effect.

Turn 1: 1 meme
Turn 2: 1[+1] memes
Turn 3: 1+1[+2] memes
Turn 4: 1+1+2[+4] memes
Turn 5: 1+1+2+4[+8] memes
Turn 6: 1+1+2+4+8[+16] memes
Turn 7: 1+1+2+4+8+16 memes
CC+31AC

Hmmm. Is there a gameplay difference between the parent Meme being delayed or the spawned Meme being delayed?

Quite a bit.  If the parent is delayed, then there's a continuous choice between dealing damage now or creating more Memes.  If the spawn is delayed, the parent can both create another Meme and deal damage on it's turn, and the delay prevents the Spawn from dealing damage, but it already couldn't recreate because of summoning sickness.  Essentially, the delay on the spawn extends the time required to deal damage by one turn; the delay of the parent means that you could potentially do zero damage until your field is completely full because you're spending all of your time spawning.

If the parent is delayed the spawn deals equal damage. 1 turn delays end at the end of the current turn right?