Project: The 13th Element

[OldTrees]

going along the lines of what flayne was saying, i think vanillas should be used to fill in the gaps in the creature costs, and then balance them based on the cost needed

Ok that makes sense.

I will leave them in the poll just in case anyone is really attached to a particular one. However after all the chosen creatures are balanced we might add another vanilla to fill in cracks.

[moomoose]

another eye concept for quanta style consideration, a bit more on the mark as far as what i would think would go with the mind's eye.  but honestly i think the quanta mark could be a heck of a competition for the community, hopefully some of the established artists in the community will contribute.

[OldTrees]

More card ideas 2 (2.9%)
Weapon: Dream Edge 4 (5.7%)
Weapon: Psi Blade 3 (4.3%)
Shield: Confusion Guard 5 (7.1%)
Shield: Mind Shield 1 (1.4%)
Permanent: Revenge/Morale 7 (10%)
Permanent: Psi Link 1 (1.4%)
Permanent: Psi Spire 3 (4.3%)
Permanent: Biofeedback 5 (7.1%)
Spell: Joy 4 (5.7%)
Spell: Forget type I/type II 5 (7.1%)
Spell: Psychometabolism 5 (7.1%)
Creature: Mind Hunter 6 (8.6%)
Vanilla Creature Spectre/Projection 5 (7.1%)
Creature: Meme 4 (5.7%)
Creature: Psionist 6 (8.6%)
Creature: Psi Slayer 3 (4.3%)
Creature: Hypnotic Wanderer 0 (0%)
Creature: Dream Creator. 1 (1.4%)

Permanent: Revenge/Morale 7 (10%)

Creature: Mind Hunter 6 (8.6%)
Creature: Psionist 6 (8.6%)

Shield: Confusion Guard 5 (7.1%)
Permanent: Biofeedback 5 (7.1%)
Spell: Forget type I/type II 5 (7.1%)
Spell: Psychometabolism 5 (7.1%)
Vanilla Creature Spectre/Projection 5 (7.1%)

Weapon: Dream Edge 4 (5.7%)
Spell: Joy 4 (5.7%)
Creature: Meme 4 (5.7%)

Weapon: Psi Blade 3 (4.3%)
Permanent: Psi Spire 3 (4.3%)
Creature: Psi Slayer 3 (4.3%)

More card ideas 2 (2.9%)

Shield: Mind Shield 1 (1.4%)
Permanent: Psi Link 1 (1.4%)
Creature: Dream Creator. 1 (1.4%)

Creature: Hypnotic Wanderer 0 (0%)

Permanent: Revenge (Vote for either Revenge, Morale or neither. Do not vote for both.) 3 (4.3%)
Permanent: Morale (Vote for either Revenge, Morale or neither. Do not vote for both.) 4 (5.7%)

Spell: Forget [type 1] (Vote for Type 1, Type 2 or neither. Do not vote for both.) 2 (2.9%)
Spell: Forget [type 2] (Vote for Type 1, Type 2 or neither. Do not vote for both.) 3 (4.3%)

Vanilla Creature: Spectre of Imagination 3 (4.3%)
Vanilla Creature: Projection 2 (2.9%)

If we take the top 11 cards along with the Pillar, Pendulum, Dragon, Alchemy and Nymph we will have a 16 card set
Permanent: Revenge/Morale 7 (10%)

Creature: Mind Hunter 6 (8.6%)
Creature: Psionist 6 (8.6%)

Shield: Confusion Guard 5 (7.1%)
Permanent: Biofeedback 5 (7.1%)
Spell: Forget type I/type II 5 (7.1%)
Spell: Psychometabolism 5 (7.1%)
Vanilla Creature Spectre/Projection 5 (7.1%)

Weapon: Dream Edge 4 (5.7%)
Spell: Joy 4 (5.7%)
Creature: Meme 4 (5.7%)
16 cards
6 creatures (Dragon, Nymph, Mind Hunter, Psionist, Vanilla[default being Spectre] and Meme)
6 permanents (Pillar, Pendulum, Morale, Shield:Confusion Guard, Biofeedback, Weapon: Dream Edge)
4 spells (Alchemy, Forget type II, Psychometabolism, Joy)

These ideas will need art and balancing before a series thread will be published.
How should we do this step?

[Flayne]

I will do my best to get a new laptop as soon as possible and will begin on some art.
(I need a laptop for compatibility with my graphics tablet)
So, I will need some descriptions of the desired card art until then, to make things faster  .

[moomoose]

i think we should decide on a color theme to go with, that would help loads with creating/editing art, and would bring the help bring them together into a unified element, rather than a hodgepodge of whatever we come up with

im pretty bummed that psi spire didnt make it in, personally i thought it was the most interesting mechanic in the bunch in terms of its impact inside the game.  it could work as a creature named seer | farseer, could work out as any of activated, innate or perpetual.

[OldTrees]

i think we should decide on a color theme to go with, that would help loads with creating/editing art, and would bring the help bring them together into a unified element, rather than a hodgepodge of whatever we come up with

I agree. It probably should involve the color of the mark. Speaking of which we need to decide on a mark.

I think the one moomoose posted would work well considering the cards we chose.

[EmeraldTiger]

  = turquoise =  blue  = black  = grey  = auburn  = purple  = red
  = amber  = green  = white    = gold  = ? :mind = ?

[Flayne]

= turquoise =  blue  = black  = grey  = auburn  = purple  = red
  = amber  = green  = white    = gold  = ? :mind = ?

these may help:  Color wheel 2.1 (http://www.ficml.org/jemimap/style/color/wheel.html)
Color scheme wheel (http://colorschemedesigner.com/)

Also we could use the help fo a general color spectrum, since thats mostly what the marks are composed of in color:

[moomoose]

i see things *slightly* differently
= pale blue and pale green = pale blue and white  = black and gray  = deep purple, black and gray  = deep brown and white  = pink and white = red, orange and yellow = orange, black and white  = deep green and pale green = white, yellow and gray    = yellow and brown  = deep blue and pale blue

there's some overlap between existing elements as is, so i dont think we have to worry *too much* about partial overlap.

[Flayne]

Here are some color variations of the one I made earlier including the original: the symbol represents Bio-rythm with its "3" spirals.
I personally like the last one that is slightly grey-ish as gray has not been used on the color scale.

[EmeraldTiger]

Personally for me mind energy is colorless, or has a chameleon affect.

[Flayne]

Personally for me mind energy is colorless, or has a chameleon affect.

this could work as colorless: