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Re: Project: Quantum Generators https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25097.msg360759#msg360759
« Reply #84 on: July 04, 2011, 07:32:44 pm »
Quote from: The Mormegil on July 04, 2011, 07:30:39 pm
Quote from: OldTrees on July 04, 2011, 07:25:48 pm
It will also be used by quanta usage heavy decks (few Quantum Generators)
I disagree. If you have few Quantum Generators the LAST thing you want is to use a card that slows you down even MORE and WASTES quanta for a lot of time. You'll be heavily outrushed.
If you have few quantum generators you want them to produce more quanta or produce quanta faster than pillars.
Stalling is needed for the first. Rushing is needed for the second.
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Re: Project: Quantum Generators https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25097.msg360769#msg360769
« Reply #85 on: July 04, 2011, 07:41:43 pm »
Quote from: OldTrees on July 04, 2011, 07:32:44 pm
Quote from: The Mormegil on July 04, 2011, 07:30:39 pm
Quote from: OldTrees on July 04, 2011, 07:25:48 pm
It will also be used by quanta usage heavy decks (few Quantum Generators)
I disagree. If you have few Quantum Generators the LAST thing you want is to use a card that slows you down even MORE and WASTES quanta for a lot of time. You'll be heavily outrushed.
If you have few quantum generators you want them to produce more quanta or produce quanta faster than pillars.
Stalling is needed for the first. Rushing is needed for the second.
Yes, but playing Primal Quantum in a deck slows it down considerably until you reach a point where it becomes broken profitable. Therefore, you will need stalling, not rushing. And the stalls that benefit from lots of quanta are the ones you showed.
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Re: Project: Quantum Generators https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25097.msg360782#msg360782
« Reply #86 on: July 04, 2011, 08:02:07 pm »
Quote from: The Mormegil on July 04, 2011, 07:41:43 pm
Quote from: OldTrees on July 04, 2011, 07:32:44 pm
Quote from: The Mormegil on July 04, 2011, 07:30:39 pm
Quote from: OldTrees on July 04, 2011, 07:25:48 pm
It will also be used by quanta usage heavy decks (few Quantum Generators)
I disagree. If you have few Quantum Generators the LAST thing you want is to use a card that slows you down even MORE and WASTES quanta for a lot of time. You'll be heavily outrushed.
If you have few quantum generators you want them to produce more quanta or produce quanta faster than pillars.
Stalling is needed for the first. Rushing is needed for the second.
Yes, but playing Primal Quantum in a deck slows it down considerably until you reach a point where it becomes broken profitable. Therefore, you will need stalling, not rushing. And the stalls that benefit from lots of quanta are the ones you showed.
I think that a few other possible ones like Activated ability control decks that currently are too quanta starved. However the major players as dictated by the core design will be Dragon Fractal, Bolt and Dissipation Shield
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Re: Project: Quantum Generators https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25097.msg360785#msg360785
« Reply #87 on: July 04, 2011, 08:07:25 pm »
Quote from: OldTrees on July 04, 2011, 08:02:07 pm
I think that a few other possible ones like Activated ability control decks that currently are too quanta starved. However the major players as dictated by the core design will be Dragon Fractal, Bolt and Dissipation Shield
I have still to see an Entropy deck that has Activated ability cost problems... Besides, SoR.
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Re: Project: Quantum Generators https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25097.msg360789#msg360789
« Reply #88 on: July 04, 2011, 08:14:39 pm »
Quote from: The Mormegil on July 04, 2011, 08:07:25 pm
Quote from: OldTrees on July 04, 2011, 08:02:07 pm
I think that a few other possible ones like Activated ability control decks that currently are too quanta starved. However the major players as dictated by the core design will be Dragon Fractal, Bolt and Dissipation Shield
I have still to see an Entropy deck that has Activated ability cost problems... Besides, SoR.
I had previously suggest that PQ no longer be Entropy due to the shield. Flying/Endowed Weapons with activated abilities Control was one possible idea.
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Re: Project: Quantum Generators https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25097.msg360819#msg360819
« Reply #89 on: July 04, 2011, 08:52:30 pm »
Quote from: OldTrees on July 04, 2011, 08:14:39 pm
Quote from: The Mormegil on July 04, 2011, 08:07:25 pm
Quote from: OldTrees on July 04, 2011, 08:02:07 pm
I think that a few other possible ones like Activated ability control decks that currently are too quanta starved. However the major players as dictated by the core design will be Dragon Fractal, Bolt and Dissipation Shield
I have still to see an Entropy deck that has Activated ability cost problems... Besides, SoR.
I had previously suggest that PQ no longer be Entropy due to the shield. Flying/Endowed Weapons with activated abilities Control was one possible idea.
Changing the element would change the possible applications of the card a lot. What element should it be, then?
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Re: Project: Quantum Generators https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25097.msg360823#msg360823
« Reply #90 on: July 04, 2011, 08:58:30 pm »
Quote from: The Mormegil on July 04, 2011, 08:52:30 pm
Quote from: OldTrees on July 04, 2011, 08:14:39 pm
Quote from: The Mormegil on July 04, 2011, 08:07:25 pm
Quote from: OldTrees on July 04, 2011, 08:02:07 pm
I think that a few other possible ones like Activated ability control decks that currently are too quanta starved. However the major players as dictated by the core design will be Dragon Fractal, Bolt and Dissipation Shield
I have still to see an Entropy deck that has Activated ability cost problems... Besides, SoR.
I had previously suggest that PQ no longer be Entropy due to the shield. Flying/Endowed Weapons with activated abilities Control was one possible idea.
Changing the element would change the possible applications of the card a lot. What element should it be, then?
Quote from: moomoose on July 04, 2011, 06:57:26 pm
yeah, after the change to the entropy shield, this is more powerful in mono-entropy than in a duo-trio-quarto, which was its intended use. 
Any element that does not Greatly directly benefit from quanta accumulation.
I can think of 2 so far:
Earth for Construction theme
Life for Growth theme (Life already has Rustler for a special QG)
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Re: Project: Quantum Generators https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25097.msg360829#msg360829
« Reply #91 on: July 04, 2011, 09:07:04 pm »
Quote from: OldTrees on July 04, 2011, 08:58:30 pm
Quote from: The Mormegil on July 04, 2011, 08:52:30 pm
Quote from: OldTrees on July 04, 2011, 08:14:39 pm
Quote from: The Mormegil on July 04, 2011, 08:07:25 pm
Quote from: OldTrees on July 04, 2011, 08:02:07 pm
I think that a few other possible ones like Activated ability control decks that currently are too quanta starved. However the major players as dictated by the core design will be Dragon Fractal, Bolt and Dissipation Shield
I have still to see an Entropy deck that has Activated ability cost problems... Besides, SoR.
I had previously suggest that PQ no longer be Entropy due to the shield. Flying/Endowed Weapons with activated abilities Control was one possible idea.
Changing the element would change the possible applications of the card a lot. What element should it be, then?
Quote from: moomoose on July 04, 2011, 06:57:26 pm
yeah, after the change to the entropy shield, this is more powerful in mono-entropy than in a duo-trio-quarto, which was its intended use. 
Any element that does not Greatly directly benefit from quanta accumulation.
I can think of 2 so far:
Earth for Construction theme
Life for Growth theme (Life already has Rustler for a special QG)
Earth has StoneSkin -> :life it is?
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Re: Project: Quantum Generators https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25097.msg360833#msg360833
« Reply #92 on: July 04, 2011, 09:10:54 pm »
 :-[ I forgot StoneSkin?
Sounds like Life would work.
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Re: Project: Quantum Generators https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25097.msg361154#msg361154
« Reply #93 on: July 05, 2011, 02:56:54 pm »
life works for me, could change the name to primordial quantum to make it sound more sciencey/biologyish.
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