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Will God nerf Dim Shield? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48918.msg1065619#msg1065619
« on: May 02, 2013, 12:23:58 am »
I think he won't because he has infinite Deflags.
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Re: Will God nerf Dim Shield? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48918.msg1065632#msg1065632
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2013, 01:15:33 am »
But what if mortals develop infinite-protect-artifact technology?

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Re: Will God nerf Dim Shield? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48918.msg1065633#msg1065633
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2013, 01:18:35 am »
I thought you would go with: No, because He's unstoppable and immortal.

But He's also infinitely wise, so a reflective shield is better than a dim shield.

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Re: Will God nerf Dim Shield? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48918.msg1065640#msg1065640
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2013, 01:42:30 am »
I thought you would go with: No, because He's unstoppable and immortal.

But He's also infinitely wise, so a reflective shield is better than a dim shield.

Suddenly PA also makes shields reflective. What do?
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Re: Will God nerf Dim Shield? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48918.msg1065642#msg1065642
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2013, 01:53:31 am »
I thought you would go with: No, because He's unstoppable and immortal.

But He's also infinitely wise, so a reflective shield is better than a dim shield.

Suddenly PA also makes shields reflective. What do?
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Re: Will God nerf Dim Shield? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48918.msg1065644#msg1065644
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2013, 02:04:10 am »
why would god nerf dim shield?
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Re: Will God nerf Dim Shield? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48918.msg1065660#msg1065660
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2013, 02:55:55 am »
God has momentum.  Ergo, he has no need to nerf any shields.

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Re: Will God nerf Dim Shield? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48918.msg1065661#msg1065661
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2013, 03:01:40 am »
Can god make a shield so broken that he himself cannot nerf?

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Re: Will God nerf Dim Shield? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48918.msg1065676#msg1065676
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2013, 03:43:56 am »
Heh, funny that furball should mention that.  I was just thinking about the original form of that question a few days ago, and I came up with an answer to that, and it applies here.

No, God cannot make a shield so broken that He Himself cannot nerf.

Assumption: That God is All-Powerful

Logic:
There are obviously two possible answers to this question:
1) God *can* make a shield so broken that He cannot nerf it
2) God *cannot* make a shield so broken that He cannot nerf it

Corollaries:

A) The corollary to point one is that a shield can exist that God cannot nerf.  This implies an *external* limitation to God's abilities, i.e. that something *outside* of God Himself can be more nerfproof than His Almighty Nerfbat.

B) The corollary to point two is that a shield cannot exist that God cannot nerf.  This implies an *internal* limitation to God's abilities, i.e. that God cannot create something stronger than Himself.

Given the assumption that God is All-Powerful, we can see that Corollary A implies that something *other than God* can resist His Mighty Nerfings.  Corollary B merely implies that God cannot create something that resists His Mighty Nerfings.  While both are clearly restrictions on God, A is clearly a greater restriction.  Therefore, as we have assumed that God is All-Powerful, He must have as few limitations is possible.  Therefore, B is true, and therefore 2 is true, and therefore God cannot make a shield that He Himself cannot nerf.  (with His Almighty Nerfbat, or with anything else)

(Slightly more humourous than the original problem, but when stripped of its silliness, it does in fact perfectly solve the age old question of whether God can make a rock that He cannot lift)

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Re: Will God nerf Dim Shield? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48918.msg1065679#msg1065679
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2013, 03:51:47 am »
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Just make a shield that causes an insta-win for 0 quanta. Where is your god know?
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Re: Will God nerf Dim Shield? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48918.msg1065687#msg1065687
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2013, 04:06:42 am »
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Re: Will God nerf Dim Shield? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48918.msg1065692#msg1065692
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2013, 04:46:58 am »
why would god nerf dim shield?
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