Best Chicken/Egg discussion evah, it took a freaking hour!!
It started when I suggested a cloaklike permanent for life (based on this (
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,33547.0.html), talk about eggs/chickens started, changed to eggs/human women to chickens/basilisks and ended with Freud
(I took all nonrelated stuff out, but I still decided to put it in a spoiler)
[2011-11-10 20:28:33] The dictator: Hmm, on the issue of life's balance, I feel cloak should belong to life (renamed, that is)
[2011-11-10 20:28:40] The dictator: it would fix life perfectly
[2011-11-10 20:28:59] The dictator: and even fit: you will need to do more effort to harm the living
[2011-11-10 20:29:32] willng3: I was thinking about that myself.
[2011-11-10 20:29:38] TheonlyrealBeef: Stealing cards from Darkness? The nerve!
[2011-11-10 20:29:42] Sappy: O.o life can hide?
[2011-11-10 20:30:12] UTAlan: ^^ Cloak => Foliage
[2011-11-10 20:30:14] Jappert: or some kind of mirror shield for creatures
[2011-11-10 20:30:19] Jappert: but different
[2011-11-10 20:30:32] Mithcairion: Camouflage
[2011-11-10 20:30:48] Higurashi: Same but different? Genius!
[2011-11-10 20:31:33] Jappert: I also think every time a cockatrice dies the opponent should get a message that says "tastes liek chicken"
[2011-11-10 20:31:40] Jappert: that would teach em
[2011-11-10 20:31:46] dracomageat: ‹@willng3› I'm the same as higs but different
[2011-11-10 20:31:52] DrunkDestroyer: ‹@TheonlyrealBeef› Because Fog shield was completely original ;P
[2011-11-10 20:33:01] TheonlyrealBeef: Well I don't know which came first, F(r)og or Du(s/c)k.
[2011-11-10 20:33:35] Jenkar: ‹@TheonlyrealBeef› Egg
[2011-11-10 20:34:08] dracomageat: ‹@Jenkar› obviously
[2011-11-10 20:34:23] UTAlan: Foliage => Middle row of creatures are "cloaked", top and bottom rows are visible, but protected. Idea being that foliage thins out on the edges.
[2011-11-10 20:34:47] hainkarga: hello chat
[2011-11-10 20:34:50] The dictator: ‹@UTAlan› you totally need to submit that
[2011-11-10 20:35:09] dracomageat: ‹@UTAlan› ditch the second part IMO
[2011-11-10 20:35:44] Jenkar: People that won't thumb up eggtal are
[2011-11-10 20:35:54] RavingRabbid: People are ragers.
[2011-11-10 20:36:04] dracomageat: ‹@Jenkar› from an evolutionary standpoint, chicken before egg would make sense
[2011-11-10 20:36:16] dracomageat: ‹@Jenkar› I'd thumbs up it
[2011-11-10 20:37:43] TheonlyrealBeef: From an evolutionary perspective? Chickens aren't the first nor only animals to lay eggs
[2011-11-10 20:38:35] willng3: willng3 came before both the chicken and the egg. There, I have now answered one of the great questions that puzzles the universe.
[2011-11-10 20:38:42] dracomageat: ‹@TheonlyrealBeef› even assuming "egg" to mean "chicken egg", the chicken couldn't come first
[2011-11-10 20:39:24] TheonlyrealBeef: ‹@willng3› "chicken, I am your father!"
[2011-11-10 20:39:48] The Mormegil: ‹@willng3› bravo. Darwin might want that prize too, though.
[2011-11-10 20:40:44] dracomageat: ‹@TheonlyrealBeef› no matter where you draw the evolutionary line of what does and doesn't count as a chicken, the first creature to lay a chicken egg could not have been a chicken
[2011-11-10 20:41:41] hainkarga: can we say all chickens came after an egg, but not all eggs came after a chicken ?
[2011-11-10 20:41:43] TheonlyrealBeef: Unless chickens can travel through time that is.
[2011-11-10 20:42:25] hainkarga: but that chicken would still have come after an egg, we don't know time dimension is linear
[2011-11-10 20:43:16] dracomageat: ‹@hainkarga› good point. If time is cyclical then the true answer is simply "both"
[2011-11-10 20:43:21] TheonlyrealBeef: Maybe it laid it's own Egg to produce a rupture in the time-space continuum. Maybe not.
[2011-11-10 20:43:30] willng3: I threw an egg at a chicken. They both crossed the finish line at the same time.
[2011-11-10 20:43:46] Malebolgia: Are we saying egg or chicken philosophies?
[2011-11-10 20:43:55] Malebolgia: It was the egg.
[2011-11-10 20:44:11] dracomageat: ‹@Malebolgia› we said thatalready
[2011-11-10 20:44:13] willng3: It was the fish!
[2011-11-10 20:44:20] dracomageat: ‹@Malebolgia› we're now rguing over why
[2011-11-10 20:44:22] Malebolgia: The egg was a mutation from the chicken's ancestors and spawned the first common chicken you find today.
[2011-11-10 20:45:04] dracomageat: ‹@Malebolgia› I said that too, albeit in a different way
[2011-11-10 20:45:17] RavingRabbid: Neither egg or chicken came first.
[2011-11-10 20:45:46] dracomageat: ‹@RavingRabbid› that doesn't seem like a viable theory
[2011-11-10 20:45:51] Sappy: they don't even exist
[2011-11-10 20:45:52] Malebolgia: Plus... Eggs were from reptiles as they evolved into birds, including chickens.
[2011-11-10 20:45:58] dracomageat: ‹@RavingRabbid› I prefered the both came first theory
[2011-11-10 20:46:11] hainkarga: the prime ancestor of chickens came from an egg, which was not a chicken egg. then some portion of the all eggs in the universe came from chickens.
[2011-11-10 20:46:14] willng3: It's true. Chickens and eggs are imaginary.
[2011-11-10 20:46:33] willng3: However, if you square either of them they become real.
[2011-11-10 20:46:38] Malebolgia: The egg carried the mutation, so the first mutation that would classify a chicken as a unique animal would have come first.
[2011-11-10 20:46:38] RavingRabbid: I did.
[2011-11-10 20:46:47] dracomageat: ‹@Malebolgia› regardless of here you draw that evolutionary line, the first egg to hatch a chicken was not laid by a chicken
[2011-11-10 20:46:49] willng3: But by doing so they also become quite negative.
[2011-11-10 20:47:07] Malebolgia: ‹@dracomageat› But it was a chicken egg nonetheless.
[2011-11-10 20:47:09] hainkarga: then again, human females also lay eggs, just not that visible
[2011-11-10 20:47:11] dracomageat: ‹@willng3› lol, that's awesome!
[2011-11-10 20:47:25] dracomageat: ‹@Malebolgia› exactly my point
[2011-11-10 20:47:34] The Mormegil: ‹@willng3› wasn't it the other way 'round?
[2011-11-10 20:47:51] willng3: Nooooo
[2011-11-10 20:48:13] dracomageat: ‹@hainkarga› I would argue that "laying" involves said egg leaving the body
[2011-11-10 20:48:22] DrunkDestroyer: \Ugh, need break. will be back for new round
[2011-11-10 20:48:36] hainkarga: it does leave the body
[2011-11-10 20:48:59] DrunkDestroyer: Everybody lose to my arena deck, 3 more wins and it catches up to UTAlan
[2011-11-10 20:49:00] Malebolgia: ‹@hainkarga› Not until after it is developed properly.
[2011-11-10 20:49:09] dracomageat: ‹@hainkarga› not as an egg
[2011-11-10 20:49:17] Malebolgia: Which isn't "laying", but giving birth.
[2011-11-10 20:49:55] hainkarga: nope, it does come out of body no matter if it is combined with a sperm or not
[2011-11-10 20:50:41] UTAlan: ‹@DrunkDestroyer› It already caught up. I just lost a game.
[2011-11-10 20:50:46] Malebolgia: ‹@hainkarga› But that isn't laying it, that is disposing of it.
[2011-11-10 20:51:07] dracomageat: ‹@hainkarga› fine, you can technically lay an egg if your female but it certainly won't hatch a chicken
[2011-11-10 20:51:25] hainkarga: its the same action really, what you say only defines the intend of the owner
[2011-11-10 20:51:45] Malebolgia: Perhaps.
[2011-11-10 20:51:56] Malebolgia: Okay, I might actually agree on that.
[2011-11-10 20:52:13] Jocko: Actually, isn't it dead when it leaves the body?
[2011-11-10 20:52:19] The Mormegil: ‹@willng3› actually, you are right, I somehow read that as square root. :/
[2011-11-10 20:52:27] Jocko: So its not the same
[2011-11-10 20:52:27] willng3: Lol.
[2011-11-10 20:52:50] dracomageat: ‹@Jocko› so? non-fertilized chicken eggs are still layed
[2011-11-10 20:52:53] hainkarga: ‹@Jocko› it doesn't change the fact that it is an egg
[2011-11-10 20:53:42] dracomageat: there is no real distinction between an unfertilized chicken egg and that of a human
[2011-11-10 20:53:46] The dictator: Guys, this is the best discussion on the egg/chicken problem I have ever seen
[2011-11-10 20:53:59] dracomageat: wait, why am I using zeds?
[2011-11-10 20:54:03] hainkarga: ‹@Jocko› so women lay eggs around in a very annoying mood
[2011-11-10 20:54:04] NikaZaslavsky: what did I come here for?
[2011-11-10 20:54:32] TheonlyrealBeef: ‹@NikaZaslavsky› Eggs
[2011-11-10 20:54:34] NikaZaslavsky: to listen to some discussion about eggs?
[2011-11-10 20:54:39] dracomageat: ‹@The dictator› while that may be true, I'm not entirely sure why human reproduction needed to be brought in...
[2011-11-10 20:54:42] hainkarga: ‹@NikaZaslavsky› to expand your horizon of knowledge about miracle of eggs
[2011-11-10 20:54:43] Jocko: You're correct.
[2011-11-10 20:54:46] dracomageat: ‹@hainkarga› so do chickens
[2011-11-10 20:55:07] NikaZaslavsky: awesome, someone please explain this.
[2011-11-10 20:55:08] Jocko: ‹@The dictator› Lol probably
[2011-11-10 20:55:29] dracomageat: ‹@hainkarga› bear eggs are a miracle cure for anything from a cold to cancer to missing limbs
[2011-11-10 20:55:37] Jocko: I suddenly feel the urge to play eggtal or eggtosis
[2011-11-10 20:55:47] DeathAngelx: imgur.com/I790s - u can tell im proud because i even cropped it >;3
[2011-11-10 20:56:01] Jocko: If you watch Miracle's art closely you'll see that is an egg.
[2011-11-10 20:56:18] hainkarga: we can ask if women come out eggs or eggs come out from women first
[2011-11-10 20:56:51] hainkarga: so chicken is irrelevant, just another example of the true question
[2011-11-10 20:56:56] willng3: I think we can just settle on the fact that women come.
[2011-11-10 20:57:00] hainkarga: we should focus on the eggs
[2011-11-10 20:57:03] dracomageat: ‹@hainkarga› it depends, obviously
[2011-11-10 20:57:19] 9270984: hey chat
[2011-11-10 20:57:24] hainkarga: questiojn is, do eggs come ? and why would they ?
[2011-11-10 20:57:30] Higurashi: I can live with that.
[2011-11-10 20:57:52] dracomageat: ‹@hainkarga› though the first human egg would still come before the first human female so that question remains unchanged
[2011-11-10 20:58:16] dracomageat: ‹@Jocko› I'm going to look at that now
[2011-11-10 20:58:22] hainkarga: the egg is the only constant, what comes out of it may vary
[2011-11-10 20:58:32] dracomageat: ‹@Jocko› then demand that it be changed to show a bear
[2011-11-10 20:58:45] hainkarga: do stuff come out of eggs first or does eggs come out of stuff ?
[2011-11-10 20:58:45] dracomageat: ‹@hainkarga› "may contain nuts"?
[2011-11-10 20:59:15] Jocko: ‹@hainkarga› Eggs came out of stuff.
[2011-11-10 20:59:19] dracomageat: ‹@hainkarga› assuming "stuff" is a defined species of living thing, the egg will have come first
[2011-11-10 20:59:32] Sappy: ok
[2011-11-10 20:59:36] Jocko: Egg placing stuff evolved from other life forms
[2011-11-10 20:59:41] Sappy: just go ask a dumb chicken what came first -_-
[2011-11-10 20:59:58] dracomageat: but, if we assume "stuff" to just refer to anything living, "stuff" must have come first
[2011-11-10 21:00:03] Jocko: ‹@Sappy› You try that.
[2011-11-10 21:00:07] hainkarga: not necessarily living things, there are artificial eggs, like kinder chocolate eggs. stuff come out of it also
[2011-11-10 21:00:14] willng3: She'll say the rooster.
[2011-11-10 21:00:24] dracomageat: ‹@Sappy› ask a clever chicken, the dumb ones can't even work out why they crossed the road...
[2011-11-10 21:00:35] 9270984: nobody says hi to me
[2011-11-10 21:00:40] dracomageat: ‹@hainkarga› lol, awesome
[2011-11-10 21:00:45] Jocko: What came first, the kinder or the toy?
[2011-11-10 21:00:55] Jocko: ‹@9270984› Sorry, eggs. Hi
[2011-11-10 21:00:58] dracomageat: ‹@9270984› sorry, I was busy egging on the discussion
[2011-11-10 21:01:20] 9270984: ‹@Jocko› hi!
[2011-11-10 21:01:28] 9270984: ‹@dracomageat› no, just no.
[2011-11-10 21:01:29] dracomageat: ‹@Jocko› the toy came first, then they coated it in chocolate
[2011-11-10 21:01:37] dracomageat: ‹@9270984› sorry
[2011-11-10 21:01:56] dracomageat: ‹@Jocko› from a manufacturing standpoint, that should be obvious
[2011-11-10 21:02:32] Jocko: But chocolate eggs are magical
[2011-11-10 21:02:40] dracomageat: brb
[2011-11-10 21:02:49] hainkarga: all eggs are magical
[2011-11-10 21:02:58] dracomageat: ‹@Jocko› not as magical as surprise gifts
[2011-11-10 21:03:05] hainkarga: you never know what will come out of a suspicious egg
[2011-11-10 21:03:15] dracomageat: except bear eggs, they're super magical
[2011-11-10 21:03:34] hainkarga: bears are mammals, aka they do produce eggs
[2011-11-10 21:03:52] hainkarga: actually, i wonder what doesn't produce eggs at all
[2011-11-10 21:04:10] hainkarga: one cell organisms i guess, they do mitosis
[2011-11-10 21:04:33] Sappy: you dont
[2011-11-10 21:05:28] dracomageat: ‹@Sappy› you know, all men were technically women once so maybe he does...
[2011-11-10 21:05:30] hainkarga: as in species, i don't produce eggs but my species does.
[2011-11-10 21:05:54] hainkarga: cocks also dont lay eggs, but you don't blame their species for that
[2011-11-10 21:05:59] dracomageat: ‹@hainkarga› are you sure you don't?
[2011-11-10 21:06:18] dracomageat: ‹@hainkarga› cockatrices lay eggs...
[2011-11-10 21:06:28] hainkarga: i hope i'm sure
[2011-11-10 21:06:31] dracomageat: basalisks don't though
[2011-11-10 21:06:47] dracomageat: they hatch from chicken eggs
[2011-11-10 21:06:58] dracomageat: which brings up the next point
[2011-11-10 21:07:14] dracomageat: which came first, the chicken or the basalisk?
[2011-11-10 21:07:37] Acsabi44: chicken
[2011-11-10 21:08:00] Jocko: Definetly chicken.
[2011-11-10 21:08:15] willng3: Well assuming that Harry Potter is the chicken, the basilisk.
[2011-11-10 21:08:35] hainkarga: chicken, which came from an egg tho
[2011-11-10 21:08:50] Jocko: Harry Potter lays eggs.
[2011-11-10 21:09:08] willng3: Golden eggs.
[2011-11-10 21:09:20] dracomageat: since the chicken egg came before the chicken, a cursory glance would suggest that either could have come first
[2011-11-10 21:09:51] dracomageat: but then, once we factor in the fact that basalisks can only hatch from chicken eggs
[2011-11-10 21:10:28] Acsabi44: basilisks only hatch from chicken eggs since men first imagined the concept of basilisk
[2011-11-10 21:10:30] dracomageat: and an egg is only a chicken egg if it either came from a chicken or hatched into a chicken
[2011-11-10 21:10:43] Acsabi44: way after the chicken has evolved
[2011-11-10 21:11:09] UTAlan: ‹@dracomageat› ‹@The dictator› elementscommunity.com/forum/index.php/topic,33562.html (
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,33562.html)
[2011-11-10 21:11:31] Jocko: What if the first egg that would hatch into the first chicken got struck by a ray of magic and turned into a basilisk?
[2011-11-10 21:11:39] dracomageat: the first chicken egg would not have been a chicken egg had it become a basalisk, thus meaning the basalisk couldn't have hatched, thus mening it was a chicken gg, thus meaningit could have done and so on
[2011-11-10 21:11:46] Acsabi44: I am not aware of such ray
[2011-11-10 21:12:13] The dictator: Ah, nice UTAlan
[2011-11-10 21:12:20] Acsabi44: (sorry, as a professional biologist, I just cannot take theese kinds of discussions lightly:) )
[2011-11-10 21:12:22] hainkarga: ‹@Jocko› we know that didn't happen, otherwise there wouldn't be any chickens
[2011-11-10 21:12:26] RavingRabbid: And if it got struck by Ray Charles, not being aware of it being there?
[2011-11-10 21:12:33] The dictator: Now, all lobby to get than in the game, to make willng happy again
[2011-11-10 21:12:34] dracomageat: thus, were the first ever chicken egg stuck under a toad for 14 days and nights, it would have caused an unsolvable paradox
[2011-11-10 21:12:44] DeathAngelx: bai chat
[2011-11-10 21:12:54] dracomageat: but chances are there weren't ny toads back then so...
[2011-11-10 21:13:23] The dictator: ‹@Acsabi44› Don't worry, they have been discussing it for about 45 minutes
[2011-11-10 21:13:49] hainkarga: ‹@Acsabi44› as a biologist, if you are taking chicken-egg dilemma seriously then i question your powers of scientific methodology
[2011-11-10 21:14:32] Jocko: What if the magical ray made it hatch into both a chicken and a basilisk, at the exact same time?
[2011-11-10 21:15:18] dracomageat: ‹@Jocko› that is impossible
[2011-11-10 21:15:25] Acsabi44: ‹@hainkarga› no, I was taking the basilisk- egg dilemma srsly
[2011-11-10 21:15:59] RavingRabbid: ‹@Jocko› Ray Charles was magical, but he would still destroy the egg.
[2011-11-10 21:16:05] hainkarga: oh sorry then, yes it is a serious problem requiring a professional opinion
[2011-11-10 21:16:10] dracomageat: ‹@Jocko› while a double-yolker would be a viable solution to the paradox, the magic ray could not create a basilisk
[2011-11-10 21:16:24] dracomageat: ‹@hainkarga› lol
[2011-11-10 21:16:46] dracomageat: basilisks have two very special features
[2011-11-10 21:17:20] dracomageat: one, as a magical creature, they are impervious to most other magic and all forms of transformative magic
[2011-11-10 21:17:22] Jocko: I know for sure Ray Charles had a basilisk breeding company.
[2011-11-10 21:17:28] 9270984: misplays ftl
[2011-11-10 21:17:58] dracomageat: and two, they cannot hatch from an egg that has not sat under a toad for atleast 2 full weeks
[2011-11-10 21:18:00] hainkarga: haha
[2011-11-10 21:18:04] dracomageat: or was it four?
[2011-11-10 21:18:12] Jocko: So i could imagine him hitting chicken eggs .
[2011-11-10 21:18:16] dracomageat: ‹@Jocko› obviously he was a toad...
[2011-11-10 21:18:40] hainkarga: many years ago, ozzy ozbourne took care of egg-chicken problem on the stage
[2011-11-10 21:18:42] dracomageat: man I love chat
[2011-11-10 21:18:55] dracomageat: ‹@hainkarga› link please
[2011-11-10 21:19:01] 9270984: ‹@hainkarga› how?
[2011-11-10 21:19:14] Jocko: Took care of egg-chicken problem, bat-batman problem...
[2011-11-10 21:20:05] hainkarga: are you implying batman came from bats ?
[2011-11-10 21:20:09] Avenger: hello chat
[2011-11-10 21:20:19] dracomageat: ‹@Jocko› obviously batman could not exist before his namesake creature
[2011-11-10 21:20:21] hainkarga: and bats come out of batman somehow ?
[2011-11-10 21:20:38] Jocko: Definetly.
[2011-11-10 21:20:47] dracomageat: ‹@hainkarga› his cape is full of them
[2011-11-10 21:20:53] Jocko: Hello Avenger.
[2011-11-10 21:21:34] dracomageat: ‹@hainkarga› tinyurl.com/ckbrrp6 (
http://tinyurl.com/ckbrrp6)
[2011-11-10 21:22:27] hainkarga: is that an egg he is holding ?
[2011-11-10 21:22:27] Jocko: ‹@dracomageat› That's Link, not Batman.
[2011-11-10 21:22:33] Acsabi44: hai, Avenger
[2011-11-10 21:22:33] Jocko: Altough they are kind of related.
[2011-11-10 21:22:55] hainkarga: this picture reminds me, pokemon also come out of eggs
[2011-11-10 21:23:40] Jocko: What came first, the egg or the pokemon?
[2011-11-10 21:23:44] dracomageat: ‹@Jocko› I was asking for a link and he wouldn't give me one...
[2011-11-10 21:24:05] dracomageat: ‹@Jocko› wait, they're related?
[2011-11-10 21:26:01] hainkarga: can't give you a link, i was refering to a urban legend in my childhood; about ozzy osbourne smashing a bunch of little chicks on the stage
[2011-11-10 21:26:23] hainkarga: just to look cool
[2011-11-10 21:27:04] hainkarga: there wasn't a youtube or internet whatsoever, in those yours. so we just had to accept it
[2011-11-10 21:27:10] Jenkar: ‹@Jocko› togepi.
[2011-11-10 21:27:13] hainkarga: *those years*
[2011-11-10 21:27:20] dracomageat: ok
[2011-11-10 21:27:39] dracomageat: ‹@Jenkar› the egg still came before togepi
[2011-11-10 21:28:03] dracomageat: ‹@Jenkar› togepi is weird because it's an egg that hatches from an egg...
[2011-11-10 21:28:12] hainkarga: do scorpions come out of eggs ?
[2011-11-10 21:28:16] dracomageat: ‹@makapse› it still deals damage so of course it does
[2011-11-10 21:28:21] dracomageat: ‹@hainkarga› yes
[2011-11-10 21:28:35] dracomageat: ‹@hainkarga› would you really want to give live birth to one?
[2011-11-10 21:28:43] hainkarga: if i was a scorpion i would refuse to come out of an egg
[2011-11-10 21:29:13] dracomageat: ‹@hainkarga› then you'd starve and die without ever hatching...
[2011-11-10 21:30:12] hainkarga: nah the time realise there was an egg issue, i would come directly out of mother scorpions stomach
[2011-11-10 21:30:51] dracomageat: ‹@hainkarga› ok...
[2011-11-10 21:31:04] dracomageat: ‹@hainkarga› you really have parent issues don't you?
[2011-11-10 21:31:21] dracomageat: ‹@hainkarga› or it could just be egg issues I guess...
[2011-11-10 21:31:28] hainkarga: who doesn't
[2011-11-10 21:32:38] dracomageat: I don't...
[2011-11-10 21:32:54] hainkarga: as far as you know it
[2011-11-10 21:33:26] Malebolgia: Not everyone has parent issues.
[2011-11-10 21:33:35] Sappy: i'm sure humans is the problem
[2011-11-10 21:33:40] hainkarga: if you trust freud, everything is a parent or sex issue and you are aware of none of it :p
[2011-11-10 21:33:47] Malebolgia: Aside from the occasional musunderstandings of course, which are natural.
[2011-11-10 21:34:02] RavingRabbid: ‹@hainkarga› Mostly at the same time.
