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Re: Powerfully Impractical https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41014.msg507832#msg507832
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2012, 05:05:13 am »
Sort of on topic and actually a problem. If you can design a deck that actually has this concept executed very smoothly, you will get some rep.
Spoiler for magical combo of 24 damage from one creature:
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Re: Powerfully Impractical https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41014.msg507833#msg507833
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2012, 05:15:06 am »
Sort of on topic and actually a problem. If you can design a deck that actually has this concept executed very smoothly, you will get some rep.
Spoiler for magical combo of 24 damage from one creature:
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Points for the mono-deck idea. +rep for yew.
I never posted an actual deck thread for this, but I think I posted the deck in a thread somewhere. It was during the time I was messing around with SoFrepi.

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Re: Powerfully Impractical https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41014.msg507834#msg507834
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2012, 05:16:24 am »
Still, it's not impractical. 6 :life quanta and 4 cards yield 24 possible damage per turn. I'm impressed.
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Re: Powerfully Impractical https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41014.msg507835#msg507835
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2012, 05:18:52 am »
Still, it's not impractical. 6 :life quanta and 4 cards yield 24 possible damage per turn. I'm impressed.
I'm trying really hard to find the post where I made it but it seems when you have so many posts, it's quite hard :P

Yes, quanta wise, this can be run nearly pillarless if you wanted, with nova powering everything, but the impractical part is that it requires a five card combo. (Nova+bow+AW+SoFre+epi), and even then, short bows are very fragile, so a single lightning or shockwave and your 5 card combo (20% of your deck!) is gone down the drain. Combine bad hands with an average speed and you get a really impractical deck.

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Re: Powerfully Impractical https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41014.msg507840#msg507840
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2012, 05:44:12 am »
Yes, quanta wise, this can be run nearly pillarless if you wanted, with nova powering everything, but the impractical part is that it requires a five card combo. (Nova+bow+AW+SoFre+epi), and even then, short bows are very fragile, so a single lightning or shockwave and your 5 card combo (20% of your deck!) is gone down the drain. Combine bad hands with an average speed and you get a really impractical deck.
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4tb 4tb 4tb 4tb 4tb 4tb 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 6s6 6s6 6s6 6s6 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7an 7an 7an 7an 7an 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2 8pr

Unoptimized, but the concept is there.
Very fast killer when you get the right cards, otherwise it is crap. May work as an AI3 farmer, not much else.
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Re: Powerfully Impractical https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41014.msg507843#msg507843
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2012, 06:10:10 am »
Yes, quanta wise, this can be run nearly pillarless if you wanted, with nova powering everything, but the impractical part is that it requires a five card combo. (Nova+bow+AW+SoFre+epi), and even then, short bows are very fragile, so a single lightning or shockwave and your 5 card combo (20% of your deck!) is gone down the drain. Combine bad hands with an average speed and you get a really impractical deck.
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I was going to say pretty much the same.
I have been playing around in the trainer with this:
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4tb 4tb 4tb 4tb 4tb 4tb 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 6s6 6s6 6s6 6s6 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7an 7an 7an 7an 7an 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2 8pr

Unoptimized, but the concept is there.
Very fast killer when you get the right cards, otherwise it is crap. May work as an AI3 farmer, not much else.
I used a 6 nova variant with 5 SoFre iirc. 3-4 towers should be enough to support 5 or 6 epis.

Actually the entire concept of SoFrepi is "awesome but impractical". Check out my SoFrepi decks if you get the chance :P

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Re: Powerfully Impractical https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41014.msg507845#msg507845
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2012, 06:14:58 am »
Suggestion: Ditch the short bows one. o.o
I tried with many variations and none gets more than 30% win rate against AI3 in the simulator (I don't see how the AI can misplay it)
better go adrenastaves, far more efficient. ::)
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Re: Powerfully Impractical https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41014.msg507927#msg507927
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2012, 12:41:43 pm »
Actually that should work better with longbows.
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Re: Powerfully Impractical https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41014.msg507981#msg507981
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2012, 02:51:13 pm »
Actually that should work better with longbows.
Shortbow+epi=4+4+4+4=16
Shortbow+SoFre+epi=6+6+6+6=24

Longbow+epi=7+5+3=15
Longbow+SoFre+epi=11+8+5=24

Nope. Longbow is affected by SoFre less and it's much worse without SoFre.

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Re: Powerfully Impractical https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41014.msg508138#msg508138
« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2012, 11:03:19 pm »
Tossing out some cards for Precog might actually speed up the deck.
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Re: Powerfully Impractical https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41014.msg508158#msg508158
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2012, 12:32:47 am »
Tossing out some cards for Precog might actually speed up the deck.
i tought the same, 1 shortbow can be removed for sure as well 1 animate weapon, but to be effective you gotta have at least 3 prec.
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Re: Powerfully Impractical https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41014.msg508185#msg508185
« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2012, 02:22:46 am »
Actually that should work better with longbows.
Shortbow+epi=4+4+4+4=16
Shortbow+SoFre+epi=6+6+6+6=24

Longbow+epi=7+5+3=15
Longbow+SoFre+epi=11+8+5=24

Nope. Longbow is affected by SoFre less and it's much worse without SoFre.

Epi + 4 attack is not 4 + 4 + 4 + 4 actually.

Shortbow+epi=4+3+2=9
Shortbow+SoFre+epi=6+5+3=14

Longbow+epi=7+5+3=15
Longbow+SoFre+epi=11+8+5=24



W/o Air Mark
Shortbow+epi=3+3+3+3=12
Shortbow+epi+SoFre=5+5+5+5=20

Longbow+epi=6+4+2=12
Longbow+SoFre+epi=9+6+3=18

 

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