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[moomoose]

i didnt say give everyone, i said give me.  it would lighten the load a bit.

potato is a valid new element, therefore even humor can be valid submissions.

[johannhowitzer]

in the example that the issue is a capitalized D in causing the loss of submission, it is completely ludicrous for that to cause a rejection, move it to level 1 under the condition that the fix will be made there afterwards.

As I explained, if we did that with everyone, people would be expecting us to move very sloppy work into the Crucible, and it wouldn't ever get fixed.  The burden would be placed on the Curators.

there are now like 12 of you doing the work that kael and/or kuro used to do solo.  if its really an issue, just give me the power to move my own cards to level 1.

Mod powers cannot be granted that specifically - we (by which I mean Scaredgirl) would have to give you the power to move any topic in the CIA section.  That's not going to happen.

Also, comparing the workload today to the workload back when Kael was in charge isn't going to help you - the community has grown, and updating a Crucible poll with 27 cards takes about eight times as long as updating a Crucible poll with 19 cards.

i didnt say give everyone, i said give me.  it would lighten the load a bit.

potato is a valid new element, therefore even humor can be valid submissions.

We are not in the habit of playing favorites and giving certain people privileges over others.  The rule applies to everyone in the interest of fairness.  If you don't like it, complain to the vast number of people who would abuse the system if we relaxed the rules - not those of us who do the work.

If this is accepted into the Crucible, it would wind up in the "Para-Elemental" section and would not be eligible for the Forge.

[moomoose]

it takes more work for you to make a post in response to a thread writing out the complete sentence in regards to what needs to be fixed than it does to modify a post and decapitalize a D.  not to mention ive seen a mod do an edit in the recent past in order to move it to the crucible.

and my ability to make edits to the CIA forum posts is no less viable than your ability, you are just opting to maintain control over my submissions, your choice. (and by you i mean SG, or whoever, frak it.)

[Pineapple]

it takes more work for you to make a post in response to a thread writing out the complete sentence in regards to what needs to be fixed than it does to modify a post and decapitalize a D.  not to mention ive seen a mod do an edit in the recent past in order to move it to the crucible.

It takes more time for me to complain about how long it takes to grind for 6 unupped and 6 upped of every non-rare, does that mean grinding takes less time?
You are obviously unsatisfied with the current system, which obviously isn't a good thing, so he's trying to defend said system. The implementation of this system doesn't warrant him defending it, so the time it takes for him to defend it shouldn't have anything to do with the effectiveness of said system.
Was the "edit" something like placing spaces between the upped and unupped names in the thread name?

I personally agree with moomoose, incorrectly formatted submissions should not be counted as one of the two cards per week, nor should there be delays placed on when the card can be resubmitted. I understand that you guys have a very high workload now, but that only means you should hire more curators. The biggest problem of CIA, that the crucible will become overcrowded, does not justify in forcing a user to submit one less card idea than other users.

[johannhowitzer]

it takes more work for you to make a post in response to a thread writing out the complete sentence in regards to what needs to be fixed than it does to modify a post and decapitalize a D.

Yes, it does.  However, it is significantly less than the amount of work that would be added if we were asked by everyone to perform these minor corrections for them - which has been my point for the last two posts, and which you have ignored.  I will not enforce a double standard.

not to mention ive seen a mod do an edit in the recent past in order to move it to the crucible.

That was that mod's decision, not mine.  I enforce the rules, I do not make them.

and my ability to make edits to the CIA forum posts is no less viable than your ability,

I don't pretend to be superior to anyone, but as I already said, we do not play favorites, and you are not a Curator.  If you wish to become a Curator, take that up with Scaredgirl, not me.

you are just opting to maintain control over my submissions, your choice. (and by you i mean SG, or whoever, frak it.)

I am "opting" to enforce the rules.  That is my job, if I chose otherwise I should be defrocked as Curator.  I suppose I should bend the rules for everyone who attacks me personally and complains ad nauseum about a simple inconvenience?

The whole point of this diatribe has been that we should not bend the rules every time someone complains about something.  Everyone thinks their case should be the exception - and abuse me however much you like, my decision is not going to change.  If you don't like it, don't participate in the CIA section of the forums.

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I personally agree with moomoose, incorrectly formatted submissions should not be counted as one of the two cards per week, nor should there be delays placed on when the card can be resubmitted.

Where do we draw the line, though?  Reviewing Crucible candidates is probably the most time-consuming task we face right now, and if every other card has to be reviewed twice, that's a lot of extra work.

The biggest problem of CIA, that the crucible will become overcrowded, does not justify in forcing a user to submit one less card idea than other users.

I already went over the most elegant solution to this problem: card idea creators need to check their work.  I do it myself whenever I submit something.  Had moomoose glanced over his idea post before submitting, he would almost certainly have noticed the " " he needed was instead a " :Death".  He is asking us to doublecheck for him in the future; that is his job.

If you want to discuss this issue further, please start a topic in the discussion forum.

[Hyroen]

Ok. I've got a lot of questions, and not so much about the "obscenity".

1) What does Chocolate Soft Serve Ice Cream quanta represent in the elemental world?
2) How would one generate ?
3) If you haven't already, create a thread for the Chocolate Soft Serve Ice cream pseudoquanta/pseudoelement. To allow this card to enter the Crucible I believe 10 people must like your pseudoelement idea for the card to move to the Pseudoelement Crucible.
4) What of interest does this provide the complete card pool in Elements the Game?
And also, personally I don't believe this card idea should be in the Card Ideas and Art. This card literally bleeds humour and while its humour of a kind I don't like, it's humour nonetheless, at least for some.

If I were a Moderator, I would move this to Humor without discussion. To sugarcoat a jalapeño doesn't make it less of a jalapeño.

moomoose, I admire your intelligence and wit. You are a talented person but this thread just seems disrespectful to not only the Card Ideas and Art board, but yourself. I hope you either turn this into a serious submission with a name more suited for Elements the Game or remove the idea outright.

Thanks.

[moomoose]

People can literally come in here with a 15th element called "Potato", and it would qualify just as much as the cards that require 'Mirror' and 'Void' quanta.

[Xenocidius]

I believe moomoose is satirizing the current system by submitting this, and watching the curators be forced to move it to the Crucible.

[moomoose]

please move this back to CIA. it is a valid psuedo element.

[Scaredgirl]

  is too short to read all the posts in this topic but the card is clearly humor which is why I moved it here.

In the future, use Card Ideas and Art section for serious submissions only. Everything else goes to either Off-topic or Humor. If you have ideas on how to better run the Card Idea section, use the Forum Suggestions and Feedback section.

[moomoose]

While I agree that the PQ thread is useful, this thread extends far beyond the Pseudo Quanta ideas that the CCC team (and others) have developed. People can literally come in here with a 15th element called "Potato", and it would qualify just as much as the cards that require 'Mirror' and 'Void' quanta.

[ZephyrPhantom]

While I agree that the PQ thread is useful, this thread extends far beyond the Pseudo Quanta ideas that the CCC team (and others) have developed. People can literally come in here with a 15th element called "Potato", and it would qualify just as much as the cards that require 'Mirror' and 'Void' quanta.

You're trying to use this example as a loophole. Based on a few reactions to example it would seem Kuro was half-joking when he made it up.

As a result :

I believe moomoose is satirizing the current system by submitting this, and watching the curators be forced to move it to the Crucible.

Seconded.
I wonder what the point of this when the whole 'New Element' issue has been settled already. As SG has stated, you should probably use the Forum Suggestions and Feedback section if you're put off about something from the current Crucible System rather than make a submission and have people scratch their heads over what point you're trying to make.

As stated before, there are some things you are responsible for and you should clearly be able to determine whether the content you submit is appropriate or not. If there's something you dislike but you don't understand why it was placed, you would probably be better off sending the staff member of that section a PM to ask why that rule is in place.

If you have a valid response to my argument, then consider it before you post. If you're going to just repeat the same thing for the 4th time, I suggest you head over to Forum Suggestions and Feedback section and directly state what your problem is with the current Crucible system, or take it to PMs. Thank you.