Oracle : Hecate

[ColorlessGreen]

As others said before, the AM/Quint deck doesn't work well anymore because the AI spreads rage potions out. The gravity shield rainbow that dragtom posted works better.

I was assuming the suggested deck was the single deck in the OP (TU/antimatter). The deck in the OP does work, but it's not one of the higher win rate prediction decks out there. On the plus side, when it loses, it loses fast. It's (in my experience) net profitable, but it certainly does fail pretty easily.

[Phestus]

Typical 'change the ai so the unupped deck doesnt work for new players' crap.  I get so sick of these.  Have now lost with AM and the rainbow versions back to back in 2 days.

Getting to where I hate this game.  I only do 1 fight a day now, and 99% of the time, even with researching intently, it is a loss.  The developer changes the ai in the FG fights to make it smarter, and hinders the development of every new player afterward.

Might as well take the oracle/FG portion out of the game for anyone under level 30, it is a HUGE hindrance on new players having to buy the cards to try and beat them, only to lose over and over and over.

[eaglgenes101]

Typical 'change the ai so the unupped deck doesnt work for new players' crap.  I get so sick of these.  Have now lost with AM and the rainbow versions back to back in 2 days.

Getting to where I hate this game.  I only do 1 fight a day now, and 99% of the time, even with researching intently, it is a loss.  The developer changes the ai in the FG fights to make it smarter, and hinders the development of every new player afterward.

Might as well take the oracle/FG portion out of the game for anyone under level 30, it is a HUGE hindrance on new players having to buy the cards to try and beat them, only to lose over and over and over.

Try some battles in the trainer and you'll see you've overestimated your loss rate.

[arktos22]

the deck in the op suffers from the ai splitting its rage elixers...
why not abuse that fact?

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If you can get an gravity shield up, this deck works great.
6 PA because you don't want any permanent to get stolen.
a 2nd eternity instead of a rt because you may rewind a doll if it gets low with liquid shadow (especially if it is enraged as well).

This deck is awesome.  It works mostly unupped too, I used it with only half of the pillars and 2 shards upped.  I would guess the most important thing to up, if anything, is the pillars since it needs mana quickly, but any ups certainly help.  Also, heed the warning not to let your permanents get stolen!  I accidentally let a shard get stolen and lost because of it.  Would have won though otherwise.  I highly recommend this deck.

[TribalTrouble]

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Worked to perfection. Don't ask about the odd ups, I don't remember why I have only 4 TU and 2 upped quints either (:

Note: Only 5 Nymphs since I thought I wouldn't be able to spend enough  to summon all 6. I was 100% correct.

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Putting in a second AM turned to be a good choice. Used one on a 14-attack Doll early and it held until I drew my first Quint in the second half of my deck. Finished with EM, and one card :3

Sorry for the late reply, but that's great! I'm glad it worked about as well as it has for me, although the one card finish is a little close for comfort lol.

[farscape]

Typical 'change the ai so the unupped deck doesnt work for new players' crap.  I get so sick of these.  Have now lost with AM and the rainbow versions back to back in 2 days.

Getting to where I hate this game.  I only do 1 fight a day now, and 99% of the time, even with researching intently, it is a loss.  The developer changes the ai in the FG fights to make it smarter, and hinders the development of every new player afterward.

Might as well take the oracle/FG portion out of the game for anyone under level 30, it is a HUGE hindrance on new players having to buy the cards to try and beat them, only to lose over and over and over.

Others said you are overstating the situation, but I think there is definitely some change in Hecate targeting. He never targets the same doll with rage + LS as he used to. The PU+AM counter was based on copy & AM those dolls, but they are no longer created by the FG. It is still possible to win sometimes with the deck, but it is much harder.
So I tried to make a different counter deck, which still uses PU on the high attack dolls for damage but does not rely on the healing by AM, instead uses SoSa for that:

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It worked for me today, but I do not know how robust it is needs more testing. The idea is to copy a highly raged doll, quint + SoW it so that it can bypass the dusk shield. Then use SoSa for staying alive.

[ColorlessGreen]

Sigh.



Totally still possible. Totally not a super high win rate deck. Totally still the highest known unupped/rareless win rate. Totally net profitable.

The AI improvements happened a long time ago and IIRC had more to do with the liquid antimatter deck (which was arguably pretty much broken) than having anything to do with the prediction deck. Also, the last real patch happened a year ago so anyone who thinks they're seeing some recent change is definitely imagining things. Also, like has been pointed out elsewhere, net profitable for an unupped deck against a FG is a very low bar to cross.

[Frelance]

the deck in the op suffers from the ai splitting its rage elixers...
why not abuse that fact?

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If you can get an gravity shield up, this deck works great.
6 PA because you don't want any permanent to get stolen.
a 2nd eternity instead of a rt because you may rewind a doll if it gets low with liquid shadow (especially if it is enraged as well).

Excellent anti-Hecate build. Be sure to play matching (either all upped or all unupped) quanta sources & shards, so that they'll be protected together.

[Submachine]

the deck in the op suffers from the ai splitting its rage elixers...
why not abuse that fact?

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If you can get an gravity shield up, this deck works great.
6 PA because you don't want any permanent to get stolen.
a 2nd eternity instead of a rt because you may rewind a doll if it gets low with liquid shadow (especially if it is enraged as well).

Excellent anti-Hecate build. Be sure to play matching (either all upped or all unupped) quanta sources & shards, so that they'll be protected together.

This almost worked for me but finally it didn't. There's a point where Hecate gets his starting voodoos under 5 HP with heckload attack+voodoo damage+dagger. With no eternity at that point, it's game over.

[dragtom]

I actually hoped somebody came up with an improved version by now.
One that, perhaps, includes holy flash or antimatter.

[trashduke]

the deck in the op suffers from the ai splitting its rage elixers...
why not abuse that fact?

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If you can get an gravity shield up, this deck works great.
6 PA because you don't want any permanent to get stolen.
a 2nd eternity instead of a rt because you may rewind a doll if it gets low with liquid shadow (especially if it is enraged as well).

Excellent anti-Hecate build. Be sure to play matching (either all upped or all unupped) quanta sources & shards, so that they'll be protected together.

This almost worked for me but finally it didn't. There's a point where Hecate gets his starting voodoos under 5 HP with heckload attack+voodoo damage+dagger. With no eternity at that point, it's game over.

Yeah, I just lost with this as well.  I added an upped Eternity to make sure it came, and it did x2, but didn't have a PA to protect the first one so it got stolen.  Plus no Grav shield so the damage came quick.  It's a good deck idea though, but would help with some faster draws and maybe some stall power (dials or SoBr?).

Update: Well I just ran the fully upped deck and it got the EM handily.  Once you get all set up it's pretty boring just bouncing your leaf dragon, but overall it's an easy EM.

[Submachine]

I figured that quinted adrenastaves would maybe work against Hecate, so today when I got him, I tried this:

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I did a huge mistake and played my only staff in hand instead of discarding an adrenaline, so I lost quite early, but the approach can be followed and improved.