Oracle : Hecate

[umgrego2]

1. Am I the only one that thinks the OP deck is unbalanced?
Entropy:(6*8) / (15/2) = 6.4
Aether: (6*7 + 3*13) / (15/2) = 10.8 !!?? (or do you count the mark in that calculation? still comes to (6*7 + 3*13) / (1 + 15/2) = 9.5
Are the dragons necessary? should they be substituted for 3 more entropy pendulums?

2. **EDIT** Well, I've tried a couple of more games and it seems like Hecate will not Elixir the gnome rider nor the otyugh if there are dolls on the table. So, the philosophy on this deck is shot. Is there a creature that could be used to bait the Elixir?

Regardless of the answer to 1, I was curious about trying a different approach to building a no rare, no upgrades deck. There's one thing for sure about Hecate, you will take damage no matter what. So, you need to heal. Antimatter, light cards, empathy bonds, drains, and stone skin are the only way to do this. Which led me to this:

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The philosophy is:
- bait his elixirs with cheap cards
- enchanted gravity shield means the doll attacks are blocked, at least until...
- dolls with low health are to be eaten with otyugh, but don't play them until the end of the game, obviously, when Hecate is out of elixirs (unrealistic? another option is to put BB on the few low health dolls)
- stone skin to counteract the inevitable damage
- obviously, this deck doesn't generate damage but looks to deck Hecate out

In the only game I've played with this deck, I lasted 14 turns. That was with wardens instead of gnomes and, for whatever reason, Hecate would not target them with elixirs. I had a rustler pet on the field and Hecate hit that creature, even with a doll in hand. Will a gnome rider get targeted then? Even if it isn't, it's generating that precious stone quanta. Without the redirection of elixirs, I had to start using stone skin too early (<20 quanta). If this deck's creatures could take a few elixirs, it would delay the need for SS and increase its efficiency.

Any thoughts?

I think that I've read that protocol is to not post a deck without effectively testing it, but I've never known how to do that. Seems like the trainer doesn't work? Or am I using the wrong link? http://elementsthegame.net/trainer

[Jappert]

The philosophy is:
- bait his elixirs with cheap cards
- enchanted gravity shield means the doll attacks are blocked, at least until...
- dolls with low health are to be eaten with otyugh, but don't play them until the end of the game, obviously, when Hecate is out of elixirs (unrealistic? another option is to put BB on the few low health dolls)
- stone skin to counteract the inevitable damage
- obviously, this deck doesn't generate damage but looks to deck Hecate out

- I don't think unupgraded Otyughs are able to eat alot of dolls. Upgrading them would help ALOT, and even then it'll be only a few low HP dolls they can devour.
- Remember if you BB a doll you delay your own weapon (no BB's in your deck btw!)
- You really should test if gnomes get targetted by elixirs, if they don't your entire tactic fails.
- Hecate generally get's too much damage too fast for you to heal with a few SS's
- Can you deck Hecate out with a 39 card deck without eternities?..... (you get a cupcake if you answer this correctly)

[umgrego2]

- Can you deck Hecate out with a 39 card deck without eternities?..... (you get a cupcake if you answer this correctly)

Of course he will. Hecate will deck out in  {(33 cards x 2 = 66) - 8} / 2 = 29 turns and this deck in 39-8 = 31 turns

[ddevans96]

http://elementsthegame.net/trainer

Nope, this link doesn't work. Try .com instead of .net

[umgrego2]

http://elementsthegame.net/trainer

Nope, this link doesn't work. Try .com instead of .net

Thanks, got it.

[umgrego2]

I do NOT recommend anyone play this deck.

Okay, here's my second attempt and this time I have tested it in the trainer:

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- get the gravity shield up ASAP. That's why there's four of them. I started playing them even if I didn't have my enchant artifact, because it is so crucial in the early game
- don't play the shriekers willy nilly; they are strictly for creature control. when a doll's health gets dangerously low, play one (or even two at once) and target the doll with a gravity pull. the nice side effect is that that they draw elixir and/or liquid shadow
- try to hold out on playing the stone skins early in the game until the last second
- once you've built up your quantum, keep your hand full (don't bother playing pillars) to avoid nightmare damage

btw, this does win. Is there a way in trainer to choose the FG you play agains? Tedious to randomly try and play against Hecate. Edit: figured it out

Oh, here's a lesson I just learned. Don't play your enchant artifacts on your pillars or else there's nothing for Hecate to steal, so it's hand fills up and it stops drawing two cards at a time. I just decked out this way (Hecate was also at 0 cards)

[Jappert]

Use this post to import FG deck codes in the trainer:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,7919.0.html

- Select "Import a deck code for the AI to use" in the trainer.
- Import Hecate's deck code.
- Select A False God AI (level 6) will use this deck.
- Test!

Good luck

[Jaymanfu]

Okay, here's my second attempt and this time I have tested it in the trainer:

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55p 55p 55p 55p 55t 55t 55t 55t 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 591 591 591 591 592 592 592 594 594 594 594 594 594 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 8pl

- get the gravity shield up ASAP. That's why there's four of them. I started playing them even if I didn't have my enchant artifact, because it is so crucial in the early game
- don't play the shriekers willy nilly; they are strictly for creature control. when a doll's health gets dangerously low, play one (or even two at once) and target the doll with a gravity pull. the nice side effect is that that they draw elixir and/or liquid shadow
- try to hold out on playing the stone skins early in the game until the last second
- once you've built up your quantum, keep your hand full (don't bother playing pillars) to avoid nightmare damage

btw, this does win. Is there a way in trainer to choose the FG you play agains? Tedious to randomly try and play against Hecate. Edit: figured it out

Oh, here's a lesson I just learned. Don't play your enchant artifacts on your pillars or else there's nothing for Hecate to steal, so it's hand fills up and it stops drawing two cards at a time. I just decked out this way (Hecate was also at 0 cards)

Just tried this 10 times in trainer, I liked the concept so I wanted to see how it played out. The problem was that if he gets a fast start and you're missing even 1 card in the combo.... grav shield/protect artifact, or shrieker/gravity pull (when his dolls get to 5 or less) its pretty much instant loss. Even when I managed to get out a PA'd grav shield when he had a slow start, he still burned me through my stone skins early, with vamp dagger, rage pots, and poison damage. all in all I was 0/10 with the deck, I like the idea its just hard to get the full combo, esp when he can win in 4 turns. If there was some kind of steady healing it might be much easier. Good job though

[umgrego2]

Yeah, that deck of mine is too inconsistent. As for the comment about waiting for combos, it's not necessarily best to wait. With four shields, get it up ASAP and if he does steal, you just have to wait for the next one. Although I said to not play the shriekers willy-nilly, I wonder if isn't more beneficial to get the shriekers out, as they DO draw the rage potions/liquid shadows. Having said that, I wouldn't recommend people try my deck.

[umgrego2]

So frustrating. Here's another approach I tried. Five rares, but no upgrades. I won the first time I played it, then lost the next 10.

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The sanctuaries supply the necessary healing and block the nightmares. Reverse time eliminates the repeating rage damage and helps you to prevent yourself from decking out. Swarm for the kill.

Once your eternity's on the table, rewind those dolls as much as possible, as it slows Hecate's draw of the dangerous cards. Keep the rewind spell cards for dolls that have received rage.

Unfortunately, his steal targets the eternity over the sanctuaries, so you will have to start rewinding your own creatures when your down to three or four cards. This way, if Hecate steals eternity, you've got breathing room to play your next eternity and wait a turn for its skill to become available.


It's biggest problem is that it eventually allows Hecate to play all of its dolls. With the eclipse, this is a lot of little bits of damage.

Even in a modified version that has sancturies replaced with SoG, Hecate still steals the eternities. This is the second biggest problem with the deck; decking out after Hecate steals all three eternities. (The SoG also allows Hecate to nightmare your hand)

[umgrego2]

Did some testing. The OP deck won 5/10 in trainer.

This won 6/10:

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It's a slight modification, but it makes a difference.

[umgrego2]

Use this post to import FG deck codes in the trainer:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,7919.0.html

- Select "Import a deck code for the AI to use" in the trainer.
- Import Hecate's deck code.
- Select A False God AI (level 6) will use this deck.
- Test!
Good luck

Thanks, Jappert!