Oracle : Hecate

[dragtom]

that seems to have way too little damage to kill,
considering that hecate has liquid shadow.

Sure, if possible, LS gets casted on 2-damage dolls (eclipse),
but very often they are casted on dolls with higer attack.

[Submachine]

that seems to have way too little damage to kill,
considering that hecate has liquid shadow.

Sure, if possible, LS gets casted on 2-damage dolls (eclipse),
but very often they are casted on dolls with higer attack.

the keyword in your sentence is 'seems', as neither of us has tested it enough times to have an accurate result, but I'm on it.
the bigger the voodoo doll, the bigger it heals, but the lower its HP is and the faster it dies

[dragtom]

tried it a quick 10 games, lost all unfortunately.

Sometimes hecate outrushes you (every turn an elixer means you may die before you can get a staff/aw/...)
However, when that doesn't happen - and you manage to get more healing in time- you deck out.

A single game i got the hp down to 164 at one point.

Dusk mantle's ability to cut your damage in half hurts a lot.
add a dagger and he heals as fast as you can hurt him untill late game.
a couple of 2-damage LS'd dolls (not to mention 14-damage..).
I see potential, as it is possible to survive the first 15 turns with 2 adrena'staves.

Maybe this in the form of a novabow with sundials and a source of damage will work better...
but what kind of damage?

[Submachine]

tried it a quick 10 games, lost all unfortunately.

Sometimes hecate outrushes you (every turn an elixer means you may die before you can get a staff/aw/...)
However, when that doesn't happen - and you manage to get more healing in time- you deck out.

A single game i got the hp down to 164 at one point.

Dusk mantle's ability to cut your damage in half hurts a lot.
add a dagger and he heals as fast as you can hurt him untill late game.
a couple of 2-damage LS'd dolls (not to mention 14-damage..).
I see potential, as it is possible to survive the first 15 turns with 2 adrena'staves.

Maybe this in the form of a novabow with sundials and a source of damage will work better...
but what kind of damage?

I'm a bit sad that it didn't work as an offensive deck, but you can be right about that the strategy is maybe viable in a bow deck. In a bow, steel golems can pump damage nicely and RT splash can deal with megabuff dolls. But sadly, I'm even worse at building bowdecks. ._. If we find a deck with at least 75% winrate against Hecate, it's a success.

[BeforeMemory]

Used the Un-Upped deck in OP (with a few upped cards I had) got an EM and won a Rage Elixir and a Steal.
Thanks!

[Lagbane]

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I almost decked him out with this, but I forgot to include my own creature to rewind. It otherwise worked pretty well, but I got a lucky early miracle.

[kaempfer13]

I used this version and eventually emd hecate:

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3 sundials were just dead cards in my hand (or delayed precognitions if you will), but the first 1 probably saved my ass (if it was a SoG I would have lived too, though). So including sundials is debatable; if you do dont enchant your pillars (a bad idea anyway EAs are precious), so hecate is not forced to keep his steals.
Obviously this works better fully upped and with 6 SoGs (but dont splash in unupped SoGs).
Edit: met hecate again; he had an insane 18/2 voodoodoll start. I lost just after playing eternity; a sundial could have saved me, but I didnt draw any. The problem with this deck is it needs long to get going. I takes at least 3 turns until you can pay the quanta to play eternity and Gravityshield and then you still need 3EAs and at least 1 SoG. Not sure whether that makes it worse than the prediction deck (apparently many think its weak, though it only failed me once).

[Submachine]

With this, I almost decked him out:

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I was only 2 turns away.

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Throughout the game, my damage barely did anything to him, though I had tons of quanta. I should either change the Angels to Dragons or completely swap them to +4 Miracles and +2 SoD. Maybe it's also worth changing some pillars to Ray of Lights and add 1-2 Hope in the place of the Morning Glory.

[kaempfer13]

oh right! holy flash can kill double rage potted voodoos (rest can be dealed with by gravity shield) and otherwise act as cheap heal. I am pretty sure these ideas can be merged.

First experimental deck:

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Edit: needs more purify
needs way to deal with vamp daggers damage portion

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Sort of back to the roots; sort of

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I dunno what this is either.

Edit 3: removed sundials because they became obsolete with holy light. Not sure whether I am just getting used to it, but suddenly the deck doesnt look so weird anymore.

[Submachine]

The problem is that it's hard to draw the things you need in a Rainbow, though i didn't test your version yet.
Today I encountered Hecate again, and with some new mods, I could do a whopping 244 HP EM on him. (which means more gold when winning)

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Finally I think I can say that this deck has an answer to everything (well, almost). Miracles and SoDs can stall in the early game unless Hecate gets a very fast hand and outrushes me while I'm drawing for quanta - which can sadly happen. The Sanctuaries are bound to be stolen here, but as long as they are up, they protect from Nightmare. Holy Light handles the raged dolls with 10 or less HP. And now, the forever alone Hope + RoLs take care of Eclipse. The only thing I can't remove with this is the poison, but that's manageable when you have tons of HP. Finally to get the EM, keep a miracle and a sanctuary in your hand until the last turn, then play Sanc+Miracle (in this order) to get the EM.

It's still a subject to test later, because i can't know from one test if i got lucky or if it really has potential... Will come back to it later maybe.

[Tantoney]

Is there a more effective alternative on dealing with Hecate, as I always get outrushed with the Antimatter/Parallel Universe deck?

[Higurashi]

Quinted Purples+Fractal Amethyst works better for me. AM+PU is for Purple Nymph-less people.

2 copies of Dragon+Fractal, 4 copies of Nymph+Quint, rest Entropy quanta. Only about 6 pends.