Post by: frimax on June 26, 2012, 06:22:21 am
Balance between Defense - Attack, Quanta Produce - Quanta Consume, Potential elimination and protection, of creatures, Utilities, Permanents.
I test ALL!!! decks until I got a decent efficiency. Hours and hours of testing. So please enjoy.
:underworldbig
DECK 1: Improved!!
Edge: Poison damage is inflicted every turn combined with immaterial units for a strong attack.
Weakness: Since you don't have any healing process 1 hit and good bye EM.
DECK 2: Improved!!
Edge: Creature rush.
Weakness: Early CC will trash you.
DECK 3:
Edge: Almost all your creatures have the ability to kill.
Weakness: Steal - Deflagration - Earthquake.
Combo 1: Kill + Skeleton + mutation + Empathic Bond
Combo 2: kill + Skeleton + Reverse time + Empathic Bond.
DECK 4: Smaller!!
Edge: High Regeneration power.
Weakness: It takes some time to summon, but it will definitely give you some wins.
Test it 3 times before post it in, 3W - 0L, one of my old favorites, the one that took me out of the hole.
Combo: vamp + adrenaline + momentum + quintessence.
DECK 5:
Edge:1 Hit kill!
Weakness: Many but, when it works it works, got 5/5 Win lose ration Before posting it.
Hints: Before combo hopefully you already have enemies side of the field full with cells.
Enough quanta :death to summon 5 or more vultures, 5 is enough.((+-23 cells/creatures = 23 damage on vultures)*(5 vultures=115)*(2 skyblitz))
Combo: Vulture/condor <-- Fractal(summon), fire storm(1 or 2), sky blitz, chimera, liquid shadow.
DECK 6: Changed for my mono light!!
I decided to add my own monolight, Upgraded version is a monster and non-upgraded version is not too bad, around 70% win ratio.
DECK 7: NEW + Just 1 rare
The highest of the highs un-uped win/ratios.
Not much to say, It took me ages to find something so stable.
Good luck :D
FRIMAX/FRAMZA
Post by: Wizy on June 26, 2012, 08:30:50 am
Post by: Annele on June 26, 2012, 12:08:07 pm
Post by: Xenocidius on June 26, 2012, 12:12:11 pm
He can't, actually, until he has 5 posts.Source?
Post by: Annele on June 26, 2012, 12:20:04 pm
He can't, actually, until he has 5 posts.Source?
It happened to me, and some other forum users that I know of. I assumed it was one of those spam-preventers. I am terribly sorry if I got that wrong.
Post by: Xenocidius on June 26, 2012, 12:22:33 pm
Actually, it was an unintended side effect of our spam prevention system in the past. I believe it's fixed now though.He can't, actually, until he has 5 posts.Source?
It happened to me, and some other forum users that I know of. I assumed it was one of those spam-preventers. I am terribly sorry if I got that wrong.
Post by: Annele on June 26, 2012, 12:27:01 pm
Oh, okay. Never mind then. Sorry all! :-[Actually, it was an unintended side effect of our spam prevention system in the past. I believe it's fixed now though.He can't, actually, until he has 5 posts.Source?
It happened to me, and some other forum users that I know of. I assumed it was one of those spam-preventers. I am terribly sorry if I got that wrong.
Post by: furballdn on June 26, 2012, 06:29:07 pm
Post by: frimax on June 26, 2012, 09:34:59 pm
@furballdn ; don't get me wrong I know it's hard to get a high profit out of HB, FG even with my actual deck I still get a lot of trouble, (still working on it :D)
But at least if you are a beginner you have a higher chance to get upgraded cards, for example my friend play like 20 times against HB with my decks
and got 3 upgraded cards, thats like 3.3k coins right? how long it will take you to get that out of elders? and with a decend win/lose ratio,
because you can go to play FG with scaredys unupgraded deck, but you will get like 2/10 wins or less.
I will post more HB helper decks later =)
Post by: frimax on June 26, 2012, 09:36:39 pm
He can't, actually, until he has 5 posts.
BTW love you avatar Annele hehehe
Post by: furballdn on June 26, 2012, 10:14:40 pm
Post by: ARTHANASIOS on June 26, 2012, 10:21:36 pm
Post by: frimax on June 27, 2012, 12:51:29 am
You're working on flying glories with sundials and earth splash?
Post by: furballdn on June 27, 2012, 01:01:39 am
Post by: esran on June 27, 2012, 01:47:57 am
Post by: furballdn on June 27, 2012, 01:49:51 am
i think the holy flash is for EMIf that's the case, you could use unupped so it wouldn't mess with mulligan.
Post by: esran on June 27, 2012, 02:21:32 am
Post by: frimax on June 27, 2012, 05:07:00 am
There is a wonderful [ deck] tag that makes the deck images for you, you just have to provide the deck import codes. So you don't have to upload a bunch of pics, you can easily make changes, and people may see/copy the deck codes.
@Wizy Would you be so kind to remove all the codes, now the post is like swarmed with images.
Thank you ;)
Post by: Annele on June 27, 2012, 07:12:12 am
i think the holy flash is for EMIf that's the case, you could use unupped so it wouldn't mess with mulligan.
But miracle removes all :light quanta.
Post by: furballdn on June 27, 2012, 07:13:57 am
I knew I was being super derpy today! Well scratch that then. When farming FGs, you usually wouldn't be concerned about EM anyway, and if you wanna farm FGs, get a better FG farmer like instosis or sosac dials.i think the holy flash is for EMIf that's the case, you could use unupped so it wouldn't mess with mulligan.
But miracle removes all :light quanta.
Post by: ARTHANASIOS on June 27, 2012, 07:45:47 am
IMO if you wanted a FG farmer, you should have upped ROL or limitless speed. both are better than that... thing.
Dear ersan, the guy who started this post (frimax) tries to create a HB farmer and not a FG one. Furthermore, it is not polite at all to call his deck "that... thing".
Pay respect to the newcomers please. :(
Post by: frimax on June 30, 2012, 02:05:12 am
Thanks.
Post by: AP579 on July 01, 2012, 05:52:51 am
Do you really have 14 :fire? If you're going aflatoxin route, why not thunderstorm and a couple lightnings?
Is a titanium shield necessary? It can get PCd as well. Why not emerald shield as built-in immaterial 1 DR shield?
Also, Liquid shadow won't EM if you have only one creature (chimera) because damage is calculated first, and if damage is calculated, they already died. That kind of makes me suspicious as to if you actually tested it, but...
Post by: frimax on July 02, 2012, 09:11:44 am
Deck 5:
Do you really have 14 :fire? If you're going aflatoxin route, why not thunderstorm and a couple lightnings?
Is a titanium shield necessary? It can get PCd as well. Why not emerald shield as built-in immaterial 1 DR shield?
Also, Liquid shadow won't EM if you have only one creature (chimera) because damage is calculated first, and if damage is calculated, they already died. That kind of makes me suspicious as to if you actually tested it, but...
you have more :fire quanta at the end of the game than 14, Like I say in the beginning of the post, you have to anticipate many things, its just in case, what if the swarm you with lot of creatures like FFQ, or scrabs, or fractals with units that have more hp? firestorm+diamond shield in the early game makes sure you don't your ... game wiped off, aflotonix for stronger creatures like dragons, 3 because they may have purify+healing+armor+improveM+chaospower+RevTime+basilikb, you got the picture, I already know that LS won't EM the deck, but I didn't put it there for EM only, what If something happend and you are about to lose and you have to cast the combo early without skyblitz or something at least you can survive longer and even win, or they keep stealing your quanta and at the end you only summon 3 condors? thats 23*3*2=no win, and you are about to lose then 2 hits are necessary.
I test the decks about 40 times, before post in them, I post the ones that in my opinion have the best performance, I have a score of 86,257!! now, do you think I didn't try this deck with all the shields before?
BUT!!! I know that all decks can be slightly modified and work well, like JMZ's or Scarredy's, so if you do, please post some statistics, and which cards you changed.
THANK YOU =)
Post by: frimax on July 08, 2012, 04:32:31 am
I add more decks recently and test them all in in:
http://elementscommunity.org/tools/xenocidius/simulator/
Be careful of the results with some decks due to stack-hands combos,
the AI whenever it has enough quanta to play a card it will play it.
Post by: Chapuz on July 10, 2012, 01:25:55 pm
Code: [Select]
[deck]*Deck code here*[/deck]
Post by: frimax on July 11, 2012, 05:14:23 am
Post by: Chapuz on July 11, 2012, 06:22:31 pm
Post by: frimax on July 12, 2012, 02:47:30 am
You are probably right about the pendulums it will make it more stable against Earthquakes(if you are talking about half-ing life pillars with life pendulums), air pendulums wouldn't work because life mark, I tested hope 2-3 hopes, but the efficiency is lower in simulator, hope shield, is a good shield in the long term game defence, but weak against a lot of creature control, most fireflys are expendable just for extra damage in early game, combined with skyblitz for a surprise win, what I haven't tested is 1 or 2 miracles instead of thorn caparace and maybe 1 life pillar, that will make you stay longer in the game, but there is a reason I put the other shields in the deck, it goes like this, if you have early eagle's eyes, use thorn caparace for a lot of creature damage, if are running low on hp, rush the bonds and emerald shield, instead of spaming lots of fireflys, I haven't tested neither this: +1 eagle's eyes, - 2 life pillars, - 1 EMbond, +1 animate weapon, +1 air pillar.
But is for you to try, have fun changing the decks, I'm just posting a good Win/Lose ratio decks, if you get a higher win/lose ratio, post which cards did you change and some statistics in the SIMULATOR, remember that other factors are important as well like:
(this is the actual average in my FFQ deck)
Player
Wins: 44
Winrate: 44 %
Average TTW: 14.886363636363637 <- 14 turns is not so long, you don't wanna be stock in the same game forever
EMs: 11 <- 11 Elemental masters
EM rate: 25 %
Computer
Wins: 56
Winrate: 56 %
Average TTW: 12.821428571428571
EMs: 4
EM rate: 7.142857142857143 %
So if you outmatch that, great, tell me how!! hehehe
:P
Post by: Wizy on July 12, 2012, 07:36:09 am
A mono :air I just made randomly:
1,000 simulations vs AI4:
Player
Wins: 575
Winrate: 57.5 %
Average TTW: 10.803478260869566
EMs: 97
EM rate: 16.869565217391305 %
Computer
Wins: 425
Winrate: 42.5 %
Average TTW: 11.385882352941177
EMs: 30
EM rate: 7.0588235294117645 %
Edit, a mono :aether:
1,000 simulations vs AI4:
Player
Wins: 703
Winrate: 70.3 %
Average TTW: 16.496443812233284
EMs: 49
EM rate: 6.970128022759602 %
Computer
Wins: 297
Winrate: 29.7 %
Average TTW: 17.865319865319865
EMs: 35
EM rate: 11.784511784511784 %
Edit 2, a mono :fire, again simply using big hitters and a few other cards to fill the holes:
Player
Wins: 695
Winrate: 69.5 %
Average TTW: 8.676258992805755
EMs: 158
EM rate: 22.73381294964029 %
Computer
Wins: 305
Winrate: 30.5 %
Average TTW: 9.718032786885246
EMs: 4
EM rate: 1.3114754098360655 %
Post by: frimax on July 12, 2012, 10:11:29 am
Hahaha mono aether for the win, lol I know 44% is not so good, that's just my ffq deck, but it gives you many EM and some wins against AI level 5, , you know that with your decks you don't actually get EM right? is just a simulator miscalculation, my other decks are around 50% rate or higher, and one of them 0% =), coz the AI can't play it, which somehow makes me proud. :P
You know that I just make this decks so the new people get new Ideas and a chance to develop faster, My actual deck is very different.
CHEEERRRRSS.
Post by: eaglgenes101 on July 13, 2012, 02:42:54 am
I focused your second deck:
Your third deck could also use a bit of help:
Here's for your fourth:
And your fifth:
And your sixth (from somewhere else):
Spoilered by request.
Your third deck could also use a bit of help:
Here's for your fourth:
And your fifth:
And your sixth (from somewhere else):
Post by: frimax on July 15, 2012, 06:20:03 am
Here is some statistics over 100 games, about your modifications and your decks. :(
You only replace my in some of my deck's, quantum pillars for novas, WRONG!,
novas are a immediate boost for quanta, it's seems YOU are the one who can use some help.
Your Ideas are fine, but the balance is totally out of it.
It will be different though with towers, if is that what you meant?
DECK 1, Against AI 4,
Player
Wins: 16
Winrate: 16 %
Average TTW: 20.125
EMs: 5
EM rate: 31.25 %
Computer
Wins: 84
Winrate: 84 %
Average TTW: 15.44047619047619
EMs: 34
EM rate: 40.476190476190474 %
DECK 2, Against AI 4,
Player
Wins: 29
Winrate: 29 %
Average TTW: 17.379310344827587
EMs: 9
EM rate: 31.03448275862069 %
Computer
Wins: 71
Winrate: 71 %
Average TTW: 14.647887323943662
EMs: 4
EM rate: 5.633802816901408 %
DECK 3, Against AI 4,
Player
Wins: 28
Winrate: 28 %
Average TTW: 14.464285714285714
EMs: 8
EM rate: 28.571428571428573 %
Computer
Wins: 72
Winrate: 72 %
Average TTW: 13.722222222222221
EMs: 19
EM rate: 26.38888888888889 %
--->>> I could go on, It's seems pointless.
ONE OF MY ACTUAL DECKS, AGAINST AI 4,
Player
Wins: 67
Winrate: 67 %
Average TTW: 16.059701492537314
EMs: 3
EM rate: 4.477611940298507 %
Computer
Wins: 33
Winrate: 33 %
Average TTW: 15.515151515151516
EMs: 2
EM rate: 6.0606060606060606 %
We already decided that WIZY mono Aether was the one with highest rate.
The other ones are just funny.Player
Wins: 16
Winrate: 16 %
Average TTW: 20.125
EMs: 5
EM rate: 31.25 %
Computer
Wins: 84
Winrate: 84 %
Average TTW: 15.44047619047619
EMs: 34
EM rate: 40.476190476190474 %
DECK 2, Against AI 4,
Player
Wins: 29
Winrate: 29 %
Average TTW: 17.379310344827587
EMs: 9
EM rate: 31.03448275862069 %
Computer
Wins: 71
Winrate: 71 %
Average TTW: 14.647887323943662
EMs: 4
EM rate: 5.633802816901408 %
DECK 3, Against AI 4,
Player
Wins: 28
Winrate: 28 %
Average TTW: 14.464285714285714
EMs: 8
EM rate: 28.571428571428573 %
Computer
Wins: 72
Winrate: 72 %
Average TTW: 13.722222222222221
EMs: 19
EM rate: 26.38888888888889 %
--->>> I could go on, It's seems pointless.
ONE OF MY ACTUAL DECKS, AGAINST AI 4,
Player
Wins: 67
Winrate: 67 %
Average TTW: 16.059701492537314
EMs: 3
EM rate: 4.477611940298507 %
Computer
Wins: 33
Winrate: 33 %
Average TTW: 15.515151515151516
EMs: 2
EM rate: 6.0606060606060606 %
We already decided that WIZY mono Aether was the one with highest rate.
About my 5th deck, I look at it as one of my master pieces, so don't touch it. hahaha
Peace!!!
Post by: Wizy on July 15, 2012, 10:16:40 am
Of the ones you posted only the FFQ one gets reliable results in the sim, because the AI doesn't have to make decisions, just play the cards when there is enough quanta.
Post by: frimax on July 15, 2012, 10:31:27 am
On the decks I posted in the first page, 4 of them get reliable results in the simulator, only 2 can't be tested because stack hand combos, or not enough stall.
The one you posted WIZY, gives reliable results in the simulator, same as my first one, aether+poison.
PEACE!!
Post by: esran on July 17, 2012, 01:42:25 am
Post by: Wizy on July 17, 2012, 02:02:59 am
Post by: Cheesy111 on July 17, 2012, 02:40:57 am
I strongly recommend you to test any modifications first and post statistics.
Here is some statistics over 100 games, about your modifications and your decks. :(
You only replace my in some of my deck's, quantum pillars for novas, WRONG!,
novas are a immediate boost for quanta, it's seems YOU are the one who can use some help.
Your Ideas are fine, but the balance is totally out of it.
It will be different though with towers, if is that what you meant?DECK 1, Against AI 4,The other ones are just funny.
Player
Wins: 16
Winrate: 16 %
Average TTW: 20.125
EMs: 5
EM rate: 31.25 %
Computer
Wins: 84
Winrate: 84 %
Average TTW: 15.44047619047619
EMs: 34
EM rate: 40.476190476190474 %
DECK 2, Against AI 4,
Player
Wins: 29
Winrate: 29 %
Average TTW: 17.379310344827587
EMs: 9
EM rate: 31.03448275862069 %
Computer
Wins: 71
Winrate: 71 %
Average TTW: 14.647887323943662
EMs: 4
EM rate: 5.633802816901408 %
DECK 3, Against AI 4,
Player
Wins: 28
Winrate: 28 %
Average TTW: 14.464285714285714
EMs: 8
EM rate: 28.571428571428573 %
Computer
Wins: 72
Winrate: 72 %
Average TTW: 13.722222222222221
EMs: 19
EM rate: 26.38888888888889 %
--->>> I could go on, It's seems pointless.
ONE OF MY ACTUAL DECKS, AGAINST AI 4,
Player
Wins: 67
Winrate: 67 %
Average TTW: 16.059701492537314
EMs: 3
EM rate: 4.477611940298507 %
Computer
Wins: 33
Winrate: 33 %
Average TTW: 15.515151515151516
EMs: 2
EM rate: 6.0606060606060606 %
We already decided that WIZY mono Aether was the one with highest rate.
About my 5th deck, I look at it as one of my master pieces, so don't touch it. hahaha
Peace!!!
Novae have two purposes. One is to provide quick and spread-out quanta for shards(Zen) or a multitude of rushing rainbow creatures (antabow). The other is to provide exact quanta so that one is not doomed by the inefficiency of quantum pillars (nova-chrysaora poisondial, UGdials). Your decks are neither of these. Combining large amounts of QP and novae results in an inefficient and bloated deck in most cases.
One of the most important questions to ask of a deck is its purpose. What are you trying to accomplish? What is your win condition, what synergies are you exploiting, why is your deck better than a random assortment of cards and quanta? You have put this under 'edge', and yet none of your decks are rush decks or cheap exact combo decks. Thus, novae are worse than quantum pillars in them. Now, taking a look at the decks themselves:
D1) Use more dims. It's a powerful card and you can't afford to only have four in a poison/dim deck. Otherwise this is a solid deck and has been for a while.
D2) This deck is not focused at all. Mummy/RT is a decent synergy, but it's one that you have to build a deck around. You simply won't have enough time quanta to try to exploit that. Your deck is trying to be too many things at once - it has conflicting shields (dimensional/titanium), rushing creatures (lycan/pegasus), stallbreaker creatures (fire/forest/steam) and control creatures (parasite/oty). This deck needs to be focused somehow, whether as a stallbreaker or as a control deck or as a rush.
D3) This deck is much more focused than D2. That's good. You've got killing creatures and death synergy, great! However it seems like you're again being wishy-washy on shields, carrying 2 dims and a titanium. Why not ditch them all for a few Bone Walls and more control? Change the mark from Time to Death and you'll find it fairly easy to bring out Bone Walls and Graveyards to execute your primary strategy. Rain of Fire is also very pricey unupped, consider taking a Shockwave or Lightning instead to make it easier and quicker to dominate your opponent.
D4) Another focused deck, great! I do question the point of the Owl's Eye, Titanium and Enchant Artifact though. Why not take those out and try to add another vampire/momentum/adrenaline/quintessence combination for better draw stability?
D5) Titanium shield is nice, but if it's destroyed before you can OTK the cells will destroy you. Why not put in an Emerald shield? That way you're protected from spells AND you don't have to worry about cells at all. You aren't using life quanta at all, so it shouldn't strain you.
D6) This has got way, way too much Life quanta. Pendulums would be a GREAT help here to improve draw stability. One more FFQ would help, and also consider putting in an expensive light card or two (Miracle, Golden Dragone, Hope) to profit from the Light generation of the Fireflies.
Overall: Focus, replace novae for QP. Try fiddling with eaglgenes's modifications, as they're close to what I am suggesting.
Post by: Luminous on July 21, 2012, 01:08:18 pm
I spent a lot of time building this decks, Hope you will find them useful. Sometimes is not the idea of a deck that is wrong but the balance of it.
Balance between Defense - Attack, Quanta Produce - Quanta Consume, Potential elimination and protection, of creatures, Utilities, Permanents.
I test ALL!!! decks until I got 4 wins in a row against Half Bloods (AI Lvl 4) which I believe is pretty decent for an unupgraded deck.
:underworldbig
DECK 1:
Edge: Poison damage is inflicted every turn combined with immaterial units for a strong attack.
Weakness: Since you don't have any healing process 1 hit and good bye EM.(http://i.imgur.com/12Kpj.jpg)
DECK 2:
Edge: Almost all elements quanta consumption is "4".
Weakness: Crimson Dragon.
Combo: Eternity+Mummy/pharaoh+scarab.
DECK 3:
Edge: Almost all your creatures have the ability to kill.
Weakness: Steal - Deflagration - Earthquake.
Combo 1: Kill + Skeleton + mutation + Empathic Bond
Combo 2: kill + Skeleton + Reverse time + Empathic Bond.
DECK 4:
Edge: High Regeneration power.
Weakness: It takes some time to summon, but it will definitely give you some wins.
Test it 3 times before post it in, 3W - 0L, one of my old favorites, the one that took me out of the hole.
Combo: vamp + ephine +unst + quint.(http://i.imgur.com/N5mrK.jpg)
DECK 5:
Edge:1 Hit kill!
Weakness: Many but, when it works it works, got 5/5 Win lose ration Before posting it.
Hints: Before combo hopefully you already have enemies side of the field full with cells.
Enough quanta :death to summon 5 or more vultures, 5 is enough.((+-23 cells/creatures = 23 damage on vultures)*(5 vultures=115)*(2 skyblitz))
Combo: Vulture/condor <-- Fractal(summon), fire storm(1 or 2), sky blitz, chimera, liquid shadow.
DECK 6:
Same old same old, but 40% effectiveness in xeno game simulator,
http://elementscommunity.org/tools/xenocidius/simulator/
So I decided to add it, is not as good as the other ones, but gives you lots of EM.
Good luck :D
FRIMAX/FRAMZA
Crimson Dragon is a weakness? That's silly. Dragons can't be a weakness. Overcounting may be a weakness,crimson not.
If you gonna waste your time quanta on mumy,fair enough then.
Epi and Unst ? This deck shoulda help newbies. Not pros,believe me,many newbies don't know what's epi and unst.
The deck below has no LS.
Post by: Absol on July 21, 2012, 01:27:37 pm
Mummy RT combo has long been proven practical. It runs on Nova, and can even use the excess quanta on SoR. So yeah.
Where did it say it has to help newbs? Epi and Unst (common term is UG) is a widely used terms. Newbs should check Glossary should they meet unknown terms.
And don't quote the entire OP. It stretches the page.
Post by: Luminous on July 21, 2012, 02:55:30 pm
^Sorry for that.
Mummy RT combo has long been proven practical. It runs on Nova, and can even use the excess quanta on SoR. So yeah.
Where did it say it has to help newbs? Epi and Unst (common term is UG) is a widely used terms. Newbs should check Glossary should they meet unknown terms.
And don't quote the entire OP. It stretches the page.
It says on topic's name.
Post by: Wizy on July 21, 2012, 06:43:55 pm
Post by: Luminous on July 21, 2012, 07:00:23 pm
epi and unst, he/she means adrenaline and momentumI know. We all know but newbs don't. As topic says HELP FOR Newbs,he/she shoulda write adre and moment
Post by: frimax on July 21, 2012, 08:56:10 pm
Wow, I didn't realize there were so many replies hehehe, :P, Those are just a bunch of decks I used to use in the past, they work pretty well for me, I test them all in Xeno simulator, and they do pretty well for non-upgraded, I know crimson dragon is not a weakness I try to be just... Not too serious, It's a game after all, I know there is weaknesses in some of the decks, I will change them of course if you post some statistics with improved results, synergy for mummy is just a plus in deck number 2, my aim was to do <=4 quanta for each element rush, works pretty well, but I need some regen process, and more PC control, I need to think about it, there is a deck post by WIZY which has a win/rate around 70%, which is pretty decent against HB, I promise I will try to do some improvements and change the decks, but as for now I'm working on a Full upgrade FG farmer.
Cheers to all.
Post by: frimax on July 21, 2012, 09:41:52 pm
I updated the first deck, poison+aether duo for a average around 75% check it out, please understand that it takes me a lot of time to make some improvements in the decks, I try to inspire some Ideas!!, and card combos, I don't want to do all the work for ya! hahaha
I will keep you updated about other changes.
Please try this one first it works pretty well on Fake Gods as well.
CHEEERRSS.
Post by: frimax on July 22, 2012, 04:27:46 am
one of them with 6 rares and 2 upgraded but works pretty well, a smaller version of the super vampires as well.
I'm trying to aim higher than 75% win ratio with non-upgraded, but is a nightmare!!, but I think this is as far as I go, 75% is high enough,
even with full upgraded ones, sometimes you don't get that high.
So please enjoy the decks.
Wait to see your replies.
frimax here/framza lol ;)
Post by: Wizy on July 22, 2012, 05:55:51 am
The reason the :aether decks got such winrate in the simulator is due to a bug related to dim shield (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,36978.msg524175.html#msg524175).
The winrate of decks that contain dim shield is a lie :P
Post by: frimax on July 22, 2012, 06:20:10 am
lol don't worry WIZY, :D
The other decks are still good.
mono light=72% win rate.
creature rush=68%
only duo aether+poison could be affected.
hope to hear news from xeno about it, to see the real data.
thanks.
Post by: Luminous on July 22, 2012, 07:40:18 am
Post by: frimax on July 22, 2012, 09:44:45 am
Yeah, deck number 5 is a mystery man, it takes me sooo long every time I want to improve it, and it can't be tested in Xeno simulator, which
slows things even more, there is only one way and is try and fail, thing is I made a full upgraded version of it, works well, and then from that one,
I took the non-upgraded version, I have the manual statistics against FG somewhere, let me make some modifications and see if I can get the
ratio to half-bloods, higher than 50%, why don't you test my other decks, they work pretty well, and some of them don't need many rares.
Cheers mate.
Post by: Luminous on July 22, 2012, 12:38:58 pm
Okay,it sure is mystery. By the way, 50th post! :P
Yeah, deck number 5 is a mystery man, it takes me sooo long every time I want to improve it, and it can't be tested in Xeno simulator, which
slows things even more, there is only one way and is try and fail, thing is I made a full upgraded version of it, works well, and then from that one,
I took the non-upgraded version, I have the manual statistics against FG somewhere, let me make some modifications and see if I can get the
ratio to half-bloods, higher than 50%, why don't you test my other decks, they work pretty well, and some of them don't need many rares.
Cheers mate.
Post by: Mental Midget on July 25, 2012, 08:13:08 am
Edit: it was the remade version tho didnt see the original one. might look good on paper but in action its shait against ai4 :<
Post by: Mental Midget on July 25, 2012, 10:32:39 am
its pretty hard to rely on a 4 card combo wich does not do about 12 dmg/round
Post by: Luminous on July 25, 2012, 12:33:22 pm
Just tried Deck 4 aswell for 18 games its an OK deck but, bad hands or unlucky draws is very vital to get that deck started so i lost more than i won due to those unlucky rounds. and if the creatures gets to heavy on the opponents side your vamp regen will not be able to keep up properly.Everything depends on draw.
its pretty hard to rely on a 4 card combo wich does not do about 12 dmg/round
Post by: frimax on July 25, 2012, 08:25:55 pm
Try deck 1 for a while, I improved a little bit is non-upgraded, duo, very easy to build, it gives you at least 70% win rate, sometimes more.
and if you want, Deck 2, it's really good because its a rush, but you MUST save your steals for the right time, the good thing about a rush is,
either you win fast, or die fast, so you can farm like crazy :P
Good luck have fun, if you can when you get some light rares try Deck 6, it's really good and it gets close to 80% win rate.
=)
I'm trying to make a RoL, mono light, hope deck, it's fun, but arena and HB, have so much Creature Control (CC), that it makes me wanna shard them all to hell. :D
Post by: Mental Midget on July 26, 2012, 07:37:38 am
i currently use http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,36282.0.html it works soso but since u are limited to CC its tough to know wich creatures are worth getting rid of in case he pulls out another dangerous one :|
Post by: Mental Midget on July 26, 2012, 09:09:32 am
most reasons why i lost was because (in no specific order):
- earthquake - delayed your deck enormously to be able to stay efficient on the damage output.
- Skullshield - well pretty much made my indestructable damage delaers into to indestructable worthlessness
- arsenic or any poison - not much do to there
- Deflag/steal/butterflyeffect - if they ruin one of my shields its pretty much a loss
the lack of phaseshields makes u very vurnable to most decks since its only for limited time and most from the above is very hard to compete against except for luck.
by trying some of these decks now ive noticed that speed is the most vital key to victory in the AI4, the longer you wait the harder you die. to be able to compete with them AI4s u need to do alot of early damage so u can bring them down to 100 hp within 6-8 turns after that ur chances are slightly improved. i have another deck that looks very promising i just need some more testing with it so i can be sure not just to trust the game simulator to much
Edit: ide suggest going full aether instead http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,3154.0.html of aether death unless u remake it to a more 50/50 deck with death aether with some pendulums otherwise the mark feels kinda wasted with only 4 poisons in it.
the essetial halfblood farmer gots higher win chance than the aether/poison deck
Post by: Mental Midget on July 26, 2012, 09:32:33 am
anyways here it is
when i first started to play this game i rly started to fancy entropy cuz of its way to morph creatures and stuff. but then i was stuck on ai3 farming so switched out some cards and it turned out to be pretty effective.
it has about 50-60% winchance and very good sustain and even possible EMs
Tips:
- Always save your Maxwells on ur hand until its rly needed unless u play against another Entropy or Death deck it will most likely be killed by their maxwells so make sure to put it out b4 they do, or it will be plagued and die from the death deck.. almost forgot about otyughs aswell.. bleh..
- Disipation shield is a rly nice lifesaving tool dont waste it and make sure u got a nice amount of stacked quanta b4 playing it so it wount interrupt u from casting other creatures/antimatter the next turn. best tool to reach an EM victory 1 is enough in my opinion since u wount use it frequently
- Antimatter needs to be well placed so dont place em on creatures with lower than 4 damage to make it effective, optimal placeing would be on a 10/x creature like dragons or other high creatures.
Pros:
- Pretty good sustain with anti-matter so ur able to last more than 10 turns without dying (if the game takes that long)
- Antimatter makes the AI target his own creatures with CC instead of yours, if he does target ur creatures with rewind etc.. well thanks for the life :)
- easy to handle quantadenial decks thats why i have abominations in the deck instead of more dragons
- heavy hitting and decent speed.
- Possible to EM
Cons:
- Procasination shield/turtleshield is pretty annoying it slows down the deck since this deck relys on attacks only without momentum
- When AI uses rewind/rod of divinity on his own creatures if antimattered its pretty much a waste of a good antimatter, always predict the targets of antimatter (Attackdmg and quantacost)
- skullshield is also one of my nemesis, its passable though it can be rly annoying just make sure to antimatter them bonedragons and it will be fine (hopefully)
This is what i reached the best in the game simulator for 20 games but thats mostly wishthinking :D
Player
Wins: 18
Winrate: 90 %
Average TTW: 12.166666666666666
EMs: 3
EM rate: 16.666666666666668 %
Computer
Wins: 2
Winrate: 10 %
Average TTW: 16
EMs: 0
EM rate: 0 %
Post by: frimax on July 26, 2012, 10:02:00 am
This is the actual stats with the antimatter deck you posted,
Player
Wins: 57
Winrate: 57 %
Average TTW: 13.228070175438596
EMs: 17
EM rate: 29.82456140350877 %
Computer
Wins: 43
Winrate: 43 %
Average TTW: 13.255813953488373
EMs: 1
EM rate: 2.3255813953488373 %
Wins: 57
Winrate: 57 %
Average TTW: 13.228070175438596
EMs: 17
EM rate: 29.82456140350877 %
Computer
Wins: 43
Winrate: 43 %
Average TTW: 13.255813953488373
EMs: 1
EM rate: 2.3255813953488373 %
AND THIS....---
Player
Wins: 68 <-- AVERAGE, sometimes is higher.
Winrate: 68 %
Average TTW: 15.176470588235293
EMs: 19
EM rate: 27.941176470588236 %
Computer
Wins: 32
Winrate: 32 %
Average TTW: 14.1875
EMs: 1
EM rate: 3.125 %
is a variant of the first deck with Perma Controls(PC), I used to use, for newbies Aether is the best, go take a look at bronze, silver and half of gold, all of them use aether because is stable, the deck I just posted is one of the highest win/rates I have.
If you have shards or at least 8 quantum towers and 6 supernovas I can give you better ones.
GL.
Post by: Mental Midget on July 26, 2012, 10:56:27 am
This is the actual stats with the antimatter deck you posted,
Player
Wins: 57
Winrate: 57 %
Average TTW: 13.228070175438596
EMs: 17
EM rate: 29.82456140350877 %
Computer
Wins: 43
Winrate: 43 %
Average TTW: 13.255813953488373
EMs: 1
EM rate: 2.3255813953488373 %
yea i know i got those 90% of 20 games and that was about 10 clicks to get that, as i said wishthinking :)
Aether/darkness deck looks pretty solid tho i think it could be pretty usefull surely have to test it out :)
Post by: frimax on July 26, 2012, 11:22:33 am
Please do man, I know it works because the Upgraded version is almost unbeatable VS HB, its cool in the arena too, but better to get an upgraded rainbow up there, because it gets pretty tough some times.
Post by: OdinVanguard on August 03, 2012, 08:46:27 pm