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Opponents, Strategy and Decks => Half Bloods => Topic started by: Glitch on September 14, 2010, 11:45:18 pm
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Let's face it, the AI5 is probably the least balanced thing in elements. For supposedly being an inbetween between AI3 and false gods, the half bloods are largely ignored. So this contest is to fix that. Design a half-blood deck that is the correct difficulty, and an appropriate reward for beating it, and I'll love you forever. Triple mark, double draw, double health, and any amount of upgraded cards are allowed but not mandatory. I don't care how the deck is designed so long as it's a better AI5 than the stuff we have now.
Deck rules:
The deck must be more difficult than traditional AI3
The deck must be less difficult than traditional False gods
The reward for grinding the deck must be more than the reward for beating traditional AI3.
The reward for grinding the deck must be less than the reward for beating traditional AI5.
To enter:
Post your AI5 deck. Make sure you list any cool features like double life, double draw, or triple mark, or mention if it doesn't have any. Also submit your deck code with any and all upgrades already upgraded.
Post the reward for beating your Ai5 deck. This includes cost to play, reward if beaten, and spins.
At the end of the contest, we'll vote on the best ones, depending largely on how many were submitted. The "best" decks being the ones that are closest to the middle of the difficult/reward gap between Ai6 and Ai3. No more than a fourth of the entrants will win. Did I mention I'd love the winners forever? :P What are you waiting for? GOGOGO!!!
Contestants:
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Blanks are 6x Forest Scorpions (Unupped) and 5x Water pendulums (Upped)
150 life. Price, reward, and spins as is.
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1st ???'s = 4 unupped darkness pendulums
2nd ???'s = 6 upped voodoo dolls
2x Mark, 200 hp, single draw. Cost = 20 electrum. Winnings = 40 + %HP x 40 +[ 30 - (# turns/2)]
So I win in 16 turns with 50 hp. I get 40 + 20 + 22 = 82 electrum.
Minimum winnings = 41 electrum
Maximum winnings (assuming 10 turn win is possible) = 105 electrum
No others! D=
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This deck is well made so 3x mark 1x deck 1x draw and 100 health.
25 E to fight. 15 E for a win 30 for EM.
High chance to win a card so you lose E even if you win. (unless EM)
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8 non-upped :death Pendulums
3 upped Deathstalkers
8 upped :death Pendulums
3x Mark, 200 hp, Double Draw.
Cost = 20 electrum. Winnings = 40 + %HP x 40 +[ 30 - (# turns/2)]
So I win in 16 turns with 50 hp. I get 40 + 20 + 22 = 82 electrum.
Normal win rate in spins, but 25-50% of the time it being an upped card.
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resreved
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I bet you all can guess which deck I'll be making. :)
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Here's one attempt...
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Blanks are 6x Forest Scorpions (Unupped) and 5x Water pendulums (Upped)
The idea would be sort of similar to the FG Elidnis, but a lot simpler and poison-oriented. All the Life cards can be played off of one turn of the mark, but the Pendulums are to help bad hands even out.
I may have made this a bit too good, but it does have a nice 32% upgraded cards in the deck, and most cards show up in stacks of 4-6, making it more likely to win one.
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Here's one attempt...
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Blanks are 6x Forest Scorpions (Unupped) and 5x Water pendulums (Upped)
The idea would be sort of similar to the FG Elidnis, but a lot simpler and poison-oriented. All the Life cards can be played off of one turn of the mark, but the Pendulums are to help bad hands even out.
I may have made this a bit too good, but it does have a nice 32% upgraded cards in the deck, and most cards show up in stacks of 4-6, making it more likely to win one.
What is the cost to play and reward for winning? Also: Double life? Triple mark? Double Draw?
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Here's one attempt...
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Blanks are 6x Forest Scorpions (Unupped) and 5x Water pendulums (Upped)
The idea would be sort of similar to the FG Elidnis, but a lot simpler and poison-oriented. All the Life cards can be played off of one turn of the mark, but the Pendulums are to help bad hands even out.
I may have made this a bit too good, but it does have a nice 32% upgraded cards in the deck, and most cards show up in stacks of 4-6, making it more likely to win one.
What is the cost to play and reward for winning? Also: Double life? Triple mark? Double Draw?
In my opinion, the cost for playing AI5 is fine, as are the electrum rewards and everything else. The only thing I'd change is the 200 life, it makes it much too difficult to farm effectively. (It'd be 150 probably, or just plain 100)
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Reserved
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Umm I designed this deck but I don't know how you are supposed to test it.
I am thinking 2x Mark, 200 hp, single draw. Cost = 20 electrum. Winnings = 40 + %HP x 40 +[ 30 - (# turns/2)]
So I win in 16 turns with 50 hp. I get 40 + 20 + 22 = 82 electrum.
Minimum winnings = 41 electrum
Maximum winnings (assuming 10 turn win is possible) = 105 electrum (assuming max hp=100)
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1st ???'s = 4 unupped darkness pendulums
2nd ???'s = 6 upped voodoo dolls
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Reserved for a really brilliant deck.
(not really ???)
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Alright here it is. ?? is entropy pendulum
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This deck is well made so 3x mark 1x deck 1x draw and 100 health.
25 E to fight. 15 E for a win 30 for EM.
High chance to win a card so you lose E even if you win. (unless EM)
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It appears as though current deck construction rules for AI Level 5 aren't being used. Is this intended?
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It appears as though current deck construction rules for AI Level 5 aren't being used. Is this intended?
Yes. The only requirements are appropriate difficulty and reward.
Reserved for a really brilliant deck.
(not really ???)
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Alright here it is. ?? is entropy pendulum
Please post the cost/reward for beating this deck. Also: Mark x 3? Draw x 2? Life x 2?
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It appears as though current deck construction rules for AI Level 5 aren't being used. Is this intended?
What are the actual rules?
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Deck rules:
The deck must be more difficult than traditional AI3
The deck must be less difficult than traditional False gods
The reward for grinding the deck must be more than the reward for beating traditional AI3.
The reward for grinding the deck must be less than the reward for beating traditional AI5.
To enter:
Post your AI5 deck. Make sure you list any cool features like double life, double draw, or triple mark, or mention if it doesn't have any. Also submit your deck code with any and all upgrades already upgraded.
Post the reward for beating your Ai5 deck. This includes cost to play, reward if beaten, and spins.
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Name: Giftiger Vampir
3x Mark, 200 hp, Double Draw.
Cost = 20 electrum. Winnings = 40 + %HP x 40 +[ 30 - (# turns/2)]
So I win in 16 turns with 50 hp. I get 40 + 20 + 22 = 82 electrum.
Normal win rate in spins, but 25-50% of the time it being an upped card.
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8 non-upped :death Pendulums
3 upped Deathstalkers
8 upped :death Pendulums
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Name: The X5 - The nuke in MacGruber
100 card HB deck!
3x Mark, 200 hp, Double Draw.
Cost = 20 electrum. Winnings = 40 + %HP x 40 +[ 30 - (# turns/2)]
So I win in 16 turns with 50 hp. I get 40 + 20 + 22 = 82 electrum.
Normal win rate in spins, but 25-50% of the time it being an upped card.
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Deck rules:
The deck must be more difficult than traditional AI3
The deck must be less difficult than traditional False gods
The reward for grinding the deck must be more than the reward for beating traditional AI3.
The reward for grinding the deck must be less than the reward for beating traditional AI5.
To enter:
Post your AI5 deck. Make sure you list any cool features like double life, double draw, or triple mark, or mention if it doesn't have any. Also submit your deck code with any and all upgrades already upgraded.
Post the reward for beating your Ai5 deck. This includes cost to play, reward if beaten, and spins.
I meant the actual AI5 rules.
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^ Pretty sure its a 60 card deck randomly put together with pillars, and pendulums of the element that isnt the mark, then quantum pillars, and a bunch of random cards from the two elements used
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Name: Vishnu Purana
3x Mark, 200 hp, Double Draw.
Cost = 20 electrum. Winnings = 40 + %HP x 40 +[ 30 - (# turns/2)]
So I win in 16 turns with 50 hp. I get 40 + 20 + 22 = 82 electrum.
Normal win rate in spins, but 25-50% of the time it being an upped card.
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It appears as though current deck construction rules for AI Level 5 aren't being used. Is this intended?
Yes. The only requirements are appropriate difficulty and reward.
Reserved for a really brilliant deck.
(not really ???)
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Alright here it is. ?? is entropy pendulum
Please post the cost/reward for beating this deck. Also: Mark x 3? Draw x 2? Life x 2?
The cost will be 20 electrums. Winning is 30 electrums and EM is 60. Since it has all upped cards, it won't have the annoying upgrade and non upped matching up ^_^. It'll have 2x Draw and 2x Life.
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3x Mark, 200 hp, Double Draw.
Cost = 20 electrum. Winnings = 40 + %HP x 40 +[ 30 - (# turns/2)]
So I win in 16 turns with 50 hp. I get 40 + 20 + 22 = 82 electrum.
Normal win rate in spins, but 25-50% of the time it being an upped card.
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Funny you were able to make this deck using the deck generator. I am pretty sure the 20 supernovas broke the 6 card limit though haha.
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3x Mark, 200 hp, Double Draw.
Cost = 20 electrum. Winnings = 40 + %HP x 40 +[ 30 - (# turns/2)]
So I win in 16 turns with 50 hp. I get 40 + 20 + 22 = 82 electrum.
Normal win rate in spins, but 25-50% of the time it being an upped card.
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Funny you were able to make this deck using the deck generator. I am pretty sure the 20 supernovas broke the 6 card limit though haha.
The trainer wouldn't let me, so I just added the 14 extra 6u3 (Supernova) into the deck image. Maybe you said the same thing, I don't know what a deck generator is :)
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Name: Uragequite
3x Mark, 200 hp, Double Draw.
Cost = 20 electrum. Winnings = 40 + %HP x 40 +[ 30 - (# turns/2)]
So I win in 16 turns with 50 hp. I get 40 + 20 + 22 = 82 electrum.
Normal win rate in spins, but 25-50% of the time it being an upped card.
Mine:
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2x Mark. 100 Life. 1x draw.
Rewards as it is now (3 spins).
ALL upgraded cards. (main source of reward)
Optimized, strong decks. (Unlike FG decks which are pretty unoptimized)
(No, I won't post decklists. There is no point. We'd need at least 20-30 of them anyway, and it's better to start making them AFTER it has been decided how many draws/marks etc, not before. Draws and Marks are a primary factor in designing the decks, and I assume all HB will have the same amount after they get changed...if they'll get changed at all.)
In short, no advantage for HB except +1 mark, but stronger decks than what an average FG has.
Yes, that'd make the AI 5 both easier and more rewarding than it is now. Which is a good thing. It'd make HB the main source of farming (which they should be, being the highest AI level intended for farming) to replace false gods (which are intended to be a challenge and not a farming target, but they are because everything else gives too low rewards)
False god rewards should be somehow increased, or at least changed. HB should be the main source of electum/upgraded cards in the game, and FG should be reserved as a challenge.
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2x Mark. 100 Life. 1x draw.
Rewards as it is now (3 spins).
ALL upgraded cards. (main source of reward)
Optimized, strong decks. (Unlike FG decks which are pretty unoptimized)
(No, I won't post decklists. There is no point. We'd need at least 20-30 of them anyway, and it's better to start making them AFTER it has been decided how many draws/marks etc, not before. Draws and Marks are a primary factor in designing the decks, and I assume all HB will have the same amount after they get changed...if they'll get changed at all.)
In short, no advantage for HB except +1 mark, but stronger decks than what an average FG has.
Yes, that'd make the AI 5 both easier and more rewarding than it is now. Which is a good thing. It'd make HB the main source of farming (which they should be, being the highest AI level intended for farming) to replace false gods (which are intended to be a challenge and not a farming target, but they are because everything else gives too low rewards)
False god rewards should be somehow increased, or at least changed. HB should be the main source of electum/upgraded cards in the game, and FG should be reserved as a challenge.
I agree and disagree.
I think it would be best if Half Bloods were the fastest source of electrum but false gods were the best source for winning upgraded cards. I already proposed one way to increase the electrum reward (based on turns to win).
Another idea I just had was to somehow multiply the reward based on the opponent's mark. So if the opponent has say 2x mark, then you get +20% electrum to your final, or if it was 3x you get + 30% electrum...
I have beat every false god and I ONLY play them for the farming, not for the challenge. Sure I lose a lot but if I want a challenge PVP is the place to go. If False gods were just for the challenege, I wouldn't play them ever again because it is already a tad boring as it stands. Better to hone my PVP skills or test decks in PVP.
People don't play HBs because they are slow with a relatively meager reward. I don't want a situation where we just switch which PVE is the one no one ever plays...
So I agree HBs should be more farmable but I disagree FGs should be "just a challenge".
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2x Mark. 100 Life. 1x draw.
Rewards as it is now (3 spins).
ALL upgraded cards. (main source of reward)
Optimized, strong decks. (Unlike FG decks which are pretty unoptimized)
(No, I won't post decklists. There is no point. We'd need at least 20-30 of them anyway, and it's better to start making them AFTER it has been decided how many draws/marks etc, not before. Draws and Marks are a primary factor in designing the decks, and I assume all HB will have the same amount after they get changed...if they'll get changed at all.)
In short, no advantage for HB except +1 mark, but stronger decks than what an average FG has.
Yes, that'd make the AI 5 both easier and more rewarding than it is now. Which is a good thing. It'd make HB the main source of farming (which they should be, being the highest AI level intended for farming) to replace false gods (which are intended to be a challenge and not a farming target, but they are because everything else gives too low rewards)
False god rewards should be somehow increased, or at least changed. HB should be the main source of electum/upgraded cards in the game, and FG should be reserved as a challenge.
^^
I read the OP and planned to post this very exact thing. All upped, 100 life, strong decks! They have to have some advantage over T50; I'd probably give them double draw. Just upping mark by 1-2 is not THAT big difference considering these can award you with upped cards.
Overall, they would be harder that current HBs, but with better rewards.
Really, there is not much point in designing specific decks until deck rules/rewards are accepted by Zanzarino. If that happens, making strong, solid decks wouldnt be much of a problem anyway. Community can do that in a week practically.
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Then are you saying this contest (if it's resurrected) should have two categories, one for best reward system, and one for best deck?
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I know the contest may not be on any longer, but I wanted to share this anyway.
2x Mark
150 Health
2x Deck
Draws 2 cards unless their hand has 5 or more cards, if their cards left drops below 10, or if they have less cards than their opponent.
Same slots, 3x Spins. Upped cards stay upped in spins.
Same electrum reward.
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Thank you for your time.