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I played about 200 games vs T50 and not a single card.... even AI3 is kinder than that lolReally? That doesn't seem right at all. In my last 185 games i've won 78 cards (156 victories) and i can't believe the disparity would be that big.
If I do L3's, I have to win over 750 games to upgrade one card. Getting 30 upgraded cards therefore requires 15000 games won. I suppose you don't need 30, but less than 20 is probably a waste of time and electrum.If you follow ScaredGirls unupgraded FG farmer you really only need 7 upgraded cards which is manageable. Then you have the enviable task of farming FG's which can be a pain in itself but that's the way to make real money.
There are two main problems with playing T50 decks with unupgraded cards, as I see it:All valid points. A lot of the T50 decks especially the life ones are really tough to beat even for upgraded decks. Mainly because the life deck limits the AI from making mistakes which it will make with rainbow and earth decks. Although i'm sure an aether deck should be able to handle those life decks if you are so inclined.
Meh. I guess this was a good game if you got in on the ground floor. I'm not sure I'm up for winning 25000 level 3 games at this point.It's really not as hard as you're making it but you will need to grind. We all did a certain amount of grinding and the early pioneers had it a bit easier but there is a lot more information and help around now. Although i guess the unupped T50 help has been more of a detriment. But the info for AI3-5 grinding and FG farming is pretty solid.
I tested out unupgraded poison as you list above with the 2x Plague (note Improved Plague is a rare card so it wouldn't be a good suggestion for a deck not requiring any rare cards.I'm thinking you made a mistake with that statement. If not just so you know improved plague is not a rare card. It's just an upgraded plague.
I have faced 13 out of 19 of the gods at least 8 times. Only 9 of 19 have I faced 10 times. For some reason I keep getting Fire Queen pairings (25 games out of 200 at 76%). In other words, 200 games is still not enough to remove relevant statistical skewing, but I am getting closer. At this rate it will take me 400 games just to get 10 matches against Hermes.I'm pretty much in the same boat as you. Getting 10 games from each FG will probably take at least 400 games for me as well (i've played 195). I have Paradox, Elidinis, and Dark Matter at 4 games and Incarnate and Ferox at 6. Ironically as soon as i changed up decks (needed a break) in 13 games i saw Incarnate 3 times. Figures.
Ouch!
Looking at your 150 game stats, part of it certainly is bad luck. Look at your top 4 opponents (Scorpio, Morte, Seism, Rainbow) compared to me pulling Fire Queen 19 times (just keeps coming up). Also, you have too small a sample size against some of the easier ones. You can easily get 2 more Ferox wins, 2 more Elidnis wins, 2 more Paradox wins, and your normalized rate will go up about 5 or 6 points probably. Paradox certainly should normalize at 85-90% or even higher. Ferox you should be able to land 70% at least.
Yet another possible factor is in play style. I did a poor job of expounding on strategy for each FG, and as I said in the initial writeup, this is a very difficult deck to play well. And example would be the CL strategy I put in a later post. If you were not holding your Pulvy and playing with a PA, I could easily see how your win rate would be lower.I do make mistakes but one i make sure i don't make is to ever play CL unprotected unless i have to. My losses against him seem to be because of my standard way of losing to him. I do love to read about strategy's though and i keep up PuppyChow's excellent writeup in a different tab and frequent yours for tips and reminders as well. Chaos Lord is one of the few that i've been able to handle better along with Octane and Graviton.
Perhaps there are other small little nuances in play that I have picked up on. It comes down to knowing the FGs behavior down to the smallest detail. This deck does live on the edge and I do have to leverage very small factoids I have picked up. For instance, on Gemini, some may now know that keeping his massive dragons frozen will prevent him from duplicating them (not because he can't, because his script won't).It is interesting you would say that Vreely because on multiple times i have had Gemini duplicate his frozen dragons. It is always late game when he does do this though. If he does do it when the dragon is frozen it's when he has 5-6 TU's and i believe it's when they are momentumed as well. This has happened to me twice when i did not have my druid out to mutate them down to size. It's not too big of a deal though since they will all still be frozen but it is in the script to duplicate them, at some point anyhow.
Finally, even over 150 games, I still think my normalized win rate is a bit inflated. In no possible way should I be pulling 62% with Seism. I don't know what unholy pact I made to have pulled my single PA in my first 14 cards in 6 out of 13 games. Then in another 2 games where I didn't get the PA until card 25 or so Seism just happened to not have a quicksand? I fully admit that my win rate on Seism should be closer to 0.40 rather than the 0.62 it shows now. Also, I have only faced Morte 3 times in 150 games. I picked up 2 out of 3 against him, but over 10 games or so I would guess it will be more like 40-50%.Well this does make me feel a little better. Perhaps i really am just getting a bit unlucky. I've pulled my PA twice in my first 10 cards and the one time i had it protected my first turn he had 3 shriekers and a basalt dragon by turn 3 and threw out another one on turn 4. I think elements hates me right now. I am by no means blaming it all on bad luck and matchups though. I am leaning towards your theory on the extra card making that minute hard to quantify difference. It's just really tough to seperate out which is which. Yesterday it just seemed that everything was working against me. Anyways i'll restart again later and hopefully things will even out.
Just wondering Scaredgirl, what is your percentage tested against ALL the gods including the "new" ones ( Octane, Obliterator, Dark Matter, etc.)?I know you asked her... but I hope my experience helps... Obviously it all depends on the god, here are my thoughts on each one I've fought:
Chaos Lord: Medium dificulty, win most battles.Kind of a mixed bag depending on his mutations but yeah i would consider him a medium FG. Don't forget he has some steals in his deck
Dark Matter: Hard Don't remember ever beating him, his black holes are just to much for our pillars... need more quantum with this one. Terrible FG for a rainbow, you won't win many against him
Destiny: Don't recall fighting this one yet. One of the easiest if not the easiest FG. Has rewinds and Eternity so be aggressive with your draws since he will always rewind you back.
Divine Glory: Impossible to beat IMO with this deck... his swords and control cards are hard...Not impossible just very improbable. What makes him harder is all the miracles he packs. Pretty much need him to only draw 3 Glory's all game or manage to build up your bone wall and constantly feed it.
Elidnis: Easy, has some congeals but I've never lost to him. Not too tough but has a lot of creatures and if he quints a forest spectre round 1 or 2 the going can get tough. Also late game he will have a ton of bonds
Ferox: The easiest of all in my opinion. Never lost to him and dont see how he could winAn easy FG that has no control but he can rush pretty quick so if you don't get any quick shielding this game can end quickly.
Firefly Queen: Easy God but can beat you. If you get a bad draw you could end up getting beaten, other than that, I've won most fights..Pretty much agree with this assessment. Also watch out for his fire lance. Watch your HP and how much fire quanta he has
Gemini: Haven't fought him. An easy FG but will get out momentumed phase spiders and dragons which can be a pain. He does pack 6-7 TU's though so be careful mutating your creatures and try to get rid of the dragons ASAP. Having 6-7 dragons on the table is not fun
Graviton: Haven't foiught him. Very tough. You need to find your rain of fire moderately early. Even if you get your Oty out early quinted he can't eat anything. Also has Gravity pull so you have to quint him. One way around it is if you have your Eternity out and a sundial you can throw out your FQ and your Oty. The FG will target your FQ and unload all his gravity pulls on him. With your sundial out the FQ won't die and you can rewind her next turn. Just try to get your Oty quinted ASAP because he will eventually find more
Hermes: Won once, lucky draw vs unlucky draw of him and bad AI, but other than that a really hard god. Hard FG. Pretty much need an early quinted oty. Sometimes you can get lucky and all he plays are fire spectres for a while so you can get your oty out later. With him WATCH his fire quanta. You can think the game is won but he can nuke you and kill you in one turn. He can throw 6 fire lances at you at once and if he has over 60 Fire quanta adios.
Incarnate: Easy, but only fought him once. Easy FG, has very limited creature control, lots of boneyards but you should be able to handle him with your bonewall and fire shield.
Miracle: Long but easy battle, only lost once due to bad draw. One of the easier FG's. Sometimes will get too many dragons out really early to stop though
Morte: Medium difficulty but beatable... Medium FG but can be a pain. He seems to always draw an early Arsenic vs me for some reason. Also has a bunch of plagues and 4 boneyards.
Obliterator: Impossible in my opinion although I've read you can beat him with this deck somewhere in the forums...Tough FG. Gotta steal his Pulvy. If you don't and his Pulvy is out and stays out you're finished
Paradox: Haven't played him much but beat him twice.. (i think) Pretty easy FG. Has no control at all. Rain of fire and bonewall will eat him up. Although he sometimes will get out of control early and you will find yourself against a Ray of light or Deja Vu at 11/11 TU'd 4-5 times within the first 7-8 rounds.
Rainbow: Hard MoFo, unbeatable in my opinion. Not unbeatable but really need to get lucky. Easier then Dark Matter and Divine Glory but that's not saying much
Scorpio: Dont remember this guy. I consider him a medium FG now BUT with my old deck that was similar to this one he was really hard. Has lots of poison and will throw out puffer fish, phsylia's and ulithirads. This deck doesn't have too much shielding so i'm guessing this would be a very tough FG. Also has an arsenic so pray it doesn't come out early
Seism: Hard, need more quantum, I've lasted long battles with him and I know it can be beat but you need a lot of luck and play your pillars one buy one due to his control cards...Hard FG but at least he can't use his Pulvy. Steal his Diamond Shield if you can
Octane: with this deck i would consider this an almost impossible win. His gases and his eagle eyes will kill you in short order.
So, other than the gods I consider unbeatable with this deck you have I would say a 75-90% chance of beating the easy/medium gods, depending on your strategy and draws. I think your estimates are a bit high here. I by no means am a good player but i've played many FG games and have tracked most of them and i run a fully upped deck.
