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Duo-Decks / Re: Pestal 101
« on: March 24, 2012, 10:53:14 am »
lol, sometimes you have to hold 1-2 devourers if you're running out of open slots so you can play more vamps

also i have lightninged my own devourer before to make room for another minor vampire.  if you are gonna attack them at least 3 more times then getting that vamp down is worth more than the 5 damage you give up.

oh yeah, i've been trying it -1 pendulum, +1 steal but so far i just keep cursing and wishing it was another pendulum.  i'm gonna keep it for a few more games probably just to make sure.

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Deck Help / Re: thinking of toying with a non-upped dark fractal deck
« on: March 22, 2012, 01:31:45 am »
If you are still interested, I made a post about this in Duo decks today:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,28504.msg504808#msg504808

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Darkness / Re: Favorite Darkness card?
« on: March 22, 2012, 01:22:23 am »
Devourer because OM NOM NOM

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Duo-Decks / Re: Pestal 101
« on: March 21, 2012, 03:03:46 pm »
Good to hear!  I appreciate how quickly it's gotten me to 10k gold...Supernovas and Silurian Dragon, here we come! :D

That's a good question.  If I were to make a change, it would probably be to find room for 1 more Steal.  It might be nice to be able to blow one early on quanta denial, knowing that I always have another I can draw in case they play a shield.  But I wouldn't cut a Devourer because drawing multiples early is just too good.  I had only 2 Minor Vampires for a long time so you could cut one of those or a Lightning if you want to try something else.

bragedit: 17-3 in pvp1 today *yawn*

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Duo-Decks / Re: Pestal 101
« on: March 21, 2012, 01:19:27 pm »
I just started playing Elements last week and I've spent most of my time in PVP1 polishing this up so I wanted to share what I've made.  Why should/shouldn't you play this?  Glad you asked.

Pros:
-Decent win %, over 60% if you play according to the tips below
-Good % of wins are EM because you spam Vamps
-Especially good vs Mono or Duo decks because they have more problems with Devs
-Cheap to build but can beat anything in PVP1 without needing shards or weapons

Cons:
-Games take longer than mono aggro
-Struggles to deny quanta vs Nova/Immolation/Quantum Pillar
-Folds to certain combos like Titanium Shield+Enchant Artifact, can lose to Nightmare or Aflatoxin
-Requires some math and knowing when you should/shouldn't play around sweepers, removal, shields
-Not fun to play against according to my opponents

And now the moment you've all been waiting for:
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"Why are you playing _____?"
-14 Dark Pendulums and Mark of Aether: the Pendulums let you cast turn 2 Devourer, which is very important when you have multiples.  You will sometimes get free wins from being on the play and choking their quanta off with Devourers.  If I were to add a pillar it would be Aether (but I don't suggest it).
-2 Lightning: I wanted a few cards to slow my opponent down or deal with cards that are hard for me to beat.  To that end I have 2 Lightnings and 1 Steal.  Lightning seems to be the most efficient CC card in the game and let you kill Otys, Dragons, Fire Golems, and other things that would give you headaches otherwise.  Steal obviously has a million uses--I've taken shields, Quantum Pillars, and weapons to good effect.  You only have one though, so don't throw it away by taking something you could have beaten anyway.

"Why aren't you playing _____?"
-Drain Life: I've found that Lightning is better because it's cheaper and more versatile.  You often have 2 extra Aether quanta on the turn you want to Fractal anyway, while I really hate using Darkness quanta on anything other than Devourers until I have several of them out.
-Shields: I tried Dimensional Shield and Dusk Mantle but they weren't as useful as often as the Lightnings and Steal.  Occasionally clutch, but often dead.
-More Fractals or Minor Vampires: Drawing too many Fractals early sucks.  It may not be fun to have to sit there and draw off the top for 5 turns after you use your first Fractal on Devourers, but you can usually afford to do so.  I don't like to play Vampires out until I'm ready to Fractal them so 3 is enough.
-1 Black Dragon: Helps against stuff like Titanium Shield but Steal does a better job of that.
-Nightfall: It can keep you from decking, but it doesn't slow them down or help you combo out so it can be a bad draw a lot of times.  Also would make the deck vulnerable to permanent control which you don't care one bit about right now.
-Stiletto: really good when drawn early but too poor when drawn late.

Play tips:
-Don't play any black cards until you Fractal your Devourers, unless you really have to.  You almost always end up better in the long run if you hold your Minor Vampires and bide your time until you either are ready to Fractal them or have them quantalocked.
-If you only have one Devourer and are playing against a deck with CC, you probably want to hold it until you are ready to Fractal.  It's a tough decision, and the dark quanta will help if it doesn't die.  But it's really bad if they kill it and you don't have anything to Fractal as a result, when you could have done without the 2-4 extra quanta it would have generated.
-vs Mono/Duo: If you're on the play and have 2+ Pendulums and multiple Devourers, you're probably going to win easily.
-vs Rainbow: You probably aren't going to deny all their quanta but that doesn't make Devourers useless.  You probably still want to Fractal them first so you have enough Darkness quanta to operate, but you don't mind doing it with more cards in hand because you don't need as many Devs in that case.  Sometimes they'll draw few quanta sources and get locked anyway.
-vs sweepers: If they could have Pandemonium or Rain of Fire, usually hold 1 Minor Vampire after you Fractal them so you can reload off another Fractal if they wipe you.  If you have their quanta locked obviously it doesn't matter.
-You have to make sure you can kill them before you deck yourself.  Sometimes you'll lose games due to having 3 Fractals or all your Minor Vampires at the bottom, it's part of the game.  A new battle is only a click away so don't despair.

Devtal isn't dead!  I've played hundreds of games with this exact build and I think it's the best version there is.  Give it a whirl and let me know how it treats you.

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Are there no minds able to create a descent unupped silver farmer!?!?!?
http://www.dtwins.plus.com/hornofgondor/images_display/boromir/boromir22_b.jpg
one does not simply...
create a decent silver farmer.
link's broken for me.

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Competitions / Re: Post your Competition ideas here!
« on: March 19, 2012, 02:08:07 pm »
I just started playing Elements this week but I've been playing MTG forever and I would LOVE to do a draft or booster draft.  So somebody should run another one of those!

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Duo-Decks / Re: Darkness/Fractal deck
« on: March 18, 2012, 06:07:09 pm »
Actually, I read the whole "read this before posting" post.  Did you?
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This is a good opportunity to assess whether your post really adds value.  However, replying in old posts is explicitly allowed in the Mono-decks, Duo- decks, Trio- and Quartet- decks, and Rainbow decks sections.  Posting your thoughts/deck version/experiences in the outdated thread is much preferred over creating a separate thread.
Furthermore, I explained that I don't like Aether pillars because they don't let you play a turn 2 Devourer, which makes the deck run much, much smoother overall.  Give my version a try, I dare you.
Better thread to have done this in:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,28504.0.html
The pestal/devtal build certainly isn't new. Anyways, I applaud that you came up with it on your own, but I'd agree that the dimensional shield is useless with only 1- dusk mantle works much better here. Why not try a mix of pendulums and pillars? You can still get the turn one devourer, anyways.
Oh ok, my bad on the location.  I know the archetype isn't new but I'm a noob so it's all new to me. :) I tried the Aether Mark, then a few mixes of pendulums and pillars, and this was the configuration I liked the best.  1-2 Aether pillars wasn't horrible, but seemed a bit worse.  I don't think I'd run the shield in PVP as it doesn't improve your win percentage more than other things you could run there.  It's totally a win-more card, but you can hold it until just the right time to secure EM.  Drain Life does the same thing but doesn't steal games as often.

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Duo-Decks / Re: Darkness/Fractal deck
« on: March 18, 2012, 05:47:00 pm »
Actually, I read the whole "read this before posting" post.  Did you?
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If you hit reply on an older thread you receive the following message:
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    Warning: this topic has not been posted in for at least 60 days.
    Unless you're sure you want to reply, please consider starting a new topic.
This is a good opportunity to assess whether your post really adds value.  However, replying in old posts is explicitly allowed in the Mono-decks, Duo- decks, Trio- and Quartet- decks, and Rainbow decks sections.  Posting your thoughts/deck version/experiences in the outdated thread is much preferred over creating a separate thread.
Furthermore, I explained that I don't like Aether pillars because they don't let you play a turn 2 Devourer, which makes the deck run much, much smoother overall.  Give my version a try, I dare you.

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Duo-Decks / Re: Darkness/Fractal deck
« on: March 18, 2012, 05:24:57 pm »
This is my unupped version I've been using against the AI3s.

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It's been working quite well.  You can usually lock them out by using Fractal on Devourers before they do anything too scary.  Then it's only a matter of time before you Fractal the Vampires and that's that.  I get a lot of Elemental Mastery wins with this deck.  It doesn't stand a chance vs AI4s though and has trouble with rainbows in general.  I didn't like Drain Life quite enough although I've taken 1-2 in and out several times.  Drain and Dusk Mantle weren't as useful overall as the one Dimensional Shift.  Maybe I should put my Stiletto in but anything I'd cut would make the combo less consistent.

I think it's important to play a turn 2 Devourer because if you can then you'll almost always have plenty of Darkness quanta by the time you're ready to Fractal.  That is why I play all Dark Pendulums.  I like my Pillarbase more than the other lists I've seen.

This is the optimal music to listen to while playing this deck:


Enjoy!

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